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Mexico pissed at american border "tightening"

Unbelievable. Mexico is pissed that the US intends to enforce it's immigration laws. Hello? Jeez.....

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Mexico furious at tough US law on migrants
By John Authers in Mexico City and Edward Alden in Washington
Published: May 13 2005 19:27 | Last updated: May 13 2005 19:27

Mexico has reacted furiously to a bill signed into law by the US this week that would fund a border wall and prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US driving licences.

President Vicente Fox said he would lodge a diplomatic complaint, and was considering complaints to multilateral bodies if Mexico could not unable to resolve the problem bilaterally.

In the US, leaders of the Mexican community threatened to strike to send a message to US employers that they could not survive without cheap Mexican labour.

Santiago Creel, Mexico's interior secretary, said the “Real ID” law was “negative, inconvenient, and obstructionist”.

“Building walls doesn't help anyone build a good neighbourhood,” he said. “Taking away the possibility of obtaining driving licences for people who are working in legal jobs, who pay their taxes there, who send remittances home here, seems to us to be an extreme measure, particularly given the new understanding that we thought we had after the re-election of President Bush.”

Andrés Manuel López Obrador, mayor of Mexico City, supported Mr Fox's stance. He said the problem of growing immigration could be “resolved by encouraging development in Mexico and Central America, not by building walls and using the border control”.

Since 2002, Mexico has adopted a popular policy of issuing undocumented labourers with consular identity cards, which are accepted as proof of identity by many US states for issuing driving licences, and for opening bank accounts. Under the new law, this would no longer be possible. The immigration provisions approved by Congress were attached by House Republicans to a bill that will provide more than $80bn for the war in Iraq this year, giving lawmakers little choice but to support it.

The White House, which at first opposed the new restrictions, supported them when it became clear they would pass Congress in spite of administration opposition.

President George W. Bush has said he wants to deal with illegal immigration by creating a temporary guest worker programme. But many Republicans are using the anxiety about terrorism to push for a crackdown on illegal immigrants.
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I'm gonna write pres. Fox an email, that he can shove it up his rear, like he likes his burrito. Those sorry sobs need to stay down there, working like slaves making us cheap manufacturing goods.
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What the fuck are you racist or what Most of the people who do work in the US are immagrants
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Show me where, you get the stupid idea, that most people who work in the US, legally or other wise are immigrants?
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Let'em come over if they want to work hard and try and have a better life. I don't see anything wrong with that. But on the other hand, well..don't get me started.
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Let'em come over if they want to work hard and try and have a better life. I don't see anything wrong with that. But on the other hand, well..don't get me started.
They can come over. There is a legal process to it.
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Show me where, you get the stupid idea, that most people who work in the US, legally or other wise are immigrants?
Ok maybe not all are immagrants but if you go out to a construction site and look around, what race are you going to see And why are you acting like that you live in the northside area of fort worth just like i do, and you know that most of your neighbors are mexicans/immagrants
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True and I'm all for that.
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And why are you acting like that you live in the northside area of fort worth just like i do, and you know that most of your neighbors are mexicans/immagrants
Most of the people in my nieghborhood are not mexican desendants. Why must you keep talking in generalities? Why are you against following the rule of law?
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People that wade or swim over are not immigrants. They are illegal aliens breaking the laws of the United States. Let them stand in line and come over legally.
Oh and while they build that wall onb the border we should stock the Rio Grande with phiranas.

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People that wade or swim over are not immigrants. They are illegal aliens breaking the laws of the United States. Let them stand in line and come over legally.
Oh and while they build that wall onb the border we should stock the Rio Grande with phiranas.
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Piranhas live in rivers.

Anyway, turbosvo, you must not have a problem with slavery. Because your Mexican homebuilders are exactly that, slaves. They are given just enough money to barely scrape by, will never receive an education in order to get a higher-paying skilled job, and are being exploited by rich white people.

