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IT guys... Which certificate is best?

Going back to school this semester to work on getting one of my certificates, but at this point i am not sure which one is best to work on. I just took classes that they all have in common this time, but i don't think that will be possible next time. As there will not be any left that they all have in common. I am talking about those computer/IT certificates you can take classes and get at your local community college. There was like six different certificates, and while i realize that i made need them all to actually get a good job... Is there one that i can complete and maybe get a lower job? Figured i would ask here as i knew this was what you some of you guys do for a living.

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I've got a few certs. and CCNA will open some doors for you.

Believe it or not, the one that helped me the most when I first started in IT was CompTIA A+ For some reason I got a lot of calls as result of having that particular cert. The recruiters do key word searches on Monster and Dice. They will a lot of the times just conduct a keyword search based on cert. acronyms and geographical location.

I started out doing hardware and break fix stuff. It's great experience, but the money is in networking and Unix & Microsoft IIs administration.

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Thanks for the replies. I must admit i know almost nothing about what each certificate actually teaches. Maybe i did not word that right. I don't know what they acronyms stand for. Well maybe it is right. What is the Cisco stuff about? I am really just beginning and im afraid i have no idea where to start.

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CCNA is trash. Go to school for oracle and you'll be able to ask 70k - 100k out of the box. Oracle DBA is pretty much where its at, there isnt many of them, and of those in the US, its mostly Indians that speak shit English.

If you have to ask what is the CCNA stuff about, you should probably go for something else like a MCP -_- No offense.

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CCNA is trash. Go to school for oracle and you'll be able to ask 70k - 100k out of the box. Oracle DBA is pretty much where its at, there isnt many of them, and of those in the US, its mostly Indians that speak shit English.

If you have to ask what is the CCNA stuff about, you should probably go for something else like a MCP -_- No offense.
If you're shooting for 100k+ then CCNA is still a fine place to start, you'll just want to make sure you go through the rest of the courses and get CCIE.

CCNA
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Although there is money to be made in the Cisco world when you have experience and can do work your average CCNA/CCNP can't do - if you don't have basic networking down - DBA might be where it is at.

I HIGHLY recommend the CCNA cert for anyone in IT though. Nothing is more frustrating than arguing with an IT person, showing proof and other documentation that you can't possible fix anything and that person still being convinced it is a "network" issue. Than 2 weeks later finding out they fixed whatever it was or it was that was completely non-network related.

CCNA will teach you the basics of the route/switch world. Even though it is from a Cisco point of view, IP is IP.

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the CCNA is a good easy cert if you want to do networking.. i had to renew mine recently and the test was pretty easy.. in an out in about 17 min after really only skimming over the book. its mostly just general networking with a few subnetting questions and router ACL sims..
if you want to get into DBA. like abex said.. Oracle is the way to go.

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If you're shooting for 100k+ then CCNA is still a fine place to start, you'll just want to make sure you go through the rest of the courses and get CCIE.

CCNA
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CCIE are all cisco certs, cisco = networking shit just so ya know.
I've yet to see any fresh out of college ccna making over 70k nick, you'd have to have hella backing on a resume to come out of the starting gate making that. On the other hand I've seen a ton of Oracle DBAs pretty much asking whatever they want and getting it. The gap between CCNA and CCNP let alone CCIE is pretty substantial in terms of pay, and ability ( well at least according to the cert ). I wish more certs were lab tests.

BTW, I'm not dogging on the CCNA, i think its a great cert, i was just basing my two cents off the original posters current knowledge level that he seemed to have about the best avenue.

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I've yet to see any fresh out of college ccna making over 70k nick, you'd have to have hella backing on a resume to come out of the starting gate making that. On the other hand I've seen a ton of Oracle DBAs pretty much asking whatever they want and getting it. The gap between CCNA and CCNP let alone CCIE is pretty substantial in terms of pay, and ability ( well at least according to the cert ). I wish more certs were lab tests.

BTW, I'm not dogging on the CCNA, i think its a great cert, i was just basing my two cents off the original posters current knowledge level that he seemed to have about the best avenue.
Its all good homie, I havent seen any out of collegers making that kinda change doing anything. I just was just defending the CCNA against
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Actually in this day and age the CCNP is not a high end cert anymore. In higher end Cisco work it requires a specialization. RIGHT NOW, voice and wireless are the hot potatoes followed by security. I'm talking people who have experience in these matters, just being certified is not sufficient in the current market. Which of course supports what you're saying AbecX.

