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What causes a CPU or HD to slow down

Lately I have been unable to play Flight Sim X due to extremely long load times and very choppy play. It seems this just happened overnight because I have never had any trouble. I always end all programs before starting FSX, including whatever BS ones are running in task manager. I've run a virus scan and found a few bugs but I'm still experiencing the slow play.

I think I've narrowed it down to the HD or CPU because it's not just game play that's affected, it's load times, delay between me hitting a key and the action taking place, etc. The HD is only a few months old (Seagate 7200rpm) and the processor is a P4 2.27ghz. I know the CPU is old, but like I said, I've never had any problems with it. Task manager shows CPU usage to go back and forth from 60-100% during the game. I can't remember if it's always been this way, but none the less, it is now. I have 1gb of RAM, which isn't great, but should be plenty for this game. Task manager shows a commit charge of 600-800M/1300M during the game.

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its background stuff running...Try doing a full scan with atleast 2 different spyware programs, and again with a virus scan.

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download and run Avast! because it found stuff that most of the retail scanners ignored. Also download PeerGuardian. Its meant to block IP addresses from communicating with you when you're downloading torrents to prevent you from being tracked, but if you run it when you're not running torrents, it will still block communications from spyware and adware programs. If you install it, run it and it is constantly blocking random IPs even when youre not doing anything, chances are you have a virus

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NTFS is crap. You need to be running a de-fragmentation tool at least once a week. The harddrive does not slow down, your operating system is putting shit in random places and is having a hard time trying to keep up because its spindle arm has to bounce all over the place to get data. Contiguizing(is that even a word) the data on the disk will speed up io performance. Spyware is for people that are retarded, my windows box runs just fine for the last 2 years and I don't have a spyware or antivirus up. Just browse smart and keep the piece of shit updated.

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NTFS is crap. You need to be running a de-fragmentation tool at least once a week. The harddrive does not slow down, your operating system is putting shit in random places and is having a hard time trying to keep up because its spindle arm has to bounce all over the place to get data. Contiguizing(is that even a word) the data on the disk will speed up io performance. Spyware is for people that are retarded, my windows box runs just fine for the last 2 years and I don't have a spyware or antivirus up. Just browse smart and keep the piece of shit updated.
I don't have any spyware or antivirus running. I downloaded them to run them once or twice and haven't used them since. The sites I visit consist of message boards and espn.com pretty much. Can you elaborate on the defrag tool and the "contiguizing"?

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Your hard drive is a circle, think of it like a plate. When you eat your dinner, your food is neatly arraigned around the plate, meat, vegetables, potatoes, roll. The food will be data in this analogy.

Well lets say that you have to eat a bunch just for sake of making this analogy work. You constantly add and remove food from the plate, however what if you only eat half of the roll and half of the meat, but you want to put a full piece of new potatoes on the plate? Well, what NTFS will do, is just randomly put those potatoes wherever they will fit, so your food will get mixed up. As you can imagine after a while, you just have a sloth bowl of crap on your plate and if you want to eat just meat, you will have to spend a hell of a lot of time sorting out just the meat from the sloth on your plate.

A hard drive does the same thing, it has an arm that moves up and down while the disk spins, if the data is not in the same place, then it has to move up and down a lot which causes very slow io read/write performance.

When you run a defrag, it searches the plate, and moves everything back together, so if you want to access just the vegetables, you can do it quickly instead of having to pick and choose where its at.

NTFS sucks and is extremely out of date, it just puts shit wherever it fits. Defrag will put the shit near itself on the disk.

What an amazing analogy, I think I just beat the internet.

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Side note, isn't FSX awesome, CLS DC-10 add on is the shit, friggen sounds and feel is amazing. I have some of those issues (choppy)and i'm adding some more ram.
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Your hard drive is a circle, think of it like a plate. When you eat your dinner, your food is neatly arraigned around the plate, meat, vegetables, potatoes, roll. The food will be data in this analogy.

Well lets say that you have to eat a bunch just for sake of making this analogy work. You constantly add and remove food from the plate, however what if you only eat half of the roll and half of the meat, but you want to put a full piece of new potatoes on the plate? Well, what NTFS will do, is just randomly put those potatoes wherever they will fit, so your food will get mixed up. As you can imagine after a while, you just have a sloth bowl of crap on your plate and if you want to eat just meat, you will have to spend a hell of a lot of time sorting out just the meat from the sloth on your plate.

A hard drive does the same thing, it has an arm that moves up and down while the disk spins, if the data is not in the same place, then it has to move up and down a lot which causes very slow io read/write performance.

When you run a defrag, it searches the plate, and moves everything back together, so if you want to access just the vegetables, you can do it quickly instead of having to pick and choose where its at.

NTFS sucks and is extremely out of date, it just puts shit wherever it fits. Defrag will put the shit near itself on the disk.

What an amazing analogy, I think I just beat the internet.
Very amazing analogy indeed. It all makes sense. So does Windows offer a defrag or are they all 3rd party like the one listed above?

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Very amazing analogy indeed. It all makes sense. So does Windows offer a defrag or are they all 3rd party like the one listed above?
windows has one built in.

start > all programs (or just programs) > accessories > system tools > disk defragmenter. it will take quite a while to run and it's better if you aren't trying to do anything else while it is defragmenting since it can't move files that you are using and your comp will be slow as crap while it's doing it anyways.

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windows has one built in.

start > all programs (or just programs) > accessories > system tools > disk defragmenter. it will take quite a while to run and it's better if you aren't trying to do anything else while it is defragmenting since it can't move files that you are using and your comp will be slow as crap while it's doing it anyways.
Ok thanks. So there's no risk of screwing anything up when running this?

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Ok thanks. So there's no risk of screwing anything up when running this?
Only caveat I have, is if you think your drive is failing - don't run any sort of defrag tool. Disk intensive.

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Your hard drive is a circle, think of it like a plate. When you eat your dinner, your food is neatly arraigned around the plate, meat, vegetables, potatoes, roll. The food will be data in this analogy.

Well lets say that you have to eat a bunch just for sake of making this analogy work. You constantly add and remove food from the plate, however what if you only eat half of the roll and half of the meat, but you want to put a full piece of new potatoes on the plate? Well, what NTFS will do, is just randomly put those potatoes wherever they will fit, so your food will get mixed up. As you can imagine after a while, you just have a sloth bowl of crap on your plate and if you want to eat just meat, you will have to spend a hell of a lot of time sorting out just the meat from the sloth on your plate.

A hard drive does the same thing, it has an arm that moves up and down while the disk spins, if the data is not in the same place, then it has to move up and down a lot which causes very slow io read/write performance.

When you run a defrag, it searches the plate, and moves everything back together, so if you want to access just the vegetables, you can do it quickly instead of having to pick and choose where its at.

NTFS sucks and is extremely out of date, it just puts shit wherever it fits. Defrag will put the shit near itself on the disk.

What an amazing analogy, I think I just beat the internet.
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If I see some shit like that one more time, I'm gonna fucking puke.

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