I guess you don't have a problem with that? As an American, I do. Because I don't like paying for all the services that the illegal Mexicans are taking advantage of. I don't like the higher insurance premiums I'm paying because Texas has an inordinate number of cars that are uninsured because they're driven by people that CAN'T LEGALLY acquire insurance. And the people that I know that work on construction sites can't make enough money to live off because employers are hiring $2/hr illegal fucking Mexicans.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if they're trying to make a better life for themselves by being a leach on our country. What they need to do is head back home and make Mexico a great country.
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Anyway, turbosvo, you must not have a problem with slavery. Because your Mexican homebuilders are exactly that, slaves. They are given just enough money to barely scrape by, will never receive an education in order to get a higher-paying skilled job, and are being exploited by rich white people.

I guess you don't have a problem with that? As an American, I do. Because I don't like paying for all the services that the illegal Mexicans are taking advantage of. I don't like the higher insurance premiums I'm paying because Texas has an inordinate number of cars that are uninsured because they're driven by people that CAN'T LEGALLY acquire insurance. And the people that I know that work on construction sites can't make enough money to live off because employers are hiring $2/hr illegal fucking Mexicans.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if they're trying to make a better life for themselves by being a leach on our country. What they need to do is head back home and make Mexico a great country.
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[QUOTE=Danny]Piranhas live in rivers.

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Well the Amazon River is a...ummmm..river....lol It's freshwater and so are all the tributaries.
Phirana have been caught in local lakes....ie...Lewisville and Ray Hubbard

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Frankly, I don't give a fuck if they're trying to make a better life for themselves by being a leach on our country. What they need to do is head back home and make Mexico a great country.
Some people call the illegals coming here; full of dignity, willpower, a capacity for work, hard working, I call them cowardly. Why else would people flee their country, instead of standing up and demanding that things change?

Everyone remember the guy standing in front of the tanks in China. Balls! Big round hairy ball. People in Russia and people from Estonia to Albania demanded a better life and fought for it. They lived under more opression than that of mexico.

A small jerk water fledgling country took on and defeated the most powerful nation on the earth and became the United States of America. Balls, big round hairy balls, to risk everything, to have a better life.

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I'm gonna write pres. Fox an email, that he can shove it up his rear, like he likes his burrito. Those sorry sobs need to stay down there, working like slaves making us cheap manufacturing goods.
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Everyone remember the guy standing in front of the tanks in China.

not to get off subject, but i would hate to imagine what might have happened to him after that. anyone know?

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The reason for this is that Mexicans sending money home from the U.S. is one of the biggest "businesses" in Mexico. That shit needs to stop too.
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Piranhas live in rivers.

Anyway, turbosvo, you must not have a problem with slavery. Because your Mexican homebuilders are exactly that, slaves. They are given just enough money to barely scrape by, will never receive an education in order to get a higher-paying skilled job, and are being exploited by rich white people.

I guess you don't have a problem with that? As an American, I do. Because I don't like paying for all the services that the illegal Mexicans are taking advantage of. I don't like the higher insurance premiums I'm paying because Texas has an inordinate number of cars that are uninsured because they're driven by people that CAN'T LEGALLY acquire insurance. And the people that I know that work on construction sites can't make enough money to live off because employers are hiring $2/hr illegal fucking Mexicans.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if they're trying to make a better life for themselves by being a leach on our country. What they need to do is head back home and make Mexico a great country.

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I know this is a real touchie subject, and I'm sorry for offending anyone if I do by saying this. I was in the military for 4.5 years as a heavy equipment operator. I was trained to operate over 50 pieces of equipment bulldozers, front-end loaders, back-hoe, forklift etc, ect. I got out of the military and went to work for a plumbing company, but they didn't have any equipment work, so I had to do grunt work. I was talking to a contractor one morning asking him if he needed an operator. I told him about all the experience I had, and he seemed impressed. Then he proceeded to tell me why should he pay me 14-15 dollars an hour when he could pay an "illeagal" 8 bucks an hour to do the same job Needless to say I was a little discouraged. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
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Instead of a wall they need to pave about 1/8th of a mile from the border into the us with absolutly nothing to hide behind, just flat concrete for miles. and have towers up every 1/4 mile up with guards and high powered rifles.

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Piranhas live in rivers.

