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Unhappy U.S. civilian beheaded on video in Iraq

This makes me sick to my stomach.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An al Qaeda-linked Web site showed video Tuesday of a man who identified himself as an American and then was beheaded.

His captors said the United States refused to exchange him for prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison.

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage for some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib and they refused," says a hooded man standing behind the American.

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins, slaughtered in this way."

The video was discovered as a U.S. Senate committee heard testimony on the U.S. military investigation into abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. (Full story)

At the beginning of the tape, the victim describes himself as Nicholas Berg from Pennsylvania.

"My name is Nic Berg. My father's name is Michael. My mother's name is Suzanne. I have a brother and a sister -- David and Sarah," says the man.

"I live in West Chester, Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia."

He is then shown sitting in front of five hooded men. After the statement is read by one of the men, the victim is pushed to the floor and, amid his screams, his throat is cut. Finally, one of the captors holds up the man's severed head.

Earlier in the day, the State Department identified the body of an American found Monday in Baghdad as that of Nicholas Berg of Pennsylvania.

Berg was not a soldier or a civilian employee of the Pentagon, the State Department said.

A senior State Department official also said that the beheaded body of an American had been found, but he could not confirm it was Berg.

The Web site said the killing had been carried out by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of an Islamist terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on coalition forces in Iraq.

The voice on the tape could not be verified as that of al-Zarqawi.

Earlier Tuesday U.S. military officials said American soldiers have killed 13 Iraqi militia loyal to renegade Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and have detained 14 others in overnight fighting near Najaf.

Late Monday, members of al-Sadr's Mehdi Army attempted to ambush a U.S. convoy with small arms fire. No American forces were injured in the incident.

The U.S. military began a major offensive Sunday to retake control of parts of the city, reclaiming the governor's palace from al-Sadr's control.

Al-Sadr, who is wanted in connection with the killing of a rival cleric last year, launched an uprising against U.S. troops in April. Since then, coalition forces have cracked down on the cleric's strongholds while trying to avoid religious sites.

Al-Sadr is believed to be in Najaf, where his militia remains in control of much of the Shiite holy city, although he travels to nearby Kufa to deliver weekly sermons on Friday.
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Someone just told me about this, that sucks.

They offered to trade him for some prisoners, but no deal.
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They offered to trade him for some prisoners, but no deal.
Our govt. does not work deals w/terrorists. It sets a really bad precedent when you do. Just really sucks for that guy and his family. Only a matter of time before that video is all over the web.
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Our govt. does not work deals w/terrorists. It sets a really bad precedent when you do. Just really sucks for that guy and his family. Only a matter of time before that video is all over the web.
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Just like that black and white vid that showed a journalist's neck being stabbed and severed
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the videos of David Pearl and Nic Berg

will show how trivial and what a joke the usa prisoner abuse is.
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They can pull this shit, but if we were to do it the world would be enraged.
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Re: the videos of David Pearl and Nic Berg

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will show how trivial and what a joke the usa prisoner abuse is.
It obviously wasn't a joke seeing that they mentioned it as one of the reasons they were killing that young man. This prisoner abuse scandal has really turned some heads and should not be taken lightly. It isn't just about the Bush administration or the acts themselves. It is about the stigma it has placed on our entire country. Others in the world are always looking for a reason to lash out at the US and point a finger. This prisoner abuse issue gave them a reason.
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Re: Re: Re: the videos of David Pearl and Nic Berg

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And what prompted Pearl? Or the Italian guy? What again did Italy do? Or any number of others they killed. They're fuckin' animals and didn't need a reason. They were gonna kill again regardless, so for you, or anyone else for that matter, to say that they did it solely because of the idiocy of a few is preposterous. It was a convenient excuse to use in an attempt to justify their lunacy.
You kind of missed out on the part where I said " they mentioned it as one of the reasons" didn't you. I don't contend this will be the primary reason for any deaths but if you think it is irrelevant you really are being "preposterous". What are you and Jyro in this together, and ?
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Because We're all Americans. Militant muslims will kill ANY Americans for ANY excuse if it meets their political agenda to gain world support, they will use ANY excuse. The abuse of the prisoners is the excuse of the day. We ALL should support the war, yes WAR, against these militants. We can fight them over THERE, or fight them here in your own backyard. They won't go away just because we leave. We won't leave till their dead or put down their arms unless John Kerry wins the presidency, then we will fight them here AND there or we will have a isolationist socialist society with a great wall around the USA.
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listening to radio today and this guy said he was going to post the video

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listening to radio today and this guy said he was going to post the video

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Its (the vid) is already posted in the other thread.
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I won't watch it

but if you do, think about how it compares to necked prisoners being pointed at by a woman soldier, oh the horror.
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I tell you this right now... If I ever get captured, just presume I'm dead by the time you hear it because I'm gonna take as many as I can with me.

I really like the people over here in Iraq, but these terrorist give the whole country and the Islamic belief a bad name. It get real quiet over here when something like this comes up, especially when no one thinks, "That can't happen to me." I accept the fact that things like this happen, yet I'm still here.

