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New LG monitor...

My 19" LG 4:3 monitor gave up the ghost today so I went and bought a new one.

LG W2061TQ

20" diagonal 16:9
Resolution 1600 x 900
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Digital Fine Contrast Ratio 50,000:1
Response Time (GTG) 2ms


I really didn't need the most bad ass one there, just a "good" one for editing photos in Lightroom and CS4.

For $160 this wasn't a bad deal, and I really like it now that I've got the drivers installed and it's running.

The old one is still under warranty (about 6 monts left) so I'm gonna send it into LG and they will send me a refurbed one. I guess I'll just sell it for a decent price.

http://www.lge.com/us/computer-produ...W2061TQ-PF.jsp
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Dual screen it

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Dual screen it
I thought about that but I don't really have a place to put another monitor.

I may just keep it and use it incase my laptop screen pukes out.
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I thought about that but I don't really have a place to put another monitor.

I may just keep it and use it incase my laptop screen pukes out.
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Make me a good deal on the refurb Matt.

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When I worked in the gaming industry, all of the artists used CRT monitors. And, if you've ever spent time in front of even a good LCD, darks are completely impossible to differentiate at the last 98% of the hue scale. For instance, on my 22" LCD, I can't even see 48 of the last 96 shades at all, no matter what adjustment. I still do image editing on an LCD now, just because of the convenience, but when I'm doing vector work or t-shirt work I still pull out the CRT.
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Make me a good deal on the refurb Matt.
Let me see what they send me first....

It was one of these:

Model
Brand LG
Model L1933TR-SF
Cabinet Color Silver
Display Screen Size 19"
Widescreen No
Recommended Resolution 1280 x 1024
Viewing Angle 170°(H) / 170°(V)
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 3000:1
Response Time 2ms(GTG)
Horizontal Refresh Rate 30~83kHz
Vertical Refresh Rate 56~75Hz
Display Type SXGA
Connectivity
Input Video Compatibility Analog RGB, Digital
Connectors D-Sub, DVI-D
D-Sub 1
DVI 1
HDMI No
Power
Complies with EPA Energy Star
Power Consumption On: 33W
Standby: 1W


I don't know if they will send me another one, or whatever...
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When I worked in the gaming industry, all of the artists used CRT monitors. And, if you've ever spent time in front of even a good LCD, darks are completely impossible to differentiate at the last 98% of the hue scale. For instance, on my 22" LCD, I can't even see 48 of the last 96 shades at all, no matter what adjustment. I still do image editing on an LCD now, just because of the convenience, but when I'm doing vector work or t-shirt work I still pull out the CRT.
I see what you say, but the new monitor does a pretty damn good job at this:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/C...r_gradient.htm
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Lightroom is awesome! What do you normally do to photos after lightroom?

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Lightroom is awesome! What do you normally do to photos after lightroom?

I import to CS4 and straighten if the horizon is off (which is usually is shooting sports) and then crop.

CS4 has pretty much the same processing as LR though. I may not upgrade to LR3 when it comes out and just upgrade to CS5.
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I see what you say, but the new monitor does a pretty damn good job at this:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/C...r_gradient.htm
looks great on mine too, you just can't see the very last shades of black (they are a single pixel wide each)
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Matt what'd you pick up? I've been looking at several of the HP monitors with the truebrite, i think that's it. Haven't come to a decision yet though.

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looks great on mine too, you just can't see the very last shades of black (they are a single pixel wide each)
Can you really see that on a CRT?
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Can you really see that on a CRT?
Yes you certainly can. When I was working with very dark artwork, I simple could not see what the hell I was doing on an LCD.

the tread on this truck's tires was not visible on an LCD when it was being edited. I had to edit it with a brightness mask, and then remove it and save the file.

Even though, I'd like to make a point that for photography work, it really doesn't matter. I just wanted to make note of the limitations that LCD still seem to have. I have yet to see an OLED screen, I have a feeling it will be much better. LG makes great screens - so does samsung. Of the two, I've found LG's to be more accurate.

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I still like the Samsungs.

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Matt what'd you pick up? I've been looking at several of the HP monitors with the truebrite, i think that's it. Haven't come to a decision yet though.
http://www.lge.com/us/computer-produ...W2061TQ-PF.jsp

My computer armoir is only 21 inches wide. I'd love to have gotten a 23" diagonal, but they would not have fit.

So, I went with the 20" screen.
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Yes you certainly can. When I was working with very dark artwork, I simple could not see what the hell I was doing on an LCD.

the tread on this truck's tires was not visible on an LCD when it was being edited. I had to edit it with a brightness mask, and then remove it and save the file.

Even though, I'd like to make a point that for photography work, it really doesn't matter. I just wanted to make note of the limitations that LCD still seem to have. I have yet to see an OLED screen, I have a feeling it will be much better. LG makes great screens - so does samsung. Of the two, I've found LG's to be more accurate.
I see what you mean. The back tire seems to blend in with the truck, but that's only when I analyze it to the last degree. For just looking at the pic, it looks fine.
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I see what you mean. The back tire seems to blend in with the truck, but that's only when I analyze it to the last degree. For just looking at the pic, it looks fine.
Well it's not on the rendered model that it's applicable. Lighting, bump mapping, and specular highlighting all add algorithms to increase brightness. The actual texture itself is not visible on an LCD - but the data is clearly there when you render it, and the brightness is increased. On the render you can see the tread, on the actual texture they are black squares with no detail. It's stuff like that which makes LCD's inferior to CRT's. You can always work around it, but I just wanted to give an example as to why LCD's have a long way to go.
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Well it's not on the rendered model that it's applicable. Lighting, bump mapping, and specular highlighting all add algorithms to increase brightness. The actual texture itself is not visible on an LCD - but the data is clearly there when you render it, and the brightness is increased. On the render you can see the tread, on the actual texture they are black squares with no detail. It's stuff like that which makes LCD's inferior to CRT's. You can always work around it, but I just wanted to give an example as to why LCD's have a long way to go.
Damn, and I was liking my flat screen......

So, are plasma monitors any better than LCDs when it comes to post processing?
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Damn, and I was liking my flat screen......

So, are plasma monitors any better than LCDs when it comes to post processing?
they are better on the darks, but they are not for static images, you wouldn't want one for a primary monitor, especially for artwork. I think the trade off in convenience makes the LCD the best choice nowadays. I was just saying CRT's do have advantages.
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haha 10-bit Grayscale monitor. It'll probably get the job done.
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