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AMD 64 3200 or Pentium 4 3Ghz?

Is anyone really better than the other? I'm ready to replace our current setup and looks like we going to pick up a system at www.ibuypower.com
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AMD 64, hands down. It's faster when running in 32 bit mode and when you finally get 64bit Windows XP on it, you won't believe how smokin' it is.

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Get the AMD 3000+, its a lot cheaper, but you can clock it to 3500+ speeds and it runs fine. Thats what I did, and make sure you get the 939 socket motherboard/cpu. The older socket will be outdated, and when the new dual core cpu's come out, 939 will most likely be the platform. I also recommend getting the nforce 2 msi motherboard, its the best damn mother board out for amd64's.

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the 64 bit pent are supposed to come out at/around the same time win 64 comes out (as they are in bed with each other) i think the 64 bit pent would be better then an amd...dunno tho

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AMD for sure, cheaper and good for Windows 64 bit. No reason in waiting for Intel's 64bit and paying triple the price. I just built me a new system, AMD Athlon64 3400+, runs fast.
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the 64 bit pent are supposed to come out at/around the same time win 64 comes out (as they are in bed with each other) i think the 64 bit pent would be better then an amd...dunno tho

Microsoft is only in bed with themselves.

The Itanium has been a miserable failure. Intel is coming out with a new 64bit processor that will run x64, like the AMD 64. WinXP 64 is already out and Win2k3 64 has been out for a while thus far.

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AMD would be the best choice.
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Get the AMD 3000+, its a lot cheaper, but you can clock it to 3500+ speeds and it runs fine. Thats what I did, and make sure you get the 939 socket motherboard/cpu. The older socket will be outdated, and when the new dual core cpu's come out, 939 will most likely be the platform. I also recommend getting the nforce 2 msi motherboard, its the best damn mother board out for amd64's.
On that site they are all 939 but I'm not into computers, just want a nice upgrade from my current system and that site has some pretty good prices. I'm just looking to spend under $900. I'm sold on the AMD but should I go with PCExpress? I'm new to mist of this stuff and don't want to spend money on stuff I really wont need or can get somewhere cheaper. BTW the site I'm looking at is ibuypower.com
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Typically, I'd vote Intel. However, I recently switch to AMD and enjoy it. I'd go into the reasons why, but I have no technical information to back up my views.

Also, looking at benchmarks...AMD seems like a better bang for the buck...no doubt about that. In a lot of cases, AMD smokes Intel products.

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AMD SUCKS FOR AUDIO PRODUCTION SO I WENT WITH THE PENTIUM. But other than that...... the AMD.
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AMD SUCKS FOR AUDIO PRODUCTION SO I WENT WITH THE PENTIUM. But other than that...... the AMD.
Can you explain how AMD sucks for audio production?

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Its called latency. If you know anything about audio production you will know what I mean. Pentium works better for my program and on most audio production/mixing/recording.
Just my opinion. If you don't do audio work, what the hell do you care??
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It was a valid question. I was kind of curious myself. I was thinking you were refering to sounds from games and such.

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Its called latency. If you know anything about audio production you will know what I mean. Pentium works better for my program and on most audio production/mixing/recording.
Just my opinion. If you don't do audio work, what the hell do you care??
These days, unless you're doing like 40+ tracks concurrently or something else insane, latency is most likely caused by sound card or software, not the cpu. Do you own a studio?

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Its called latency. If you know anything about audio production you will know what I mean. Pentium works better for my program and on most audio production/mixing/recording.
Just my opinion. If you don't do audio work, what the hell do you care??
Exactly which AMD chip did you pick for your audio production? A Duron? Were you using PCI or some other older multi-drop shared bus technology?

Something tells me you were and you weren't using an Opteron.

My bet was you were using a 32-bit address space and PCI. Bus speed is where its at with audio/video production.

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Well I do have a studio but the AMD that I could afford sucked for what I was doing and the programs that I run. Its like me saying that I bought a 91' ford escort and telling you it sucks. But you say........ I have an 05' Saleen, Fords don't suck. Yeah well apples and oranges. I am happy with my Pentium. Trust me, if I could afford the studio I wanted, I would go with an Apple. ( no pun intended) lol
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Where is your studio at, do you have rooms open for storage/practice?

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It depends. I got P4 550 3.4GHz cheap, cheaper than the 939 socket 3200+ I have. P4 smokes the 3200+ in everything by a very large margin. Win64 won't help you until the software you're running is also going to be 64bit. Running 32bit SW on 64bit Windows was actually slightly slower in my very limited experiments.

That being said, you're likely to find the A64 cheaper than P4. In that case I would buy the A64. Only reason why I built that P4 was because I got it very cheap.
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P4 smokes the 3200+ in everything by a very large margin.
Not trying to start shit, but the AMD64's still run better in all the benchmarks I've seen, of course with comprable cpus, you cant compare a 3200+ to a 3.4ghz machine.

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Not trying to start shit, but the AMD64's still run better in all the benchmarks I've seen, of course with comprable cpus, you cant compare a 3200+ to a 3.4ghz machine.
Yeah, just my personal observation. P4 3.4GHz beat the 3200+ by 20-25% in the applications I ran. Of course there are other variables in there like the mobo and memory.
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Yeah, just my personal observation. P4 3.4GHz beat the 3200+ by 20-25% in the applications I ran. Of course there are other variables in there like the mobo and memory.
I have a 3000+ 64bit amd, lets compare, I want to see where I stand, what do you recommend we compare agasint?

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I have a 3000+ 64bit amd, lets compare, I want to see where I stand, what do you recommend we compare agasint?
My tests included ripping a DVD and re-encoding it. I was using the exact same DVD-burner on both machines, it wouldn't make any sense to do this with another drive. Anyway, Saving Private Ryan with DTS & DD tracks, the whole movie shrinked to 4.3GB with DVDShrink. For P4 it took 18min09s, the A64 took 20min53s.

I also did a lot of video en-/decoding and DVD mastering. The P4 ran away by a large margin there. Adobe Premier and Pinnacle Studio 9.3.

3DMark05 was 3536 (P4 with 6600GT PCi-e) vs. 2985 (A64 with 6600GT AGP) but the video bus and frequency affect that score and that's 99% a video card benchmark.
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Let's put that same pair of CPU's up against each other running HL2, Doom 3, UT 2004, Far Cry and see what happens. Look at the benchmarks at the link below. The P4 excels in all Audio/Video related applications but the AMD64 smokes it in all gaming applications. Just depends on what you want out of your system. I have an Athlon 64 3200 but I do mostly Internet and online gaming. My old P4 2.8 couldn't touch this 3200 in my environment but I would love to have it back to just run my Audio/Video applications. Each has their pros and cons. Basically comes down to intended use and price.

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