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I want to learn LINUX

And i know several of you on here are very experienced with it. I know there are a couple different options to choose from, as far as Red Hat and Suse, but I have an extra PC and just want to learn the basic functions of it. Anyone have any recommendations and links?

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Very funny. My school is recommending Mepislite, anyone familiar with it? anything better? the more i look at this stuff, the more interesting it gets.

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Knoppix

If you want to learn you can start off by using knoppix, which is a bootable linux cd. When I first started using linux I used Mandrake which is now Mandriva. Ubuntu is another that I've read about in the last few weeks, but I've never used it. There is also debian which is used by organizations. And last but not least Gentoo for the most advanced user. If I had to choose one I'll start off with knoppix then debian then gentoo, goes from easy to intermediate to advance at least in my opinion.


http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.knoppix.org/
http://www.debian.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/

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If you want to learn you can start off by using knoppix, which is a bootable linux cd. When I first started using linux I used Mandrake which is now Mandriva. Ubuntu is another that I've read about in the last few weeks, but I've never used it. There is also debian which is used by organizations. And last but not least Gentoo for the most advanced user. If I had to choose one I'll start off with knoppix then debian then gentoo, goes from easy to intermediate to advance at least in my opinion.


http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.knoppix.org/
http://www.debian.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/

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Thanks very much, cleaning off Server 2003 R2 off my test machine as I type.

is knoppix all in german!?

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knoppix is a term used verbosely for people making bootable linux cd's for people to test the waters, do security evaluations, or just a bunch of random other stuff that doesnt require people to format their current OS to run. So no, knoppix is not just in German.

Ubuntu is probably the easiest out the atm, followed by fedora core. I've never heard of any companies using debian, most ( I would say 80% ) use redhat for enterprise enviroments since its pretty much the only vendor that offers full support for its distro.

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downloading ubuntu now... we'll see how it works out.

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What is your motivation for learning Linux? How are your windows skills?
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What is your motivation for learning Linux? How are your windows skills?
I want to learn because I think it's valuable to know. I recently got a mac (and sold it the next day) because I wanted some experience with one, i spent all night playing with it, networking with my other PC's and just getting to know it. I mainly want to learn the server end of linux, as i know enough to get me in trouble and out of some of it with Server 2003, might aswell know it about linux too. Just trying to broaden my horizon, thats all.

Btw, for those that care, i typed this post using a bootable cd from ubuntu. Pretty neat. I may buy another computer just for a linux desktop. It actually seems faster than my Windows XP OS.

My windows skills are probably a 9 on a scale from 1-10.

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I bought a cheapo E-machine from Best Buy for my linux box, was like $350 or so and has a CD burner, 80 gig HD, 512 M Ram. Nothing fancy, but just something to fuck around with on a seperate box. I set it up to dual boot, Redat ES and Win XP Pro.

You can also download Fedora Core 5, made by Redhat.

http://www.redhat.com/fedora/
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I bought a cheapo E-machine from Best Buy for my linux box, was like $350 or so and has a CD burner, 80 gig HD, 512 M Ram. Nothing fancy, but just something to fuck around with on a seperate box. I set it up to dual boot, Redat ES and Win XP Pro.

You can also download Fedora Core 5, made by Redhat.

http://www.redhat.com/fedora/
I was kinda eyeing miketyler's small formfactor dell he has in the classifieds for this "school expense"

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I just downloaded the 3 gigs for fedora, burned it to a DVD... and got all excited, to find out this piece of shit 333mhz test machine i have... doesn't have a damn DVD DRIVE!%#[email protected]*(&

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The install for ubuntu is VERY easy.

Only problems after that was wireless support. My NIC has a broadcom chip which was not working very well. The next kernel realease thats coming out is supposed to have better broadcom support.
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I think you'll definitely dig Ubuntu... but I have to ask

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I recently got a mac (and sold it the next day) because I wanted some experience with one,
Why'd you get one and sell it the next day? Was it an older Mac that someone just had laying around, or did you actually order (or go to the store and buy) a new one, and then sell it?

Either way... seems kinda counterproductive to learning the system... only using it for about a day and then getting rid of it.

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If you really want to learn about the server side of things with linux, I would definatly get a Redhat box up and running, or trying setting up applications a bit more manual with say a base install of Slackware. You're not going to learn anything from a hand me it all distro like Ubuntu.

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I think you'll definitely dig Ubuntu... but I have to ask



Why'd you get one and sell it the next day? Was it an older Mac that someone just had laying around, or did you actually order (or go to the store and buy) a new one, and then sell it?

