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Well, just tried to play some games, and I'm getting the dreaded 3 red blinking lights...

Knew it was coming, I was getting some lines in the video output, but didn't think it would come this quick.

Crap. I've had family staying here at the house, and they've been using it for a DVD player. Now they're about to leave, and I can play again, and it breaks.

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So can somebody explain why there are so many dead 360's? I have yet to hear of a problem with the PS3
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So can somebody explain why there are so many dead 360's? I have yet to hear of a problem with the PS3


Really? I though they were having majro issues with the PS3, and that it was nothing more than a $600 certified pile of shit.
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Strange, I've been through around 6 xbox 360's, including 2 at launch and the only problem I've ever had was when I added the aftermarket cooling fan. I guess I'm just lucky.

Although, my Elite does run a heck of a lot cooler than any of the previous 360's I've had.

I've got a PS3, the reason why it never has any problems is because it really doesn't have anything worth playing yet..
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I've got a PS3, the reason why it never has any problems is because it really doesn't have anything worth playing yet..
Mine is running all the time. my son plays his ps2 games on it. No issues, lock ups, restarts, nothing. Been perfect so far.

We're still waiting on the PS3 game linup to build. So far they don't have anything really worth a shit.
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So can somebody explain why there are so many dead 360's? I have yet to hear of a problem with the PS3

Because people return the PS3.

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Because people return the PS3.
So, the 360's die because people return the PS3?....
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So, the 360's die because people return the PS3?....

360 rapes PS3 in the market.

Even on the online marketplace, it completely owns sony's network.

plus its been out longer.

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360 rapes PS3 in the market.

Even on the online marketplace, it completely owns sony's network.

plus its been out longer.

and what is the bluray you speak of?
Yes, the PS3 has the smallest marketshare right now, and I know the 360 owns it in units sold. That still doesn't answer my original question. Why are there so many dead units?
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360 rapes PS3 in the market.

Even on the online marketplace, it completely owns sony's network.

plus its been out longer.

and what is the bluray you speak of?
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Sega Genesis was the same way, Super Nintendo ended up winning after a slow start. I still predict PS3 will be the console of choice this time next year. xCrash 360 is xJunk

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Yes, the PS3 has the smallest marketshare right now, and I know the 360 owns it in units sold. That still doesn't answer my original question. Why are there so many dead units?

Because your people do not know how to install the shit right.

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Strange, I've been through around 6 xbox 360's, including 2 at launch and the only problem I've ever had was when I added the aftermarket cooling fan. I guess I'm just lucky.

Although, my Elite does run a heck of a lot cooler than any of the previous 360's I've had.

I've got a PS3, the reason why it never has any problems is because it really doesn't have anything worth playing yet..
I thought I was lucky. I was still on my launch 360. Mines been kept on UPS power, on a metal wire shelf for plenty of airflow. I did see some artifacts in the video, but thought it was my monitor. I've always had it laying flat instead of the tower config. Hell, I've babied the hell out of this box due to the issues that everyone has had.

I've now been on the Support line for 45 minutes now... At least they play decent music, as opposed to the crappy elevator music that you usally get.

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Sega Genesis was the same way, Super Nintendo ended up winning after a slow start. I still predict PS3 will be the console of choice this time next year. xCrash 360 is xJunk

Whatever, Linux fanboii


"However, Sega’s share of the market would plummet in 1994 to 35% after Nintendo released key franchise titles for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System such as Donkey Kong Country and Super Metroid, as well as bad public reaction in Sega's eventual business decisions when releasing poorly sold add-on features to the console such as the Sega 32X and the Sega CD." [1]

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega

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NCAA Football '08 for the 360 will be running at 60fps while the PS3 version will be running at 30fps. The lower framerate may not be noticeable to most people, but it is something worth noting.

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Strange, I've been through around 6 xbox 360's, including 2 at launch and the only problem I've ever had was when I added the aftermarket cooling fan. I guess I'm just lucky.

Although, my Elite does run a heck of a lot cooler than any of the previous 360's I've had.

