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How do you keep from getting scammed with PayPal?

After years of refusing to join PayPal, it looked like the only way I was going to sell one of my Nikon lenses was to make the transaction on PayPal.

How the hell do you protect yourself on this?

I was paid by the buyer, but what keeps them from claiming you sent them a box of rocks insteaf of a $1,000 camera lens???
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people's fear of bad feed back. plus i think paypal insures items up to a certain amount.

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When someone buys something from me with paypal.... I use my Paypal debit card and withdraw the money at the ATM before I ship. That way, if they bought something from an empty bank account with auto-withdraw through paypal and Paypal finds out the funds arent there, they can't put a hold on my money why they try to get it back from the buyer.... especially if I have already shipped the item. I know from experience....
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When someone buys something from me with paypal.... I use my Paypal debit card and withdraw the money at the ATM before I ship. That way, if they bought something from an empty bank account with auto-withdraw through paypal and Paypal finds out the funds arent there, they can't put a hold on my money why they try to get it back from the buyer.... especially if I have already shipped the item. I know from experience....

I tried to transfer the money from the sale to my bank account but I can't because I have to enter a tracking number.
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fuck paypals just use money orders or something... everyone is a scam artist.

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I've been using PayPal for 7 years with over 100 transactions and not a single problem. The one time a seller tried to screw me they got me my money back. I've just done the normal crap with them, nothing special, and never had a problem.
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If you're an eBay user, paypal makes life soooo easy! I trust and like it.
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I've only had one bad issue with paypal and that was on a non-ebay transaction. Other than that I'm back on ebay using them and it's nice

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I've been using PayPal for 7 years with over 100 transactions and not a single problem. The one time a seller tried to screw me they got me my money back. I've just done the normal crap with them, nothing special, and never had a problem.
So had I until I sold a 1000 dollar video card to Australia, and the guy had a bad address listed in his paypal account.

I sent the item, with tracking, etc, via USPS with customs forms, etc...

He claimed he never got the item. When I checked the tracking number it showed it was at the post office in Australia, "undeliverable address".

He put in a dispute with Paypal. I sent them all the forms I had, from customs, USPS, even the tracking number and status. They gave him a refund, with no real explanation to me. But I still didn't have my item.

Fast forward 6 months, I get my video card back finally from USPS. Now the value of the card is around 500 dollars, and I have a negative balance with Paypal, as I took the money out as soon as the transaction cleared, as does everyone I assume.

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Paypal is nothing but a bunch of crooks! I sold a wedge about 3 months ago and the guy who bought it just recently filed an issue with his credit card saying the charge was unauthorized. What burns me is I provided Paypal with every bit of information that I could find. It included the ad that he purchased from, shipping with confirmed delivery at Paypal confirmed address with signature, and proof that he contacted me 3 times before he ever purchased the item. It would seem to me that even a child could figure out that he was scamming me. So after you provide Paypal with all of that information you have to wait like 3 weeks for a resolution, all the while they are holding the money that is in question in some mythical holding account.

Anyways, they found in the favor of this fuckstick and took my $47 and topped it off with a $10 processing fee. You may be asking yourself, did I get my wedge back? Fuck no, it is God knows where by now. So now I am out $57 and my wedge.

I called Paypal to inquire what the fuck was going on and by no means did I get a satisfactory answer. I asked them if I wanted to purchase something and then get my money back all I had to do is file a claim with my credit card, and no matter what kind of proof the other person has, I get my money back. The response was classic- "I wouldn't recommend you doing that sir". I responded with "but I could do that and it would work, wouldn't it?" All I got was "I wouldn't recommend you doing that sir."

Go to screwpaypal.com. It will make your jaw hit the ground. There are things you can do to protect yourself as a seller, but in the end, if someone wants to stick you Paypal will let them.
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After years of refusing to join PayPal, it looked like the only way I was going to sell one of my Nikon lenses was to make the transaction on PayPal.

How the hell do you protect yourself on this?

I was paid by the buyer, but what keeps them from claiming you sent them a box of rocks insteaf of a $1,000 camera lens???
Keep all documentation of shipment. Paypal will not automatically side with the buyer. It will listen to both sides.
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If the address is confirmed in PayPal, then you have complete buyer/seller protection with your transaction.

I've had great experiences with PayPal. When you ship an item like that you ship it with Delivery Confirmation if using USPS. Or if you ship it via UPS you will have a tracking number, which shows proof that you send the item. PayPal will side with you on a claim if you produce a tracking number. I've experienced that first hand.

They will also take your seller reputation into account as well. They will look at things like frequent claims or other behavior that would indicate fraud.

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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After reading this, I went and checked my paypal account and I've got a dispute going right now. They froze the money is question and because the buyer states he never recieved the item. I just gave PayPal my UPS tracking number so well see what happens. I'll keep you updated.

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If the address is confirmed in PayPal, then you have complete buyer/seller protection with your transaction.

I've had great experiences with PayPal. When you ship an item like that you ship it with Delivery Confirmation if using USPS. Or if you ship it via UPS you will have a tracking number, which shows proof that you send the item. PayPal will side with you on a claim if you produce a tracking number. I've experienced that first hand.

They will also take your seller reputation into account as well. They will look at things like frequent claims or other behavior that would indicate fraud.
go read my post... it doesn't work that way, I provided them all of that information, even a printout of the address i shipped to from their site.

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go read my post... it doesn't work that way, I provided them all of that information, even a printout of the address i shipped to from their site.
I read it. And I'll try to say this another way since it didn't come across the first time. You will never lose a claim if you ship to a confirmed address. I've won two separate claims on this basis through PayPal. PayPal only sucks for the people who don't follow the rules and stipulations. Otherwise, it always works perfect. 4 years and running for me with 73 transactions recorded through PayPal. Two claims filed against me and won both because I followed their suggestions to the letter.

The reason you lost the claim is quite clear.

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Extra Fraud Protection for Transactions

PayPal offers confirmed addresses to help:

* Guard against stolen credit cards.
* Prevent identity theft.
* Decrease chances of receiving a fraud related chargeback.

What is a confirmed address?

* When a buyer’s credit card billing and shipping addresses are the same.
* In some cases, PayPal has examined the buyer’s PayPal account history.

Shipping to an unconfirmed address.

Most unconfirmed addresses are not fraudulent, and sellers don’t usually experience problems with them. When you do ship to an unconfirmed address, PayPal encourages you to be alert and minimize risk by following our Security Tips for Sellers.



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post #16 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-10-2008, 11:53 AM
 
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I shipped to a Paypal confirmed address and still lost. I even had delivery confirmation. You ask how could this be, and I will tell you. Because his credit card was involved. I too have won resolutions based on this fact, but looking back, it was all dealing in amounts that the person paid with that already existed in their Paypal accounts- never dealing with a credit card. Not such a clear story when the person files with their credit card that the charge was unauthorized, in my experience and in the experiences of others, you will lose that argument everytime- no matter the documentation.
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post #17 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-10-2008, 03:04 PM
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When I use Paypal I'll only ship to a confirmed address. And will only ship to the lower 48 states. If you live in Australia and want to buy something I have for sale, then too bad.

Even with the confirmed address, you can still get screwed. Anyone can file a credit card dispute or say they didn't authorize the charge or they didn't get what they purchased.
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