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Securing my internet

My roommate just took the password off our internet so his buddy down stairs can get on in, but our whole f*ing apartment building is using it right now. All I am trying to do is take the cord from the original internet box that normally plugs into the wireless router and plug that cat 5 cable directly into my computer, but when I do it doesn't work. The lights come on where it plugs into my computer (1 green, 1 orange) showing activity, but when I go to load a page online it gives me the generic "this page cannot be displayed" screen.

Sorry if this is something really, really basic but I'm clueless when it comes to stuff like this. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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For your average run of the mill dumbass a WEP key should be more than enough. You should be able to set it up through your routers interface. Just make sure you remember what it is so that you can give it out to those who need it. Better yet, don't give it out, have them bring their machine to you for you to input the key.
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Sooo, makes MUCH more sense to just secure it up and do what racrguy suggested.

Now, it could just be that 1 person is sucking up all your bandwidth anyway.

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Okay, I have a dumb question... How can you tell if someone in fact is using your wireless router? I have wireless set up in my apt. and have no WEP or security turned on and have never had a problem, but how can I know for sure if someone is bogarting my bandwidth?

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Okay, I have a dumb question... How can you tell if someone in fact is using your wireless router? I have wireless set up in my apt. and have no WEP or security turned on and have never had a problem, but how can I know for sure if someone is bogarting my bandwidth?

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Depending on what brand of router you have it will have a section in the interface that shows connected devices.

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Sniff all their packets and reset their passwords. That will teach em a lesson.

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Sniff all their packets and reset their passwords. That will teach em a lesson.
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Depending on what brand of router you have it will have a section in the interface that shows connected devices.
Standard Linksys WRT54G

I don't think I have ever even gone into the setup.
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Fuck all these ideas.

Sniff all their packets and reset their passwords. That will teach em a lesson.

lol...he's having trouble connecting directly to his router and you think he's going to start watching traffic and hack someones network???

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Depending on what brand of router you have it will have a section in the interface that shows connected devices.

Where exactly is this interface? Does it come on the supplied disc? I have never bothered to look at it and you got me interested to see if there is anyone out there. Probly not though.

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Where exactly is this interface? Does it come on the supplied disc? I have never bothered to look at it and you got me interested to see if there is anyone out there. Probly not though.
In your address bar type 192.168.1.1. This will typically get you to the router, you then need to login. Try admin for username and password for password or admin1-password or admin-password1 or some combination of them will likely get you in.

Hunt will likely know the default username and password for the WRT54G





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In your address bar type 192.168.1.1. This will typically get you to the router, you then need to login. Try admin for username and password for password or admin1-password or admin-password1 or some combination of them will likely get you in.

Hunt will likely know the default username and password for the WRT54G

It will actually have all the info you need on the back of the router itself.

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wrt54g no username and the password is admin.

In the status section click on wireless or local network and then DHCP clients table, this will give the pc name and ip that is connected.
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wrt54g no username and the password is admin.

In the status section click on wireless or local network and then DHCP clients table, this will give the pc name and ip that is connected.

Sweet... thanks, I found someone's Lenovo lappie stealing my shit. There is a checkbox and a delete button, so I did that on his IP, I assume all he will have to do is reboot or just reconnect to my network and he will be back on. Is there a way to refuse access to his IP address, or do I have to enable WEP?

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Sweet... thanks, I found someone's Lenovo lappie stealing my shit. There is a checkbox and a delete button, so I did that on his IP, I assume all he will have to do is reboot or just reconnect to my network and he will be back on. Is there a way to refuse access to his IP address, or do I have to enable WEP?

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WEP would be the simplest for you and also assumes he's not savvy enough to "discover" the WEP Key.





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Sweet... thanks, I found someone's Lenovo lappie stealing my shit. There is a checkbox and a delete button, so I did that on his IP, I assume all he will have to do is reboot or just reconnect to my network and he will be back on. Is there a way to refuse access to his IP address, or do I have to enable WEP?

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Yes, you need to enable at least WEP or WPA Personal (ideally) over wireless.

You can also just block his MAC address and he's dead in the water. Once you're logged into the Linksys router. Status > Local Networks > DHCP Clients Table > See list of IP addresses and MAC addresses for every machine running on your network.