I've got a PS3, the reason why it never has any problems is because it really doesn't have anything worth playing yet..
sounds like you have not had one long enough to crap out on you.
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NCAA Football '08 for the 360 will be running at 60fps while the PS3 version will be running at 30fps. The lower framerate may not be noticeable to most people, but it is something worth noting.
Do you have a native tv that will support 1080p/24 or 1080p/60? If not, it won't make a difference.
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Do you have a native tv that will support 1080p/24 or 1080p/60? If not, it won't make a difference.

I have a crt rptv, so only 1080i for me. I'm certain interlaced sets cannot display 60fps.

Still worth noting that the PS3 will only do 1/2 the fps, imo.

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I have a crt rptv, so only 1080i for me. I'm certain interlaced sets cannot display 60fps.

Still worth noting that the PS3 will only do 1/2 the fps, imo.
You do know that 1080p/24 is better than 1080p/60, right?

http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ppitfall.htm


1080p/60 vs 1080p/24

Access to 1080p is not only determined by whether your HDTV has the ability to access a 1080p signal directly, but also what format of 1080p your HDTV will accept.

Almost all HDTVs that accept a 1080p input signal directly can accept what is known as 1080p/60. 1080p/60 represents a 1080p signal transferred and displayed at a rate of 60 frames-per-second (30 frames displayed twice per second). This is a standard progressive scan 1920x1080 pixel video signal.

However, with the advent of Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, a new variation of 1080p is being promoted and implemented: 1080p/24. What 1080p/24 represents is the frame rate of standard 35mm film transferred directly in its native 24 frames-per-second from a source (such as a film on a Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc). This means that in order to display this image on an HDTV, the HDTV has to have the ability to display 1080p resolution at 24 frames per second.

Up to this point, most Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players read the 1080p/24 format information off of the disc and then reprocesses it so that it will be able to output the signal as 1080p/60, thus making it compatible with most 1080p input compatible HDTVs.

However, LG (with others to follow) are starting to introduce Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players that output 1080p/24 off the disc directly and sends that signal unchanged to an HDTV. In this case, if the HDTV cannot process or display the 1080p/24 signal directly, the Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD player will then reprocess the 1080p/24 signal to 1080i so that the HDTV will recognize the signal. If the HDTV is 1080p/60 capable, the HDTV will reprocess the 1080i signal to 1080p/60 in order to be able to display the image on the screen.

I do have a native HDMI v1.3 (wd-65733) with native category 2 v1.3 hdmi cables and you can tell a huge difference from how it looked before with the original BD that I was using in January.

There are like 3-4 TV's out right now period with HDMI v1.3 capability. There should be more coming out almost daily. These are the ones that support the deep color/hdmi v1.3. It's very easy for people to spend a lot of money by just listening to the sales guy and still not get a very good picture.
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had my 360 for a year now.. when I do play it, I play it alot due to games like Madden 07, NBA 07 and PGR etc. I have two intercoolers.. One that goes on the bottom of the console and another that goes on the back of the console. It definately throws out alot of heat!
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You do know that 1080p/24 is better than 1080p/60, right?

http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ppitfall.htm


1080p/60 vs 1080p/24

Access to 1080p is not only determined by whether your HDTV has the ability to access a 1080p signal directly, but also what format of 1080p your HDTV will accept.

Almost all HDTVs that accept a 1080p input signal directly can accept what is known as 1080p/60. 1080p/60 represents a 1080p signal transferred and displayed at a rate of 60 frames-per-second (30 frames displayed twice per second). This is a standard progressive scan 1920x1080 pixel video signal.

However, with the advent of Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, a new variation of 1080p is being promoted and implemented: 1080p/24. What 1080p/24 represents is the frame rate of standard 35mm film transferred directly in its native 24 frames-per-second from a source (such as a film on a Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc). This means that in order to display this image on an HDTV, the HDTV has to have the ability to display 1080p resolution at 24 frames per second.

Up to this point, most Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players read the 1080p/24 format information off of the disc and then reprocesses it so that it will be able to output the signal as 1080p/60, thus making it compatible with most 1080p input compatible HDTVs.

However, LG (with others to follow) are starting to introduce Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players that output 1080p/24 off the disc directly and sends that signal unchanged to an HDTV. In this case, if the HDTV cannot process or display the 1080p/24 signal directly, the Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD player will then reprocess the 1080p/24 signal to 1080i so that the HDTV will recognize the signal. If the HDTV is 1080p/60 capable, the HDTV will reprocess the 1080i signal to 1080p/60 in order to be able to display the image on the screen.

