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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-29-2004, 01:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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why I'm liberal

First of all, I don't know why these bitch ass conservatives want to talk shit about liberals.

Afterall,
1. Who won the American Revolution? L.I.B.E.R.A.L.S
2. Who fought for the abolition of slavery? The Left
3. Who brought you the weekend, the end of child labor and various other rights for workers? L.I.B.E.R.A.L.S
4. Who brought you the woman's right to vote? L.I.B.E.R.A.L.S
5. who fought and died for civil rights? L.I.B.E.R.A.L.S
6. who brought you Social Security, Medicare, and medicad? L.I.B.E.R.A.L.S
7. Who created the middle class with the G.I Bill and the New Deal? L.I.B.E.R.A.L.S

All of these Democratizing aspects of America were brought to you by the left.

Now, who fought against all of these measures that make America great today?

COUNTRY CLUB, CORPORATE JET, CORRUPT CONSERVATIVES, thats who.

That is why I'm on the Leftside, and if you ain't on the leftside, you are on the wrong side. The anti-american side.

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shut the hell up, You liberals make me sick. I am only 23 years old and am a poor college kid and can still see the light. Why dont you take some college courses ie economics and govt then come screaming with this shit. Also this is a car site why would your first post be about politics just curious. did you join for your intrest in cars or to start an arguement
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You rule dude....First of all....You can't argue with what I said because judging from your post, you have the intelligence of a simian. Second, if you paid attention in those college classes, you would know that i am right and you're a dumbass. Third, maybe you should take a history course. Lastly, It's pretty freaking funny how a "poor college student" can support a party that is fucking you in the ass everyday with their policies.

hahahahahahahaha. That joke's on you. Wake up before your ass bleeds.
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The Democratic Party has changed a WHOLE lot since those days.

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The Democratic Party has changed a WHOLE lot since those days.
has the definition of the word liberal? I dont think what he is necessarily trying to point on which political party affiliation, but rather liberals. Lincoln was a republican who freed the slaves but was still considered to be a liberal. Look the definition of liberal up in your websters, then look up conservative. It just so happens that , currently, the word Liberal falls on the left side of the aisle. I'm beeting he claims leftside not because of the name democrat but because he is a liberal. Look at poll's from the american people of who they considered to be the top 5 president in our nations history. While both parties might appear on that list EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was considered a liberal. Conservatives have a way of sitting on the status quo, and for thehistory and the progress of our nation, this approach means very little.

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bullshit gun laws brought to you by LIBERALS...

it ain't black and white dude... both sides are fucked up... the answer lies somewhere inbetween.

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but has the definition of the word liberal?
Has the word Democrat?

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Has the word Democrat?
look above ive added more to the post
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I'd like to know who it is who is hiding behind an assumed screen name. It is hard to believe that someone wanting to argue politics is going to join DFWstangs to do it. So reveal yourself you proud liberal.

At least DanielMc appears to have been posting awhile and in other forums.

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look above ive added more to the post
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bullshit gun laws brought to you by LIBERALS...

it ain't black and white dude... both sides are fucked up... the answer lies somewhere inbetween.

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You are right...It ain't black and white....The Democratic party today is corrupt as well. That is why I voted for Nader in 2000. I would vote for Nader again if It wasn't for the fact that Bush is a complete moron and he is trying to roll back all of the Democratic gains of the past two hundred years. Therefore, this year, I'm going to have to support Kerry, bc, he has the best chance at sending that fake ass cowboy back to crawford.
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I voted for Bush... well... against Gore in the last election... I'm throwing my vote away this time and going Libertarian... either side will fuck you one way or another, I'll martyr my vote for what I truly believe in this time!

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I voted for Bush... well... against Gore in the last election... I'm throwing my vote away this time and going Libertarian... either side will fuck you one way or another, I'll martyr my vote for what I truly believe in this time!

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Are you a liberatarian on the left(anarchist) who wants less laws because you are afraid of a George Orwell type nightmare? or, Are you a libertarian on the right(fascist) who wants less government so that their corporate buddies can lie, cheat, and steal without impunity?
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Yea you're right....I better work hard this year to support all the welfare junkies......stupid liberals.
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Yea you're right....I better work hard this year to support all the welfare junkies......stupid liberals.
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wow, he brings up some of the greatest gains in progress towards a fair and equal democracy that the world has ever seen and you come and post that he is stupid because of welfare? Irony...................
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Yea you're right....I better work hard this year to support all the welfare junkies......stupid liberals.
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Before you take shit. Know what the fuck you're talking about.
54 billion of the treasury goes to the poor while 158 billion goes to the rich.

Your corporate buddies are stealing your tax dollars while your dumbass is blaming the wrong group of people.

