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Cisco or MCSE Cert?

which one pays better and why?

also does anyone know how much these certifications cost to get?

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I bet this thread gets the same results as the other you posted!

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cisco, because it's a lot more challenging and requires a lot more math expertise.
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Ask usmcblown4.6. He's a network guy.
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I bet this thread gets the same results as the other you posted!

sorry dude - i think i must have hit submit twice. other thread has been axed.

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Ok well if you really want to make the cheese, ditch them both and get your CISSP. There are two very different lifestyles between a "network" guy and a "server" guy. I have been both exclusively and now I am neither. I will say again the real money is in Security. But given a choice between which two I prefer I would go with Cisco. Neither a MCSE or CCNA are going to pay worth crap on their own, you will make about 45k with either. The way to the cash is to back up your certs with more certs.

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cisco, because it's a lot more challenging and requires a lot more math expertise.
Not true, to prepare for a CCNA takes maybe a week. There is alot more information to be covered for your MCSE. The only math is subnetting and there are tricks to that, not any harder than HS Algebra.
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<--Has 13 different IT certs.
But nary a clue!

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Honestly, certs have become very diluted these days. Previous experience and the ability to display depth of knowledge will get you further than any cert. Although, I'd say the $45k/year number is a bit low for any market-competitive company.



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45k for entry level with no experience and only a MCSE or CCNA is more than generous. Tell me that "flower" we had was worth any more than 45k.

I have plenty a clue.
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I finished my NT4 MCSE in '98 and kept it up as the newer versions came out. Then my CCNA in 2001. In 9 years of being certified, I dont think they have ever gotten me a job or more money. All people have ever done was question the manner in which I earned it... "So, did you just read this out of a book?" etc. etc.

Experience and "knowing your shit" is by far the most important component. Certs are great to have on a resume and certainly the knowledge needed to earn them is a help if you know how to apply it to the real world.

Get your foot in the door, bust your ass, and study. If youre lucky, you can get a company to pay for training which will make getting the certs way easier.

Like Luke said, security is a great way to go. If I had it to do all over again, I would go the dba route no question. I know some guys that make big bank as Oracle dba's and they can move jobs very easily.

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Experience and "knowing your shit" is by far the most important component. Certs are great to have on a resume and certainly the knowledge needed to earn them is a help if you know how to apply it to the real world.

Like Luke said, security is a great way to go. If I had it to do all over again, I would go the dba route no question. I know some guys that make big bank as Oracle dba's and they can move jobs very easily.
I agree completely on these points. Experience rules but certs help get opportunity. After you get in the door get your hands on every technology your can and find out what your like and what your good at. For instance I am great with Citrix but I hate it because of the end user interaction that comes along with it. You on the other hand may like people and could really enjoy that.

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You on the other hand may like people and could really enjoy that.
techies who like people??? I dont believe it exists!!!
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I had no certs when Microsoft hired me to do Platform Performance Support.

Now I have only two certs, MCP and VCP (VMware Certified Professional)

The amount of money paid for VMware ESX gurus is pretty damn good.

IMO, MCSE is going to go a major overhaul next year because of Longhorn. If you're going to get a cert, get the Cisco one. Then get some experience. THAT is what will pay.

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45k for entry level with no experience and only a MCSE or CCNA is more than generous. Tell me that "flower" we had was worth any more than 45k.

I have plenty a clue.
I would agree with all of this if it were 1999. Today that comment doesnt hold any weight. CCNA or MCSE with no expierence only looks good to the it manager hiring for entry level help desk support.
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I'll also 2nd the CISSP. I spent $450 on it 3 years ago and its been worth every penny.

I only have CISSP and Security +

I've also been thru Cisco NAC training and Foundstone Ultimate Hacking

I'm already signed up for Foundstone Expert Hacking and Web App hacking.

Luckily I work for McAfee so I get the Foundstone training for free

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