Anyway, turbosvo, you must not have a problem with slavery. Because your Mexican homebuilders are exactly that, slaves. They are given just enough money to barely scrape by, will never receive an education in order to get a higher-paying skilled job, and are being exploited by rich white people.

I guess you don't have a problem with that? As an American, I do. Because I don't like paying for all the services that the illegal Mexicans are taking advantage of. I don't like the higher insurance premiums I'm paying because Texas has an inordinate number of cars that are uninsured because they're driven by people that CAN'T LEGALLY acquire insurance. And the people that I know that work on construction sites can't make enough money to live off because employers are hiring $2/hr illegal fucking Mexicans.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if they're trying to make a better life for themselves by being a leach on our country. What they need to do is head back home and make Mexico a great country.


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Nice read on the wall.

For certain something needs to be done. Not only do they export cash from our country to Mexico, they also drain our medical, educational and welfare budgets from real Americans. Nice to see my taxes and premiums go up because they're stealing from us.

People don't like a crook coming into your house and using your tv, raiding your refigerator and wearing your clothes, but liberals think its ok for illegal immigrants to do the same thing to the USA.
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People don't like a crook coming into your house and using your tv, raiding your refigerator and wearing your clothes, but liberals think its ok for illegal immigrants to do the same thing to the USA.
You can't blame this on liberals. Anytime you guys actually recognize what a fucked up job your heros are doing, you blame it on the liberals.
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[QUOTE=mikeb]Unbelievable. Mexico is pissed that the US intends to enforce it's immigration laws. Hello? Jeez.....

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By John Authers in Mexico City and Edward Alden in Washington
Published: May 13 2005 19:27 | Last updated: May 13 2005 19:27

Mexico has reacted furiously to a bill signed into law by the US this week that would fund a border wall and prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US driving licences.

President Vicente Fox said he would lodge a diplomatic complaint, and was considering complaints to multilateral bodies if Mexico could not unable to resolve the problem bilaterally.

In the US, leaders of the Mexican community threatened to strike to send a message to US employers that they could not survive without cheap Mexican labour.

Santiago Creel, Mexico's interior secretary, said the “Real ID” law was “negative, inconvenient, and obstructionist”.

“Building walls doesn't help anyone build a good neighbourhood,” he said. “Taking away the possibility of obtaining driving licences for people who are working in legal jobs, who pay their taxes there, who send remittances home here, seems to us to be an extreme measure, particularly given the new understanding that we thought we had after the re-election of President Bush.”

Andrés Manuel López Obrador, mayor of Mexico City, supported Mr Fox's stance. He said the problem of growing immigration could be “resolved by encouraging development in Mexico and Central America, not by building walls and using the border control”.

Since 2002, Mexico has adopted a popular policy of issuing undocumented labourers with consular identity cards, which are accepted as proof of identity by many US states for issuing driving licences, and for opening bank accounts. Under the new law, this would no longer be possible. The immigration provisions approved by Congress were attached by House Republicans to a bill that will provide more than $80bn for the war in Iraq this year, giving lawmakers little choice but to support it.

The White House, which at first opposed the new restrictions, supported them when it became clear they would pass Congress in spite of administration opposition.

President George W. Bush has said he wants to deal with illegal immigration by creating a temporary guest worker programme. But many Republicans are using the anxiety about terrorism to push for a crackdown on illegal immigrants.
Yeah, and last year they signed a bill to fund more Border Patrol agents (+1000 more, I believe.) I think the border patrol increased by 300 Agents. The house and senate can sign bills all day long to fund things. The fund money is just going to other places though.

Bush will not do anything with the border, otherwise he would have already done it.

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Yeah, and last year they signed a bill to fund more Border Patrol agents (+1000 more, I believe.) I think the border patrol increased by 300 Agents. The house and senate can sign bills all day long to fund things. The fund money is just going to other places though.

Bush will not do anything with the border, otherwise he would have already done it.
This is the $2 question that I believe that everyone is wondering about. Bush seems to be totally unaware that this is a concern that the average american has, especially after 9/11, and especially the average americans living near the southern border. The absolute lack of concern & action on this issue is puzzling to me.