Either way... seems kinda counterproductive to learning the system... only using it for about a day and then getting rid of it.
I hated that damn thing. I got a G4 and didnt' pay much for it, came with Tiger on it. Took me 4 hours to realize theres a freakin key on the keyboard to open the cd rom. With in those 4 hours i was able to explore everything i wanted to, get it sync'd with my home network using samba for network shares and what not. setup email on it, everything was very easy if i didn't think about it. the cdrom killed me though. lol.


abecx... like i said, i got fedora on a dvd, only to realize in my sleepy haze (after i'd gone to all the trouble to make the damn dvd) that my computer didn't have a dvd player in it. (the test one) i may swap some things around, i dunno.

or i'll just go buy a new pc.

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They have a 4x cd install too.

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Iabecx... like i said, i got fedora on a dvd, only to realize in my sleepy haze (after i'd gone to all the trouble to make the damn dvd) that my computer didn't have a dvd player in it. (the test one) i may swap some things around, i dunno.

or i'll just go buy a new pc.

http://www.emachines.com/products/pr...tml?prod=T3504

$320 for it, not too shabby for a PC with a warranty and even a legit OS license!

Or this one with a dual layer DVD burner for $379
http://www.emachines.com/products/pr...tml?prod=T3508

(price is afetr a $50 rebate, but I did get all 3 of mine from Emachines)
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http://www.emachines.com/products/pr...tml?prod=T3504

$320 for it, not too shabby for a PC with a warranty and even a legit OS license!

Or this one with a dual layer DVD burner for $379
http://www.emachines.com/products/pr...tml?prod=T3508

(price is afetr a $50 rebate, but I did get all 3 of mine from Emachines)
all i need is a box, no monitor or mouse or keyboard, i have a KVM switch for all that.

i'll keep my eyes open.

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all i need is a box, no monitor or mouse or keyboard, i have a KVM switch for all that.

i'll keep my eyes open.

LOL, I have a closet full of mice and keyboards, I have a KVM switch too. Actually came in handy, I brought a mouse and KB to work, instead of using the dirty ass ones they had here!
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I hated that damn thing. I got a G4 and didnt' pay much for it, came with Tiger on it. Took me 4 hours to realize theres a freakin key on the keyboard to open the cd rom. With in those 4 hours i was able to explore everything i wanted to, get it sync'd with my home network using samba for network shares and what not. setup email on it, everything was very easy if i didn't think about it. the cdrom killed me though. lol.
HAHAHA... yeah the CD got me the first time I used a Mac too. It was OS7 though. If OSX still carry's over the old way of doing it, instead of the keyboard key, you should also be able to drag the CD icon to the trash bin, and it should eject it. Haven't used OSX much though, yet. Once Leopard comes out, I'm thinking about getting either a MacBook Pro, or an iMac.

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Probably a repost but here is why macs suck
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Probably a repost but here is why macs suck
i had that video on my myspace

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Probably a repost but here is why macs suck
Perhaps Macintosh is the OS running your always sluggish website.

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Probably a repost but here is why macs suck
this coming from the person who says Apache 'sucks'

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Piece of shit

Slackware, eh? Pretty cool.

I keep tinkering with linux and really need to spend some quality time with it but other stuff keeps getting in the way
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Piece of shit

Slackware, eh? Pretty cool.

I keep tinkering with linux and really need to spend some quality time with it but other stuff keeps getting in the way
from what i've learned so far, i like what i see.

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another option for server linux is CentOS.

Its an open version basically of Red Hat's Enterprise editions.

Not the latest kernels & features but stable and more server type distro.

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If you really want to learn about the server side of things with linux, I would definatly get a Redhat box up and running, or trying setting up applications a bit more manual with say a base install of Slackware. You're not going to learn anything from a hand me it all distro like Ubuntu.
Ditto'ed....

Learn to love the shell

I've always been very strong with Windows command line but I mostly played with Redhat from KDE. However, when I started extensively using VMware ESX, I was forced to learn the command shell. ESX isn't a Linux OS, but it uses Redhat 7, running as a VM, as its console interface.

Now my biggest problem is differentiating between the Windows CMD line and Bash. I go to a Winbox and keep type in "ls" and wondering why the F my directory structure isn't listed

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Learn to love the shell

I've always been very strong with Windows command line but I mostly played with Redhat from KDE. However, when I started extensively using VMware ESX, I was forced to learn the command shell. ESX isn't a Linux OS, but it uses Redhat 7, running as a VM, as its console interface.

Now my biggest problem is differentiating between the Windows CMD line and Bash. I go to a Winbox and keep type in "ls" and wondering why the F my directory structure isn't listed
create a bat file called ls.bat and have it just contain dir I did the same thing when I was bouncing between the two for a bit

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