Also - not all CCIE certifications are equal. The route/switch CCIEs are fairly common, but the voice CCIEs are not as common and it is very difficult to obtain. Just like the difference between CCNP and CCVP.

They are beta testing a CCIE wireless written test soon, so that will be a big cert to have if/when they come up with a lab for it.

Regardless, experience makes you good - but certs help make you better and get you in the door at companies. Regardless if is a consultant type job or support.

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CCNA is trash. Go to school for oracle and you'll be able to ask 70k - 100k out of the box. Oracle DBA is pretty much where its at, there isnt many of them, and of those in the US, its mostly Indians that speak shit English.

If you have to ask what is the CCNA stuff about, you should probably go for something else like a MCP -_- No offense.
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I just was just defending the CCNA against You know how us network folks do
I do think CCNA is trash unless you've got a nice resume behind it, CCNA alone these days without a degree or a few years experience just isn't what it used to be. Its still a strong cert though, a lot stronger than the other baseline ones, just not make alot of money on its own strong.

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I do think CCNA is trash unless you've got a nice resume behind it, CCNA alone these days without a degree or a few years experience just isn't what it used to be. Its still a strong cert though, a lot stronger than the other baseline ones, just not make alot of money on its own strong.

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I do think CCNA is trash unless you've got a nice resume behind it, CCNA alone these days without a degree or a few years experience just isn't what it used to be. Its still a strong cert though, a lot stronger than the other baseline ones, just not make alot of money on its own strong.

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What's MCP? But uh, is one certificate enough to at least get a job? I can get the rest as i go. Does not have to be a really good job to start off with. How many certificates do you guys have?

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Alright, there are 2 types of certs...

Vendor specific....
Cisco: CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, CCVP...CCIE...etc
Microsoft: MCP, MCSE...etc
Other vendors...

No Vendor Specific:
Network+, A+ etc

It'll behoove you to google these things to learn the most. I'm a Cisco guy and am biased as are other people who do what they do.

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Oh and you can possibly get a job with a cert, but you're not going to make much for the most part. Experience, with certs is where you make money that management make in the technical world.

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What's MCP? But uh, is one certificate enough to at least get a job? I can get the rest as i go. Does not have to be a really good job to start off with. How many certificates do you guys have?
if you have a pulse and can at least do what you're told then you can get a job... believe me... some of the people that work up here cant even meet those requirements and they have jobs
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Going back to school this semester to work on getting one of my certificates, but at this point i am not sure which one is best to work on. I just took classes that they all have in common this time, but i don't think that will be possible next time. As there will not be any left that they all have in common. I am talking about those computer/IT certificates you can take classes and get at your local community college. There was like six different certificates, and while i realize that i made need them all to actually get a good job... Is there one that i can complete and maybe get a lower job? Figured i would ask here as i knew this was what you some of you guys do for a living.

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why the fuck do you want to work in IT anyhow? I can think of a million better jobs than fucking with routers/servers/computers and retards for a living. If you dont even know what sort of IT shit that you'd have an interest in then let me say you probably wont have an interest in any of it. The only perk it has going for it is fat people get to sit on their fat asses all day. I've worked in IT for about 10 years now and its some boring shit!
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Well, i don't want to be rude or offend anyone here, so feel free not to answer if you don't want to. But can anyone give me an idea of pay scales? I might need to ask for cert specific for this info to be of any use to me. I mean take CCNA for example. Abec said it's not worth to much. So that makes me wonder... say i got that one, and i have just come out of school. I got the cert, but no actual on the job experience. If i only have that one, what kind of money should i expect? $10 per hour, or similar salary? Perhaps it's $15/hr? Can anyone give me an idea?

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Well, i don't want to be rude or offend anyone here, so feel free not to answer if you don't want to. But can anyone give me an idea of pay scales? I might need to ask for cert specific for this info to be of any use to me. I mean take CCNA for example. Abec said it's not worth to much. So that makes me wonder... say i got that one, and i have just come out of school. I got the cert, but no actual on the job experience. If i only have that one, what kind of money should i expect? $10 per hour, or similar salary? Perhaps it's $15/hr? Can anyone give me an idea?
I figure you should be paid about 40k to do noc work with a CCNA.

I was many moons ago.