Sadly I believe that it will take an "incident" including loss of life that is traced to someone crossing our southern border before anyone in DC will care.
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I agree with you mikeb, the gov is going to drag their feet untill something major happens.

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Bush will not do anything with the border, otherwise he would have already done it.
Won't argue with that.
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Yep. If they want to come over they need to become a citizen and abide by all the laws and pay taxes like everyone else. I am not too fond of illegals.
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Piranhas live in rivers.

Anyway, turbosvo, you must not have a problem with slavery. Because your Mexican homebuilders are exactly that, slaves. They are given just enough money to barely scrape by, will never receive an education in order to get a higher-paying skilled job, and are being exploited by rich white people.

I guess you don't have a problem with that? As an American, I do. Because I don't like paying for all the services that the illegal Mexicans are taking advantage of. I don't like the higher insurance premiums I'm paying because Texas has an inordinate number of cars that are uninsured because they're driven by people that CAN'T LEGALLY acquire insurance. And the people that I know that work on construction sites can't make enough money to live off because employers are hiring $2/hr illegal fucking Mexicans.

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if they're trying to make a better life for themselves by being a leach on our country. What they need to do is head back home and make Mexico a great country.
Amen! Could not have said it any better myself. Here is an example that tiffs me off. My family knows a worker who does custom tile. He is a white guy that has been doing this for a living for over 25 years. He gets yelled at and threatened many times by Mexicans when he shows up to a work site. They tell him that he does not belong there and that the construction business belongs to the Mexicans. Builders have not given him some jobs due to the possibility of conflicts and were worried the Mexican workers would walk off the job if a white guy was laying the tile in a house that was being built. Rediculous. Screw those low life a-holes. We cannot get away with discriminating like that and they should not either. The employers are part to blame as well though. This guy has told me about a lot of the crap work he has seen them do as well. If they want to come here they need to be a citizen imo and have the same responsibilites like everyone else. American is the land of opportunity but with that comes responsibilities. They can stay in their sh*t hole of a country. Hell, they cannot get things together in their country.
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whoa.

No matter how heated anyone gets, instead of focusing on the people rather than the problem (laws concerning immmigration) it will always persist.

IMO= Give them licenses like they want to do in So. California, so that way, they can get insurance, recieve taxes, and be tracked for god's sake.
They wouldn't be full citizens until they meet the requirements (not likely for a few years) and atleast we would have an obvious and large increase of taxes funded to the government.

Although this seems like a good idea, it will never work unless the (not necessarily) white managers/owners of these companies stop hiring illegals (people with out papers, like above^) for $2/hr.

And I agree, if the Mexican construction crews don't like a white guy working on their site, then they can quit and find another job. It's America. Do What Ever You Want. That's the whole reason we're here- we're able to find a job that we like, pursue it, and obtain it- along with a nice house and life to go with.

That's just my $.02
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The employers are part to blame as well though.
The employers are totally to blame for the problem. If their were no jobs illegals they wouldn't be here.

When an employer hires an illegal for below prevailing wage, they are hurting everyone in the area. I think someone should sue a local employer for hiring illegals and hurting the wage base. If the government won't do anything, then maybe the people should.
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shit is getting treacherous on the border:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158998,00.html


and from AZcentral.com, Hispanic population growth is, uh, high:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ispanic09.html
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shit is getting treacherous on the border:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158998,00.html


and from AZcentral.com, Hispanic population growth is, uh, high:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ispanic09.html
That's not a border problem it is a drug or crime problem.
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The employers are totally to blame for the problem. If their were no jobs illegals they wouldn't be here.

When an employer hires an illegal for below prevailing wage, they are hurting everyone in the area. I think someone should sue a local employer for hiring illegals and hurting the wage base. If the government won't do anything, then maybe the people should.
I agree with that.
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We have to take care of ourselves before we can help others. IMO the support many countries receive from the US has now developed into an expected handout/dependancy and the demands are getting larger.
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They can come over. There is a legal process to it.
agreed

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