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Wireless networking question

I need to bring wireless internet from one building over to another building with about 300 ft and a another building in between them.
I think DSL is the source of the internet. I want to maintain wireless in both buildings. Tell me if I'm correct and give me advice on what I plan to do and manufactuer recommendations.
They already have two wireless routers.
Could I connect a Wireless Access Point Hub to the wireless in bldg 1, run the Wireless Access Point Hub in ad hoc mode to another Wireless Access Point Hub in bldg 2 in ad hoc and then connect it to the current wireless router?
Am I way off base?
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I need to bring wireless internet from one building over to another building with about 300 ft and a another building in between them.
I think DSL is the source of the internet. I want to maintain wireless in both buildings. Tell me if I'm correct and give me advice on what I plan to do and manufactuer recommendations.
They already have two wireless routers.
Could I connect a Wireless Access Point Hub to the wireless in bldg 1, run the Wireless Access Point Hub in ad hoc mode to another Wireless Access Point Hub in bldg 2 in ad hoc and then connect it to the current wireless router?
Am I way off base?
I honestely don't know, but if you plan on routing it through a router, two hubs and another router, I can almost guarantee you that your connection will suffer.

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only one internet connection though, right? IE, each building doesn't have it's own DSL and you want to just add wireless capability to the one that doesn't?
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Are u trying to go completely wireless, from my understanding there are really 3 buildings?


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i think there's 2 he wants connected, with one in between them.
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If ur running cable between two buildings it would have to be a maximum of 295ft from end to end. Assuming u would run a wireless router in one building which ur DSL came in on, then ran cable to the other to run yet another wireless access point.

If u went totaly wireless u would have to run directional antennas to reach that distance.


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U would also have to run each access point/wireless router on a seprate channel just an FYI, normaly like 6 for one building and 11 in the other. U can also use channel 1, anything inbetween them u may get interfearence.


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Another thing to take into consideration if ur buying Wireless routers, just disable the router part of it and it become an access point with 4 or how ever many ports it has


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only one internet connection though, right? IE, each building doesn't have it's own DSL and you want to just add wireless capability to the one that doesn't?
Yep
two buildings and one connection.
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Yep
two buildings and one connection.
Its highly possible to do it, it just may get compilcated and costly depending on which route u go.


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Damn Baller,
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Mach1Marauder,
At 300 ft I would definetly aim to cable it. Is this for a business that can afford higher end stuff or for personal use where an ROI will not likely happen?

Assuming personal use.

Is there a road or anything in between the building that would stop cables from being buried? Are there any poles to use to put cabling up high?

I would avoid Cat5/6 cabling. The spec is 100 meters between. That is the spec but in a pinch I've seen the cabling work 10-15 meters longer. However, you're saying 300 foot between buildings, and that won't account for cable routing or if the router/switch is on the otherside of the building.

Given the information I have, I'd probably recommend the following solutions.

1. get 3 switches that have fiber (I think multimode will work, but I'm not a fiber guru) interfaces and place those in the building. Run fiber (with casing/conduit) between the buildings.

2. 3 switches, cat 5/6 in between them and hope for the best.

3. You can try wireless.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7605_7-...1.html?tag=dir

AFAIK none of the standards will reach 300 foot, even without buildings/trees and such blocking the path. There are amplifiers that might help, but you also amplify the bad with that. Some sort of microwave tech is what you might need to look into.

Without doing a site survey it is difficult to come up with a good solution. I will say, fiber, underground, in conduit will be prefered. The copper might work but would not be ideal - I doubt it will work well though without a repeater.

You can also get a copper switch for each building a find a fiber/copper transceiver. That may be a little more cost effective for you. If you can provide a little more detail, we might be able to come up with something.

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Edit: I misread your post. Change 3 switches...etc to 2 for only 2 buildings.

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Im trying to figuer out what all u want to do. There are many options to the matter. Did u want it all wireless? or did u just want wireless access point in each building connected by a cable or what not. I dont know if u want to run a wireless connection between each building or whether u want to run cables betweeen each wireless access point.

I understand u want Wireless in each building. Thats the easy part to setup, the main matter is how u want them connected.

The cheapest way would be to cable it. But u would need to get it under Just under 300 ft from point to point of the routers.


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At 300 ft I would definetly aim to cable it. Is this for a business that can afford higher end stuff or for personal use where an ROI will not likely happen?

Assuming personal use.

Is there a road or anything in between the building that would stop cables from being buried? Are there any poles to use to put cabling up high?

I would avoid Cat5/6 cabling. The spec is 100 meters between. That is the spec but in a pinch I've seen the cabling work 10-15 meters longer. However, you're saying 300 foot between buildings, and that won't account for cable routing or if the router/switch is on the otherside of the building.

Given the information I have, I'd probably recommend the following solutions.

1. get 3 switches that have fiber (I think multimode will work, but I'm not a fiber guru) interfaces and place those in the building. Run fiber (with casing/conduit) between the buildings.

2. 3 switches, cat 5/6 in between them and hope for the best.

3. You can try wireless.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7605_7-...1.html?tag=dir

AFAIK none of the standards will reach 300 foot, even without buildings/trees and such blocking the path. There are amplifiers that might help, but you also amplify the bad with that. Some sort of microwave tech is what you might need to look into.

Without doing a site survey it is difficult to come up with a good solution. I will say, fiber, underground, in conduit will be prefered. The copper might work but would not be ideal - I doubt it will work well though without a repeater.

You can also get a copper switch for each building a find a fiber/copper transceiver. That may be a little more cost effective for you. If you can provide a little more detail, we might be able to come up with something.

Take care,

Edit: I misread your post. Change 3 switches...etc to 2 for only 2 buildings.
It's a commercial establishment. Only two buildings with one building in between. They don't care about networking the computers together. They just need internet in bldg. #2..........but I may install a print serer in bldg#2. I think buried cable is outta the question.
I really think the best solution is to delete the internet in bldg#1 and just have it in bldg#2, but that's not what they want. I'm just trying to help them do what they want.
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haha, i ran that cable. i think it was about 250ft of cat 5.

it works, they just need an access point in building #2 (instead 2 routers) and it will all work. the only problem is that cable is bound to get messed up.

i remember someone here had a wireless directional antenna and they were broadcasting it up the street to their office. anyone remember who that was?
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get another cheap inet connection, VPN is your friend.
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the only way i see being able to do it is use an 802.11 repeater with a good quality directional antennas.

http://www.radiolabs.com/products/an.../11eleyagi.php

or...

http://www.radiolabs.com/products/wi...ess-bridge.php

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Yeah, if it has to be wireless - a wireless repeater/amplifier and directional antenna(s) are your only real option. Make sure you get something that is weather proof, has good mounts and do not use cheap cabling. I hear the weather is pretty rough out where you are, so you need to make sure the equipment can withstand that abuse. Also make sure you check out the temperature ratings to make sure it can deal with 110+ degrees on a roof, in the sun.

Post up what you come up with if you don't mind.

Also, make sure your customer is aware that if they ever do comms between the buildings - it'll be relatively slow. Especially compared to gig connections. Soooo...if they put a file server in building 1 and expect people in building 2 to use it, it'll work but it will be slow. If they get multiple users doing the same thing and all, the link will become saturated in a heartbeat and be useless. Really try to push a fiber solution. Right now they may not use it, but we all know how that changes.

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does the 2nd building have its own demarc? if so, get building 2 its own dsl for $49 a a month OR pull a cable/fiber depending on distance.

its obviously cheaper in the long run to pull the cable/fiber, but it may be difficult depending on the facility (ie roads or parking lots between them, etc.)

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