Welfare junkies? Who's bending over to the corporate welfare junkies? Your heroes in the Republican party, thats who.

How does that corporate dick feel up your ass?
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Speaking of gun control laws, Australia outlawed fire arms. Due to the fact that people want to kill people regardless.....people started carrying swords and sword fighting. Australia has now outlawed swords in public. Just an interesting fact.
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The definition of ‘liberalism’ in America has become inverted. The classic definition of liberalism – preferring liberty over government interference – is best represented in American politics by the Libertarian party. American ‘liberals’ are really nothing more than half-assed socialists who lack the moral courage and honesty to own up to it. The following quote is extremely telling:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt EVERY fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Norman Thomas (Former Socialist Presidential Candidate)


The Democratic Party has been hijacked by leftists bent on transforming America into a socialist state.

It is extremely disingenuous to attribute societal advancements of past ‘progressives’ to modern day ‘liberals’. Today the argument between liberal and conservative hinges on the very definition of government in a democratic society: Should government be a cradle to grave master that shepherds over your every decision OR should government merely provide essential services while allowing people “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”?
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Before you take shit. Know what the fuck you're talking about.
54 billion of the treasury goes to the poor while 158 billion goes to the rich.

Your corporate buddies are stealing your tax dollars while your dumbass is blaming the wrong group of people.

Welfare junkies? Who's bending over to the corporate welfare junkies? Your heroes in the Republican party, thats who.

How does that corporate dick feel up your ass?

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The definition of ‘liberalism’ in America has become inverted. The classic definition of liberalism – preferring liberty over government interference – is best represented in American politics by the Libertarian party. American ‘liberals’ are really nothing more than half-assed socialists who lack the moral courage and honesty to own up to it. The following quote is extremely telling:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt EVERY fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Norman Thomas (Former Socialist Presidential Candidate)


The Democratic Party has been hijacked by leftists bent on transforming America into a socialist state.

It is extremely disingenuous to attribute societal advancements of past ‘progressives’ to modern day ‘liberals’. Today the argument between liberal and conservative hinges on the very definition of government in a democratic society: Should government be a cradle to grave master that shepherds over your every decision OR should government merely provide essential services while allowing people “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”?
ok you saying that liberals want the govt to "shepard every decision" is the same as me saying all conservatives are fascist that want union between the govt and that of corporations. Give us a realistic view, not some distorted radical false perception of what you believe the ideologies of someone are that you do not agree with.
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The majority of liberals are political lemmings that, like yourself, are too naïve to see the strings being pulled by the puppet masters. Have you ever stopped to consider exactly what is the ‘end game’ envisioned by the left? Do you really think that welfare is designed to lift people out of poverty? Do you really believe that Social Security is an effective utilization of your retirement dollars? Do you really think that a national health care program will result in a better standard of health for all Americans? Do you really believe that socialism is compatible with the constitution?

Conservatives are naturally suspicious of government. Conservatives believe that man is sinful and that governments exist to restrain men.

“But what is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government of men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”

James Madison, Federalist 51, 1787-88.


Indeed our Constitution is testimony to the ‘conservative’ nature of our fore-fathers who having experienced tyranny wished to devise institutions that could somehow constrain the sinfulness of individuals and institutions.

Because of this distrustful disposition towards the nature of man conservatives place little faith in the savior of ‘big government’. The recognition that “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely” steers conservatives away from a strong central authority and its resulting infringements on the rights of the individual.

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly ... [Now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.”

Bill Clinton


The unfortunate reality is that the expansion of the liberal state means that government has spiraled out of control – bankrupting our future while the slender fingers of tyranny choke our personal freedoms. Since President Johnson declared a “War on Poverty” the federal government, and its waste and abuses of power, has been growing in leaps and bounds.
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let's elevate the discussion here

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The majority of liberals are political lemmings that, like yourself, are too naïve to see the strings being pulled by the puppet masters. Have you ever stopped to consider exactly what is the ‘end game’ envisioned by the left? Do you really think that welfare is designed to lift people out of poverty? Do you really believe that Social Security is an effective utilization of your retirement dollars? Do you really think that a national health care program will result in a better standard of health for all Americans? Do you really believe that socialism is compatible with the constitution?
I agree with you in principal. I think the left has it wrong on the issues you listed. But, too call them naive and political lemmings and using other ad hominem attacks just hurts our cause. Let's focus on the issues and not call each other names like a bunch of juinor high schoolers.

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Do you really believe that socialism is compatible with the constitution?
Most liberals I know aren't socialists. Just like we are not fascists. The sooner we stop with these idiotic slogans describing the other, on both sides, the sooner we can work at making our country better.
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