I do have a native HDMI v1.3 (wd-65733) with native category 2 v1.3 hdmi cables and you can tell a huge difference from how it looked before with the original BD that I was using in January.

There are like 3-4 TV's out right now period with HDMI v1.3 capability. There should be more coming out almost daily. These are the ones that support the deep color/hdmi v1.3. It's very easy for people to spend a lot of money by just listening to the sales guy and still not get a very good picture.

Well, this whole topic intrigued me so I went searching on another forum. I still haven't come up with a clear answer, but I'm coming to the conclusion that most TV's at 60hz & relatively low response time can run the 60fps.
Now my question, does the framerate the game speaks of differ from the fps a television performs on an interlaced/progressive scan?

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had my 360 for a year now.. when I do play it, I play it alot due to games like Madden 07, NBA 07 and PGR etc. I have two intercoolers.. One that goes on the bottom of the console and another that goes on the back of the console. It definately throws out alot of heat!
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You do know that 1080p/24 is better than 1080p/60, right?

http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ppitfall.htm

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1080p/24 is great for FILM, where the source material was shot at 24fps. I'm assuming that the video game can render at faster than 24fps, therefore the 1080p/60 would be better.


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I did that, and got routed to some call center in India I believe. It sounded like the guy was on a train or something, I could hardly hear what he was saying over all the background noise. He repeated my address, and said my street name than "Doctor" for Dr. 2-3 Days for the shipping box to arrive... And I've heard there is a 4 week lead time due to a bunch of people offloading their broken boxes on Ebay, and with the warranty period extended, people are sending them in.

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You do know that 1080p/24 is better than 1080p/60, right?

http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ppitfall.htm


1080p/60 vs 1080p/24

Access to 1080p is not only determined by whether your HDTV has the ability to access a 1080p signal directly, but also what format of 1080p your HDTV will accept.

Almost all HDTVs that accept a 1080p input signal directly can accept what is known as 1080p/60. 1080p/60 represents a 1080p signal transferred and displayed at a rate of 60 frames-per-second (30 frames displayed twice per second). This is a standard progressive scan 1920x1080 pixel video signal.

However, with the advent of Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, a new variation of 1080p is being promoted and implemented: 1080p/24. What 1080p/24 represents is the frame rate of standard 35mm film transferred directly in its native 24 frames-per-second from a source (such as a film on a Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc). This means that in order to display this image on an HDTV, the HDTV has to have the ability to display 1080p resolution at 24 frames per second.

Up to this point, most Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players read the 1080p/24 format information off of the disc and then reprocesses it so that it will be able to output the signal as 1080p/60, thus making it compatible with most 1080p input compatible HDTVs.

However, LG (with others to follow) are starting to introduce Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players that output 1080p/24 off the disc directly and sends that signal unchanged to an HDTV. In this case, if the HDTV cannot process or display the 1080p/24 signal directly, the Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD player will then reprocess the 1080p/24 signal to 1080i so that the HDTV will recognize the signal. If the HDTV is 1080p/60 capable, the HDTV will reprocess the 1080i signal to 1080p/60 in order to be able to display the image on the screen.

I do have a native HDMI v1.3 (wd-65733) with native category 2 v1.3 hdmi cables and you can tell a huge difference from how it looked before with the original BD that I was using in January.

There are like 3-4 TV's out right now period with HDMI v1.3 capability. There should be more coming out almost daily. These are the ones that support the deep color/hdmi v1.3. It's very easy for people to spend a lot of money by just listening to the sales guy and still not get a very good picture.
1080p24 is better for movies because movies and tv shows are shot at 24 frames per second. if you tv can change it's refresh rate to 24hz then you will get smoother video since no conversion has to be done and each frame will be shown exactly once. On a 60hz tv each frame is either shown twice or three times in a 2-3-2-3-2 sequence so that the refresh rates can match up. this converts 24fps to 60hz.

video games however are a different story. if the video game is developed to output at 60fps and your tv has a refresh rate of 60hz then the game will look better and run smoother. i believe most video games are 30fps so each frame is just show twice on a 60hz display at 60fps each frame is shown once giving you the optimal picture.