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Well, i don't want to be rude or offend anyone here, so feel free not to answer if you don't want to. But can anyone give me an idea of pay scales? I might need to ask for cert specific for this info to be of any use to me. I mean take CCNA for example. Abec said it's not worth to much. So that makes me wonder... say i got that one, and i have just come out of school. I got the cert, but no actual on the job experience. If i only have that one, what kind of money should i expect? $10 per hour, or similar salary? Perhaps it's $15/hr? Can anyone give me an idea?
most of that work is salary. CCNA can easily make 50k-70k if you know how to market yourself. i've never been able to sell myself for more than i think i'm worth, but i've learned how to do it now that i know i'm not a total idiot in the business world. but then again you dont have any exeprience, so you'd be at the lower end of that pay scale. if you dont hold out and just grab any job, then yeah 40-50k for a ccna newbie would be about right.

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most of that work is salary. CCNA can easily make 50k-70k if you know how to market yourself. i've never been able to sell myself for more than i think i'm worth, but i've learned how to do it now that i know i'm not a total idiot in the business world. but then again you dont have any exeprience, so you'd be at the lower end of that pay scale. if you dont hold out and just grab any job, then yeah 40-50k for a ccna newbie would be about right.
Well thats actually a little more than i was expecting, so i guess i am pleasantly surprised. I looked around for the ORACLE you were talking about, but i don't think my local community college offers it. Does it have to do with networking like CCNA, or is it just a programming language?

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Oracle is a networking based cert, with a linux backend, using php. Its top standard in the topology of choice for upper echelon businesses. You will need at least a 1800 USCF rating and a minor in databasing to really score a quality job in that bracket. I recommend at least 2 level 70's in world of warcraft and at least 1 in tier 6 badge gear.

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You need enough money to pay someone, or several people for marketing and sales. Otherwise you're never going to grow beyond your personal potential.
We've been trying to find a sales guy, but no luck, we have a good idea though to get our name out shortly.

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Possibly radio advertising? Newspapers.. the phone book maybe? If it were me i would try all the old methods like that first and just see what happens. As for the WoW stuff, if thats what it takes im already qualified! More than qualified!

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WTF a 7-day course, for two certs???

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You will fail the CCDA with that course without a doubt. I've taken over 20 Cisco exams and the CCDA exam rates in the top 5 in terms of hardness.

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Hmm... well that makes me wonder. How many certs, are worth how much money? The more certs you have, the more money you make guaranteed? I mean, if you have several low end (or not as good as they used to be) certs, would that be about the same as having just one low end cert? Seeing as how you are about the same value to the employer, i mean. Just trying to get an understanding of it all.

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certs dont equal money. you really so far behind the curve right now even if you had a ccna i wouldnt expect more than $40k, you have zero experience. just like being ASE certified doesnt mean you're not going to be changing someones oil. here is a simple formula.

Experience = profit
Experience + Certs = easier to find profit.
Certs !experience = entry level.

Companies like certs because of its selling point to customers, none of the base line certs are really a good judge of someones shit anyway, its just nice to say "our support staff is all xx certified, is competitors A's?"

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Well, just as an update it's kinda weird cause my local college is dropping most of their CCNA stuff, and next semester they are completing their Oracle cert program. Screw it, guess i will just dive right into that one. What's the worst that could happen? I fail? At least i will come out having learned something at that alone makes it worth it to me. Really don't care about any money lost over it at this point. Not saying i wont strive to pass though. Teacher explained some things to me last night saying basically what was said here. That CCNA is not all that great anymore, and that the college likes to keep with the times and what will most benefit their students.

What about the MSCS, or whatever that broad and general microsoft one is. She talked a lot about that one like it was something good to have.

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Dude, seriously. Google shit. If you think the CCNA isn't shit - MS certs are even more pathetic.

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I don't really think that, i am just taking yall's word for it.

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Why would you want to dive into something you don't even that you don't even have a clue about? Sounds pretty lame to me. Also, it might be beneficial to you to have some very basic knowledge of the product/platform you're being certified in before taking classes.

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certs dont equal money. you really so far behind the curve right now even if you had a ccna i wouldnt expect more than $40k, you have zero experience. just like being ASE certified doesnt mean you're not going to be changing someones oil. here is a simple formula.

Experience = profit
Experience + Certs = easier to find profit.
Certs !experience = entry level.

Companies like certs because of its selling point to customers, none of the base line certs are really a good judge of someones shit anyway, its just nice to say "our support staff is all xx certified, is competitors A's?"
I agree with the internet god...

one other thing to add.

Degree + Certs = guaranteed profits
Degree + Experience + Certs = True Growth in profits!

I've found over the years, that even though a degree isn't required for a lot of technical jobs, you will find yourself sitting longer in a support roll, rather than a management one, without it.

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