Originally posted by DanielMc
did you actually read my post?
i said REGARDLESS OF A RECOUNT, if jeb wouldnt have committed illegal actions gore would have won.
The hard facts are that florida has a law in their constitutuion that says that no convicted felon can vote for the president, so jeb went a hired a private corporation to comprise a list of all the felons in the state. He told them to do a as wide and ecompassing sweep as possible. Even after the company told jeb they we getting "false matches" bush still told them to procede and that that was an the intended purpose. Outcome: 20,000 blacks removed from the voting rolls that WERE NOT MATCHES. These blacks had a history of voting 98% democratically, in a state decided by less than 1000 votes. YOU DO THE MATH. I remember seeinf one interview with black REVEREND of a southern baptitst church who had been trmoved from the polls and couldnt vote for sharing a single initial and birthdate of a convicted felon. Sounds like a good enough reason to remove the most holy of rights in this country right? give me a fucking break.
FURTHERMORE, the absentee ballots. Florida law states that no absentee ballot can be counted if post marked after election day, HUNDREDS of them were. how did bush's campaign get away with it? they whipped out the violin's and started playing the sappy music and told the people that gore was an evil evil democrat that didnt want to count the votes of our nations servicemen and women. What they failed to mention is the fact that he did want them counted, just not illegal ones. damn a man that wants out nation to follow the laws it has established, damn evil democrats!!
Two fill paragraph's containing no hard facts, what a shame eh?
All i hear from you conservatives is recount recount that. fuck a recount, follow the damn laws and principles of our nation and give me the guy who won the damn election, by popular vote and electoral.
Hey, what ever, I am no expert at the 2000 election. But Gore lost, says the official results here
I'll look more into the election, but whats done is done. He may have won the popular vote maybe, but not the electoral
some aftermath facts I think might be worth considering
A few facts:
Al Gore didn't actually win the popular vote when you factor in the obvious margin of error in the system. One-hundred and six million votes were cast and Gore "lead" by 500,000, less than one-half of one percent. That is well within the margin of error of the current system and it would be be more fairly characterized as a tie. The popular vote doesn't actually matter, but this is one area where Democrats have attacked President Bush as being illegitimate and they're wrong on even that.
The Florida State Supreme Court violated the U.S. Constitution by moving the certification date. They knew that all plenary power with regard to federal elections lies with the state legislature and moved the date anyway.
The case is sent to SCOTUS and they overturn the Florida Supreme Court in an unsigned opinion. That's a mistake I'll return to later.
In the mean time an "equal protection" case is making its way through the federal system challenging the manual counting procedures in Florida. Filed by the Bush team.
The Florida Supreme Court, against the vocal dissent of the Chief Justice who seems to have been chastened by the SCOTUS ruling, issues another ruling that conflicts with the Florida Legislature's election law and jeopardizes Florida's safe-harbor date, which the legislature obviously intended to meet. SIDENOTE: The safe harbor date means that if you have all legal matters solved by a certain date set in federal law and submitted to the Congress, the quality of the electors won't be questioned.
During all of this the Florida Legislature, heavily Republican and in an ongoing war with the liberal state Supreme Court, begins preparations to send it's own set of electoral college delegates, infuriated that their authority has been trampled again by their Supreme Court.
The equal protection case makes it to SCOTUS and the next appeal of the Florida Supreme Court arrives and they're combined to become Bush v. Gore.
SCOTUS, on a 5-4 vote, finds that there is an equal protection problem with Florida's standard for manually counting ballots AND finds that the Florida Supreme Court has once again violated the U.S. Constitution by tampering with election law and also might have violated federal law regarding the safe harbor date. I can't remember.
SCOTUS issues their 5-4 opinion saying what I said above and provides a method, I believe, that can be used that one time to manually count votes that will pass an equal protection challenge. They issue it at around 11:00pm on the safe harbor date leaving one hour to do the recount.
Ideally SCOTUS wouldn't have sent back an unsigned opinion and would have provided a remedy, particularly on that equal protection issue. However, I believe a court can only answer a question that is before it and the equal protection case was still winding its way through the federal system. If they had issued their final Bush v. Gore opinion at the time the unsigned opinion came out there would have been time for a manual statewide recount using a standard SCOTUS provided. This, in theory, would make everybody happy, but I doubt it. The other side would have ended up bitter because the election was so close.
Shoot forward a few months and several independent media outlets have examined the ballots and find that George Bush wins Florida under every scenario in which the votes are counted legally.
One final point: it was a tie. After that it was a matter of who could manage the legal machinery better. Bush won