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1080p24 is better for movies because movies and tv shows are shot at 24 frames per second. if you tv can change it's refresh rate to 24hz then you will get smoother video since no conversion has to be done and each frame will be shown exactly once. On a 60hz tv each frame is either shown twice or three times in a 2-3-2-3-2 sequence so that the refresh rates can match up. this converts 24fps to 60hz.

video games however are a different story. if the video game is developed to output at 60fps and your tv has a refresh rate of 60hz then the game will look better and run smoother. i believe most video games are 30fps so each frame is just show twice on a 60hz display at 60fps each frame is shown once giving you the optimal picture.

Well I feel better knowing my new TV can do the 60fps. Even though I'm sure at 30fps I couldn't tell a difference.

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I understand the difference between film/video. His original reference was that PS3 could only do half of that, which is incorrect.
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Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Gran Turismo HD
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
SOCOM: Confrontation
Tekken 6

bunch of other bad ass lower named games too.
I just bought a 360 elite 4 weeks ago

Ninja gaiden sigma wow!! came out 3 years ago on xbox
the above games can't hold a candle to Gears of War or any Halo
I wonder where 360 sales will go when Halo 3 comes out

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Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Gran Turismo HD
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
SOCOM: Confrontation
Tekken 6

bunch of other bad ass lower named games too.
*ahem*

-The last few FF games have been crap.
-Gran Turismo will be great...when it comes out in 2040 (Polyphony takes a LOOOOOoonnng time with GT)
-MGS 4 should be good, but wasn't it first hyped as a launch title? I really hope it doesn't get pushed back again.
-I liked Ninja Gaiden Sigma when it was called "Ninja Gaiden: Black"
-Are you serious? SOCOM?
-Tekken has seen better days. I liked it better when it was called "Virtua Fighter"

Having said all this, I still like the PS3. I can't wait for Killzone 2 and Assassin's Creed. But all is not well in Sonyland. The fact that they've cut the ps3 down $100 is evidence that they need to push units. They really need a killer app...soon.

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I understand the difference between film/video. His original reference was that PS3 could only do half of that, which is incorrect.
No, my original post stated NCAA Football '08 will run at 60fps on the 360 & 30fps on the PS3, which is true and has been confirmed by EA.

EA said Madden '08 will be the same as well.

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I'm sorry - I misread then, you're right on the differences between the 2 as far as the EA games. I was thinking you were meaning it wasn't possible for the PS3 to support that rate. My bad.
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Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Gran Turismo HD
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
SOCOM: Confrontation
Tekken 6

bunch of other bad ass lower named games too.
Didn't they announce at E3 this year that MGS wouldn't be exclusive to the PS3?
I know there have been rumors that it won't, but I thought they announced it officially at E3.

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-The last few FF games have been crap.
-Gran Turismo will be great...when it comes out in 2040 (Polyphony takes a LOOOOOoonnng time with GT)
-MGS 4 should be good, but wasn't it first hyped as a launch title? I really hope it doesn't get pushed back again.
-I liked Ninja Gaiden Sigma when it was called "Ninja Gaiden: Black"
-Are you serious? SOCOM?
-Tekken has seen better days. I liked it better when it was called "Virtua Fighter"

Having said all this, I still like the PS3. I can't wait for Killzone 2 and Assassin's Creed. But all is not well in Sonyland. The fact that they've cut the ps3 down $100 is evidence that they need to push units. They really need a killer app...soon.

Dude have you played Socom? Especially online?
That game is fucking bad ass, and was riddled by inferior hardware for that game to shine WAY MORE than it did. It will be amazing on the PS3.


Maybe I should get my PS3 back from my brother since he won't be able to use it for the next 15mo's.

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I'm sorry - I misread then, you're right on the differences between the 2 as far as the EA games. I was thinking you were meaning it wasn't possible for the PS3 to support that rate. My bad.


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i don't think they didn't officially announced that MGS4 was going to be released for the 360. Konami just said that they are reconsidering their orignal position of it being an exclusive ps3 title. They obviously want to see as many copies of the game as possible and there are way more xbox 360s than ps3s.

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