I dare one of you war opposers to say that political gain or future oil hook-ups were on that person's mind in the video. I could care less why Bush, Kerry, or any of those other "leaders" want us or don't want us here. They can all go screw themselves for all I care. It's really hard to fight a conventional war against an unconventional enemy, but it IS the right thing to do and even though people don't admit it, the world looks to the United States for aid of all kind. What other country comes to the aid of another when the US isn't involved?

If this war started September 12, 2001, not one of you would be saying shit about us over here. You can post what you like, and I know this might sound a little "unamerican", but FUCK YOU and you're piece of shit, flower-growing, tree-hugging, smog-free, whale-saving, freedom of speech opinions!!!
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This just pisses me off to no end. The world hates us no matter what we do.
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What has the world come to. this is terrebly sad. There are no words to describe the way i feel. empty comes close. what are we fighting for, this to have our own killed in such a brutal way..NO. horrible, the GOV is one big contridiction, " we can hurt and humiliate your guys but you cant hurt our guys" thats what their saying. we need to just do what will end this and let us live our lives....another Hiroshima?

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what are we fighting for, this to have our own killed in such a brutal way..NO. horrible,
Sad thing is if we dont fight them over there, we'll be fighting them over here. That is why we are over there
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It's just BS that we're gonna pay the family of the abused prisoners, while US prisoner's are getting killed


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I tell you this right now... If I ever get captured, just presume I'm dead by the time you hear it because I'm gonna take as many as I can with me.

I really like the people over here in Iraq, but these terrorist give the whole country and the Islamic belief a bad name. It get real quiet over here when something like this comes up, especially when no one thinks, "That can't happen to me." I accept the fact that things like this happen, yet I'm still here.

I dare one of you war opposers to say that political gain or future oil hook-ups were on that person's mind in the video. I could care less why Bush, Kerry, or any of those other "leaders" want us or don't want us here. They can all go screw themselves for all I care. It's really hard to fight a conventional war against an unconventional enemy, but it IS the right thing to do and even though people don't admit it, the world looks to the United States for aid of all kind. What other country comes to the aid of another when the US isn't involved?

If this war started September 12, 2001, not one of you would be saying shit about us over here. You can post what you like, and I know this might sound a little "unamerican", but FUCK YOU and you're piece of shit, flower-growing, tree-hugging, smog-free, whale-saving, freedom of speech opinions!!!





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I tell you this right now... If I ever get captured, just presume I'm dead by the time you hear it because I'm gonna take as many as I can with me.

I really like the people over here in Iraq, but these terrorist give the whole country and the Islamic belief a bad name. It get real quiet over here when something like this comes up, especially when no one thinks, "That can't happen to me." I accept the fact that things like this happen, yet I'm still here.

I dare one of you war opposers to say that political gain or future oil hook-ups were on that person's mind in the video. I could care less why Bush, Kerry, or any of those other "leaders" want us or don't want us here. They can all go screw themselves for all I care. It's really hard to fight a conventional war against an unconventional enemy, but it IS the right thing to do and even though people don't admit it, the world looks to the United States for aid of all kind. What other country comes to the aid of another when the US isn't involved?

If this war started September 12, 2001, not one of you would be saying shit about us over here. You can post what you like, and I know this might sound a little "unamerican", but FUCK YOU and you're piece of shit, flower-growing, tree-hugging, smog-free, whale-saving, freedom of speech opinions!!!

AMEN!!!!!!

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If this war started September 12, 2001, not one of you would be saying shit about us over here. You can post what you like, and I know this might sound a little "unamerican", but FUCK YOU and you're piece of shit, flower-growing, tree-hugging, smog-free, whale-saving, freedom of speech opinions!!!

I rooted for you all the way to that paragraph. re-word it to say..


"If the war in AFGHANISTAN AGAINT AL-QUEEDA AND OSAMA BIN LADIN started Sept 12 etc etc etc.."


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I rooted for you all the way to that paragraph. re-word it to say..


"If the war in AFGHANISTAN AGAINT AL-QUEEDA AND OSAMA BIN LADIN started Sept 12 etc etc etc.."


Then i'd print it out also and tell my grand kids..He's a ford nut too

Actually, that's part of my point... since the action in Afghanistan was a lot closer than the Iraq war, it wasn't opposed as much.
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I tell you this right now... If I ever get captured, just presume I'm dead by the time you hear it because I'm gonna take as many as I can with me.

I really like the people over here in Iraq, but these terrorist give the whole country and the Islamic belief a bad name. It get real quiet over here when something like this comes up, especially when no one thinks, "That can't happen to me." I accept the fact that things like this happen, yet I'm still here.

I dare one of you war opposers to say that political gain or future oil hook-ups were on that person's mind in the video. I could care less why Bush, Kerry, or any of those other "leaders" want us or don't want us here. They can all go screw themselves for all I care. It's really hard to fight a conventional war against an unconventional enemy, but it IS the right thing to do and even though people don't admit it, the world looks to the United States for aid of all kind. What other country comes to the aid of another when the US isn't involved?