Enter the offending MAC address into the router. Wireless > Wireless MAC Filter > Enable filter > Prevent PCs > Edit MAC Filter list > enter MAC & save.

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Just click wireless and enable WEP.

I have two Ethernet Bridges on my network also that are providing access for my RePlayTV's and I don't want to phuq those up...thats why I have never enabled any security. I haven't ever had a problem, my shit has always worked...just wonder how to do it if I choose to.
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I have two Ethernet Bridges on my network also that are providing access for my RePlayTV's and I don't want to phuq those up...thats why I have never enabled any security. I haven't ever had a problem, my shit has always worked...just wonder how to do it if I choose to.
Then take my advice. You don't have to enable wireless security if you enable MAC filtering.

Next time he's online just take note of his MAC address and enter it into the filter. You can keep your network wide open and the bandwidth thief can't log into it. And you can just do that on a case by case basis.

The instructions are in my previous post.

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Then take my advice. You don't have to enable wireless security if you enable MAC filtering.

Next time he's online just take note of his MAC address and enter it into the filter. You can keep your network wide open and the bandwidth thief can't log into it. And you can just do that on a case by case basis.

The instructions are in my previous post.
Cool, I'll do it. When I pull up the list of DHCP clients, there are 4...should be 3 if I am correct. My laptop and my two bridges...however the description/name area is blank on all but my laptop. Does this only show wireless connected MAC's or all? I wonder if my Xbox360 is one or my box for my Charter cable phone service is one, they are both hardwired with ethernet cables though.
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I dont use WEP. Seems sometimes I have to re-enter the network info to get a computer to connect. I've always just used mac address filtering... It allows ONLY MY computers to connect. Sure you have to put each MAC address in that u want to have access... but it blocks anything NOT on the list and I've never had a problem.


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Cool, I'll do it. When I pull up the list of DHCP clients, there are 4...should be 3 if I am correct. My laptop and my two bridges...however the description/name area is blank on all but my laptop. Does this only show wireless connected MAC's or all? I wonder if my Xbox360 is one or my box for my Charter cable phone service is one, they are both hardwired with ethernet cables though.
The DHCP Clients Table will show everything that is connected to your network wired or wireless. For example, I can see my Vonage phone adapter IP/MAC and it's plugged in via Ethernet. And I also see my two wireless computers and one wireless printer.

To determine what belongs to what...All network capable devices will have a MAC address stamped or stenciled somewhere on the device or operators manual.

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Just for the hell of it, I checked again...now some MF'ers iPhone is attached and another laptop. MAC's copied and pasted... CLICK...GONE.

They want to use my bandwidth...come knock on my door and we can work a dealio out.. $10 a month...unlimited use.
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Just for the hell of it, I checked again...now some MF'ers iPhone is attached and another laptop. MAC's copied and pasted... CLICK...GONE.

They want to use my bandwidth...come knock on my door and we can work a dealio out.. $10 a month...unlimited use.

In the iPhone guys defense those damn things will connect to damn near anything that broadcasts. How about you turn off radio broadcasts once you have your connections established ??

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Then take my advice. You don't have to enable wireless security if you enable MAC filtering.

Next time he's online just take note of his MAC address and enter it into the filter. You can keep your network wide open and the bandwidth thief can't log into it. And you can just do that on a case by case basis.

The instructions are in my previous post.
So I entered the MAC address of the guys iPhone and denied it. Well it was back about two hours later, how can that happen? Exact same MAC

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So I entered the MAC address of the guys iPhone and denied it. Well it was back about two hours later, how can that happen? Exact same MAC

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after you added it, did you make sure and save it at the bottom of the page
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Yeah, I saved on the list box and the bottom of the access page.
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Can't you set it to only allow certain MAC addresses instead of playing whack-a-mole with every one that pops up or does that require the key/password bit?
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Can't you set it to only allow certain MAC addresses instead of playing whack-a-mole with every one that pops up or does that require the key/password bit?

Looks like you can do it either way.
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Okay ....new question for you gurus. Since I have these people's IP's and MAC's, is there a protocol I can use to send them a message or an IM-like popup that is either built into Vista or easily D/L'able? They are using my bandwidth, I should be able to screw with them I think..

