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I am going to build a new rip machine/media storage.

I plan on installing a 32gb solid state drive for the o.s. only
2 1tb sata drives for storage
4 gb of ddr3 ram
AMD 3 quad core processor

The only purpose of this machine will be for media storage, the occasional web browsing, and the ever less occasional photo-shop.

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I would try and get a bigger solid state 64gig at least.

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I would try and get a bigger solid state 64gig at least.
even if it is only to run the o.s.?
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32gig should be plenty big for just the OS and a few other hard drive intensive programs.

Only thing is, and I have no expirience with SSD's, but I didnt think you could run a SSD and disk hard drives together or am I imagining things?
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32gig should be plenty big for just the OS and a few other hard drive intensive programs.

Only thing is, and I have no expirience with SSD's, but I didnt think you could run a SSD and disk hard drives together or am I imagining things?
i haven't heard that???
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Maybe Im thinking SATA and IDE drives. I know you cant mix them but I thought I heard the same with SSD and disk based drives.
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Maybe Im thinking SATA and IDE drives. I know you cant mix them but I thought I heard the same with SSD and disk based drives.
can't mix as in use ide and sata in raid?

you can have both ide and sata drives on most motherboards. hell the computer i am on now has 2 sata drives and 3 ide drives.
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Really? I know for a fact when Sata came out you couldnt mix the two. I tried on my old desktop so I could transfer all the crap on my IDE to my SATA and it wouldnt and same for a co-worker. He returned 3 Sata drives before he finally called tech support and figured out he couldnt mix the two.
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Really? I know for a fact when Sata came out you couldnt mix the two. I tried on my old desktop so I could transfer all the crap on my IDE to my SATA and it wouldnt and same for a co-worker. He returned 3 Sata drives before he finally called tech support and figured out he couldnt mix the two.
crazy i just transferred data this weekend from the ide to sata
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Yeah I googled it and it is completely possible. Im guessing back then it was a motherboard limitation. No telling. But I also googled mixing SSD's and HHD's and it looks like that is possible as well so Im talking out of my ass

Yeah your setup looks like the way to go and I may be building a new media center after the first of the year and I may go that route as well. SSD's are crazy expensive so mixing the two seems like a great option!
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I am going to build a new rip machine/media storage.

I plan on installing a 32gb solid state drive for the o.s. only
2 1tb sata drives for storage
4 gb of ddr3 ram
AMD 3 quad core processor

The only purpose of this machine will be for media storage, the occasional web browsing, and the ever less occasional photo-shop.

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man that's a small drive for your primary... I have windows 7 on this system, I've been running it for about a month now. So it's a relatively new instance. My windows 7 directory is 13GB by itself. My program files directory is 34GB. I have 1 game installed on this computer.

Might want to think about that.

You can certainly run an SSD and HDD's on the same system. You cannot however (or would not want to) put them them in a RAID array, since the SSD is so much faster, it would essentially be slowed down to the speed of your slowest HDD, sitting there paging.
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My dell 620 laptop is a file server/torrent server and shares out a 2tb usb drive to the network. I had it running 30gb drive as an OS and noticed that it was a bit small. I run a kingston 64gb ssd v-series, its not that great but works great in this setup. Runs filezilla, and utorrent and plays 1080p content great


You'll be fine with the 30gb, but I would up it to 64 to give you more room for future ideas.

If you don't mind waiting a bit, read up on these.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1111/1/

Poor man's intel g2. I'm picking one up asap I could care less for incredible write speeds, the random small writes would interest me more. Its just a boot drive ya know.


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thiscat200 said i could get away with the 32gb ssd for os; as long as i setup my documents, and storage folders to all go to the 500-1tb sata drives.
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thiscat200 said i could get away with the 32gb ssd for os; as long as i setup my documents, and storage folders to all go to the 500-1tb sata drives.
Yeah you can, but you said it your self this will be a " rip machine/media storage."

