Originally posted by reef93gt
What you can ask what Presidential Experience I have, but I can't ask about your Military Experience? If you had any then you would know about a thing called Morale, and what an incident like this does to lower it. You would also feel tied to those soldiers over there...what message are we sending them..or the families of those who were killed and then drug through the streets...that it's OK to drag their sons through the street?
The Military is for Mobility and Counter-Mobility it is not an occupation force.
I like the fact everyone on here is so idealistic, but I have only see 1 maybe 2 people join the service based on their ideals since I have been on here.
yes, but in the military you follow rank. Its not a place for anarchy and doing what ever you feel like. Right? More goes to fighting this war on terror than just what you feel like.
Read, we are not just doing nothing
FALLUJAH, Iraq — The deaths and mutilation of four American contractors in Fallujah "will not go unpunished," chief U.S. administrator in Iraq L. Paul Bremer (search) said Thursday — and a U.S. general vowed an "overwhelming" response.
Gen. John Abizaid (search), the leader of U.S. Central Command who oversees the U.S. forces in Iraq, also had a series of closed-door meetings with Pentagon officials Thursday afternoon, Fox News has learned.
When asked if Fallujah (search) was among the items discussed, one senior official said: "You wouldn't be wrong in your thinking that Fallujah may have been on the agenda."
Another senior official insisted that the Pentagon would not be getting involved in the planning for a military response to the vigorous insurgency in Fallujah, saying quite forcefully that the Combined Joint Task Force and Marine commanders stationed outside the city would be the ones making the decisions.
"The only guidance they would get from us is 'you have to be aggressive in pursuing this kind of violence,'" the official said.
U.S. troops remained outside the city Thursday, and commanders said they would act "at the time and place of our choosing."
They also defended their decision not to send forces into the city Wednesday to retrieve the charred remains of the Americans, who were dragged through the streets for hours after insurgents ambushed their SUVs.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search) said troops didn't respond for fear of ambushes and the possibility that insurgents would use civilians as human shields. "A pre-emptive attack into the city could have taken a bad situation and made it even worse," he said.
Kimmitt told Fox News Thursday that the response against the contractors' attackers will be "deliberate, precise and it's going to be overwhelming."
"These people that committed this barbaric act will not go unpunished nor will the people of Fallujah be held hostage by a very small minority in the city," Kimmitt continued.
Bremer adviser Dan Senor told Fox News that President Bush is committed to making sure all of Iraq is stable and a democratic government is put in place before U.S. troops pull out.
"We're going to stick around until the job is done," Senor said, adding that the coalition is making "tremendous progress … despite tragic events like yesterday."
On Thursday, Fallujah residents said they were ready to take on the Americans if they now try to enter the city.
"We wish that they would try to enter Fallujah so we'd let hell break loose," Ahmed al-Dulaimi said. "We will not let any foreigner enter Fallujah," said Sameer Sami. "Yesterday's attack is proof of how much we hate the Americans."
Near Fallujah on Thursday, insurgents set off a bomb beside a U.S. military patrol, wounding three troops. Associated Press Television News footage showed smoke and fire pouring from an abandoned Humvee on the side of a road.
In Ramadi, west of Fallujah, six Iraqi civilians died and four were wounded Wednesday evening in a car bombing at a market, said Lt. Col. Steve Murray, a coalition spokesman.
Also Thursday, two explosions near a U.S.-escorted fuel convoy in Baghdad wounded at least one Iraqi. APTN footage showed U.S. soldiers putting a wounded person on a stretcher in an armored vehicle.
Schools and shops were open in Fallujah a day after the macabre events, during which mobs strung up two of the corpses on an iron bridge over the Euphrates River.
Kimmitt pledged to hunt down those who carried out Wednesday's killings, which were reminiscent of the televised abuse of the corpses of American soldiers in Somalia in 1993.
"We are not going to do a pell-mell rush into the city. It will be deliberate, it will be precise and it will be overwhelming. We will not rush in to make things worse. We will plan our way through this and we will re-establish control of that city and we will pacify that city."
Fallujah, 35 miles west of Baghdad, has been the scene of some of the worst violence since the beginning of the U.S.-led occupation a year ago. The city was a stronghold of support for Saddam Hussein, who was ousted in the invasion a year ago. Militant forces appear to enjoy the support — or at least acquiescence — of a significant part of the population.
A U.S. counterterrorism official said the attacks have stepped up in Iraq over the last few weeks and have reflected more sophistication and planning.
The official said it was unclear who is responsible, though Baath party remnants, Iraqi intelligence figures, associates of Al Qaeda-linked Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) or Sunni extremists are among the possibilities.
Last month, U.S. Marines took over authority of Fallujah and surrounding areas from the 82nd Airborne Division and conducted patrols that led to fierce firefights in the city.
The Marines enter Fallujah only on days when they conduct a military operation in the city. The Marines were apparently not in Fallujah on Wednesday when mobs dragged the mutilated and burned bodies of the four Americans through the streets.
Apparently fearful Iraqi police in the city stayed away from the mobs, and picked up the bodies hours later only at the request of American troops.
On Thursday, police manned roadside checkpoints and remained at their posts but were not conducting raids or operations related to the killings. Two officers told The Associated Press they were afraid, while a third said: "Why should we interfere? It's none of our business."
It was unclear why the American contractors were traveling unescorted in such a dangerous area. The four worked for Blackwater Security Consulting of Moyock, N.C., which provides training and guard services to customers around the world.
The firm is a government subcontractor providing security for the delivery of food in the Fallujah area. It is also a subsidiary of Blackwater USA, whose range of paramilitary services include providing firearms and small-groups training facilities for Navy SEALs, police department SWAT teams and former special operations personnel.
Bremer condemned the killings as well as the combat deaths of five American soldiers on the same day, and said "their deaths will not go unpunished."
"Yesterday's events in Fallujah are dramatic examples of the ongoing struggle between human dignity and barbarism," Bremer said at a ceremony for police cadets in Baghdad. "The acts we have seen were despicable and inexcusable. ... They violate the tenets of all religions, including Islam."
Samir Shaker Mahmoud, a member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, said he hoped the response of the U.S. military in the area would not be based on "revenge."
Iraqi Interior Minister Nori al Badran also promised to send forces into Fallujah but did not say when.
"We were shocked because our Islamic beliefs reject such behavior," police Lt. Salah Abdullah said in a reference to the abuse of the bodies.
Major newspapers in the United States ran graphic photos Thursday of the charred bodies, while the images were largely shunned by American television as too horrific.
Overseas, broadcasters and newspapers carried the gruesome images, though some London tabloids blurred the photos and Arab television obscured more gruesome footage.
Some European newspapers speculated about a quicker U.S. troop withdrawal and others said it could serve as a new standard for attacks.
But Secretary of State Colin Powell said the United States would not be "run out" of Iraq.
"America has the ability to stay, fight an enemy and defeat an enemy," Powell, who was attending a donor conference in Berlin for the rebuilding of Afghanistan, said in an interview on German ZDF television.
So why so soon to jump on the Bush hating bandwagon?