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Looks like you can do it either way.
So why not set to allow only and enter the one's you want to grant access to? Too easy?
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So why not set to allow only and enter the one's you want to grant access to? Too easy?
No, I could do that (and probably will end up doing it if this doesn't work) but I do like continually kicking them offline. But I really want to be able to send them an IM-like message somehow, I bet there is a way....just have to find the right person.

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No, I could do that (and probably will end up doing it if this doesn't work) but I do like continually kicking them offline. But I really want to be able to send them an IM-like message somehow, I bet there is a way....just have to find the right person.

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What is that? I did just so happen to upgrade the firmware to the latest patch last night...man I was like 4 versions behind.
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They want to use my bandwidth...come knock on my door and we can work a dealio out.. $10 a month...unlimited use.

I wonder if that's against the law? It almost sounds like it would be but you never know. Not that i would care, but just curious.

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I wonder if that's against the law? It almost sounds like it would be but you never know. Not that i would care, but just curious.

It is.

http://news.cnet.com/FAQ-Wi-Fi-mooch...3-5778822.html


That doesn't make much sense. Is there a specific law that regulates Wi-Fi access?
Sort of. The primary law is the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

You can read it for yourself, but the important part (check out paragraph (a)(2)) covers anyone who "intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access." Nobody knows exactly what that means in terms of wireless connections. The law was written in 1986 to punish computer hacking--and nobody contemplated 802.1x wireless links back then.

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So I entered the MAC address of the guys iPhone and denied it. Well it was back about two hours later, how can that happen? Exact same MAC

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Arrgh... he's back...same MAC address again even though it is already "blocked"

How is that?

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Arrgh... he's back...same MAC address again even though it is already "blocked"

How is that?

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Sounds like you're not doing something right. I use MAC filtering on a Linksys WRT54GS and it works. They cannot log onto the network. I've even tested by putting my wireless printer MAC into the filter. And it stops working and is unable to get an IP address from the router.

I have a feeling you aren't using the filter correctly. It might be easier for you to go to option #2. And that is only allowing your own device MACs to access the network and block all other MACs by default.

You can use the filter one of two ways.

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post #46 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-20-2008, 08:47 PM
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Sounds like you're not doing something right. I use MAC filtering on a Linksys WRT54GS and it works. They cannot log onto the network. I've even tested by putting my wireless printer MAC into the filter. And it stops working and is unable to get an IP address from the router.

I have a feeling you aren't using the filter correctly. It might be easier for you to go to option #2. And that is only allowing your own device MACs to access the network and block all other MACs by default.

You can use the filter one of two ways.
It is likely connecting, but not routing. He will be able to connect to the network, but he wont get an IP.

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post #47 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-20-2008, 09:02 PM
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It is likely connecting, but not routing. He will be able to connect to the network, but he wont get an IP.

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This last time it assigned him an IP...I made note of it and ALSO put the IP in as a blocked IP....
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post #48 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-21-2008, 05:06 PM
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Okay someone that knows Linksys routers check me...

This time instead of putting the offending MAC's in the Access Restrictions>edit list of PCs list

I put them in - Wireless>Wireless MAC Filter

Will this make the difference? If so... what in the world is the first list I was using for, if not to grant or take away rights of MACs?

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post #49 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-21-2008, 06:02 PM
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Are you being serious?

Take another look at Post #18. I gave you detailed instructions on how to do it and so has others. I have the same firmware and GUI.

49 posts later you're still asking how to do it. Not trying to be a prick, but come on. It shouldn't take 50 posts to tell you how to use your MAC filter.

Post #18 has detailed instructions and it works perfectly.

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post #50 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-21-2008, 08:29 PM
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Are you being serious?

Take another look at Post #18. I gave you detailed instructions on how to do it and so has others. I have the same firmware and GUI.

49 posts later you're still asking how to do it. Not trying to be a prick, but come on. It shouldn't take 50 posts to tell you how to use your MAC filter.

Post #18 has detailed instructions and it works perfectly.
I guess I read it wrong back on post 18.... I saw a list where you could enter MAC's and it said MAC filter so I have been using it. Can you explain what that is for, if not to prevent people from attaching to your router?
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