What documents would you want/need to store locally? I don't really think this computer would be for personal use (office productivity, etc.....) unless you have other intentions for it.

If you do'nt have the 1tb drives already, Fry's has a deal on 5900 green drives (I think WD) for 59.99 right now. Well they were on sale this past weekend, but it may be worth a shot to check em out.

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The only problem with a small SSD is that the medium has a limited number of read/write cycles. The drives have firmware that spreads the usage around the drive so that it "wears" evenly, the smaller the drive and the larger amount of the space used limits this.

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The only problem with a small SSD is that the medium has a limited number of read/write cycles. The drives have firmware that spreads the usage around the drive so that it "wears" evenly, the smaller the drive and the larger amount of the space used limits this.
It's highly over sensationalized, an SSD even with write cycle limitations will last longer than a HDD. Whether it lasts 7 years or 12 years it's still going to be a doorstop in 4 years.
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It's highly over sensationalized, an SSD even with write cycle limitations will last longer than a HDD. Whether it lasts 7 years or 12 years it's still going to be a doorstop in 4 years.
Meh, same can be said for mechanical drives albeit with SSD's the "faster" death is inevitable.

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I've been running it for about a month now. So it's a relatively new instance. My windows 7 directory is 13GB by itself. My program files directory is 34GB. I have 1 game installed on this computer.
Man, you need to check you system. I just installed W7 last week and my windows directory is 7 GB and my program files directory is 900 MB. You have a lot more stuff then you're leading on loaded on your computer.

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Meh, same can be said for mechanical drives albeit with SSD's the "faster" death is inevitable.
If you look at the numbers it doesn't even matter, you won't be using either long enough for it to even be a factor. People said the same shit about plasma TV's and the half-life.
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Man, you need to check you system. I just installed W7 last week and my windows directory is 7 GB and my program files directory is 900 MB. You have a lot more stuff then you're leading on loaded on your computer.
I've installed W7 x64 on about 25 workstations and I can tell you W7 Ultimate starts at 10GB and with windows updates, system configs, and memory dump allocation it ends up being around 13-16GB.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...uirements.aspx

16GB required for 32bit, 20GB required for 64 bit. Like I was trying to explain - the actual size of your folder is entirely relative, it will change as the instance matures. Windows doesn't just install itself and then cease to utilize hard drive space, there are many routines and services that require hard drive space. 32GB SSD for your primary W7 partition is not enough in my opinion. If you think it is then give it a shot. My entire point is if the only thing you can stick on that expensive SSD is your OS directory only, why waste the money? Sure it helps boot times, but once you're in windows do you just browse the web and click on the calculator all day? You utilize applications, games, multimedia - all of which you plan to place on a slower hdd, essentially you get into windows quicker, and transitions between basic system files is quicker, but the performance boost isn't where I myself would want it. In 12-24 months time you will look back on how much you paid for a relatively useless 30GB SSD and kick yourself. My personal opinion is the 100gb+ area is when they become a legitimate alternative.

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I've installed W7 x64 on about 25 workstations and I can tell you W7 Ultimate starts at 10GB and with windows updates, system configs, and memory dump allocation it ends up being around 13-16GB.
Here is a brand new fresh install of Windows 7 Ultimate with all patches. As you will see it is not 10 GB...just sayin.



I do agree that the Window folder is relative and does grow incrementally. What I was alluding to is that you said your program files directory was 34GB so you clearly have more installed then just the OS and a game.
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Here is a brand new fresh install of Windows 7 Ultimate with all patches. As you will see it is not 10 GB...just sayin.



I do agree that the Window folder is relative and does grow incrementally. What I was alluding to is that you said your program files directory was 34GB so you clearly have more installed then just the OS and a game.
Is that an ultimate install? 7gb is impressive, I didn't realize that install was that small.

EDIT: I just re-read it, must have overlooked the "Windows 7 Ultimate with all patches."

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