If this war started September 12, 2001, not one of you would be saying shit about us over here. You can post what you like, and I know this might sound a little "unamerican", but FUCK YOU and you're piece of shit, flower-growing, tree-hugging, smog-free, whale-saving, freedom of speech opinions!!!



you know, i gotta say that i dont feel sorry for any civilian that goes over there and gets murdered. what happen to berg is a god awfull tragedy but shit man. if you know your on the hit list of any nut case group there and know that your ARE going to get tortured and killed. why the fuck go. i hear people say we go because we need to help rebild there country. bullshit. thats why we teach and train our soldiers in those matters. our soldiers have protection and comradery and will take the heads off any piece of shit that trys to kill one of them. all those groups wanna kill you because your an american. it has absolutely no reason to do with politics. those fucks have no morrals and no respect for any human life period. think of me how you like but we (civilians) do not belong there. let our soldiers do there jobs. be carefull denny
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you know, i gotta say that i dont feel sorry for any civilian that goes over there and gets murdered. what happen to berg is a god awfull tragedy but shit man. if you know your on the hit list of any nut case group there and know that your ARE going to get tortured and killed. why the fuck go. i hear people say we go because we need to help rebild there country. bullshit. thats why we teach and train our soldiers in those matters. our soldiers have protection and comradery and will take the heads off any piece of shit that trys to kill one of them. all those groups wanna kill you because your an american. it has absolutely no reason to do with politics. those fucks have no morrals and no respect for any human life period. think of me how you like but we (civilians) do not belong there. let our soldiers do there jobs. be carefull denny
Thanks man, but as a civilian, I am fully secure in my position here. Not only am I training both other civilians and locals, but I can cover the labor of other soldiers and let them be on the front line where, in my mind, feel they're best suited. That Berg guy didn't even belong there. He didn't have a work visa or anything. The military wants me here for a specific reason and I am accounted for. I am not allowed off base, I do not travel through the country, unless by military aircraft, and I'm constantly surrounded by approximately 7000-9000 Marines.
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Thanks man, but as a civilian, I am fully secure in my position here. Not only am I training both other civilians and locals, but I can cover the labor of other soldiers and let them be on the front line where, in my mind, feel they're best suited. That Berg guy didn't even belong there. He didn't have a work visa or anything. The military wants me here for a specific reason and I am accounted for. I am not allowed off base, I do not travel through the country, unless by military aircraft, and I'm constantly surrounded by approximately 7000-9000 Marines.
I haven't read the story but there was a news blip headline on Yahoo! News that was titled "America offered to fly Berg out of Iraq". I wonder what that is all about. Sounds like he had a fascination with teh people of Iraq and unfortunately it cost him his life. Very sad.

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Ya, he turned it down because he thought a military flight would be too dangerous. The guy was originally in Mosul and tried to go to Kuwait. He should have gone to Turkey... he was almost there anyway.
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I haven't read the story but there was a news blip headline on Yahoo! News that was titled "America offered to fly Berg out of Iraq". I wonder what that is all about. Sounds like he had a fascination with teh people of Iraq and unfortunately it cost him his life. Very sad.
berg was there for the money. he was making an average of over 13,000 a month. money cost him his life.
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Ya, he turned it down because he thought a military flight would be too dangerous. The guy was originally in Mosul and tried to go to Kuwait. He should have gone to Turkey... he was almost there anyway.
This is another in a long line of tragic situations that could have been stopped at so many points but fate wouldn't let it happen.

If he would have not gone to the country, much less alone.
If he would have caught on when he was stopped by Iraqi police for being suspicious because he was traveling alone.
I also heard he was jewish, which compounds the being alone in a radical Muslim country if it's true.
He then turns down a military evacuation because it wasn't safe.

Just plain sad, especially since his family will be the ones suffering now.

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You take care over there Denny and return home safe.
Thanks... that's the plan.
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I watched the vid yesterday and cannot get it out of my mind. Being from Canada, I have had a few different thoughts about the war than my American friends. I lived in the U.S. for 8 years, and was there during 9/11. I have understood the importance of Iraq's liberation and the U.S. involvement. Fact is War sucks. People die. The U.S. is screwed because their actions are constantly microscoped by the world. They are expected to uphold civilized moralities while also trying to win the war. War involves interogation, humiliation, torture and ruthlessness. This isn't Cowboys and Indians. I consider myself fairly liberal yet intollerant to lack of commitment. America and its allies all come from parts of this world that do not condone or pursue the way of life that radical middle easterns seem to thrive on. I do not think dropping the bomb is the answer but the thugs responsible for this horrible murder should feel some redneck retribution.

I know Canada has been on the fence in this thing but I for one felt American on 9/11 and never more so then yesterday. To my American friends, I feel your horror and anger. I don't have a gun but if need be, I am a surgeon with a hockey stick! I would love nothing more than those Ratso's on a clean sheet of ice for 20 mins.

Denny, I am proud of you and what you are risking for me and my country! Get home safe.
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