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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 02-12-2005, 08:38 AM Thread Starter
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Starting to get new PC materials together, case help

Ok, so I'm going to start getting stuff together for a new PC and right now I'm just looking into a case. This computer is going to be for gaming, probably 2 optical drives and 2 HD's nothing spectacular, but it's going to be for gaming, so.... I really don't know what the f*&k I'm looking for.

I don't know if you need a different case for different Mobos or if they all fit in a case the same (i know there are some big motherboards that wont fit in those litttle cases, but I ain't getting one of those). Help me out guys.

Also, if I was to buy a mobo right now, what would you recommend (both AMD and Pentium chips are considered for right now). Would like it to have a MINIMUM of 2 memory slots, PCI-E if available, AGP slot, anything else you can think of that would help me out.

Thanks guys (damn nerds j/k)

wish I knew more about this stuff.
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I would go down to Fry's and get with one of the guys in the computer section. Tell them what you want and the will walk you through it. They are very helpfull. I've had a lot of luck with them.
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I would go down to Fry's and get with one of the guys in the computer section. Tell them what you want and the will walk you through it. They are very helpfull. I've had a lot of luck with them.
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I would go down to Fry's and get with one of the guys in the computer section. Tell them what you want and the will walk you through it. They are very helpfull. I've had a lot of luck with them.
Thanks ass, about as helpful as a dull razor, constructive replys only please.
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If the motherbord is for an atx case (most are) then any atx case will do. Your going to want something with fans to keep the air moving and a good powersupply.

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ok, it would probably be easier for you guys to just list your case and mobo combo, what you have in it, etc... I know some of you are big gamers and figure you could give me your set up so I could look around.
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Try this place, Monarch Computer. They have great mobo/cpu combo prices and you get Far Cry and Half-Life 2 for free with a combo purchase.

I have had several Thermaltake cases and been very pleased with them. They just came out with about six new models that are really nice. Price is kind of high though. I put my money into other parts this time and bought a cheap case and modded it myself. Three 120mm fans and one 80mm. All very high CFM at very low rpm's so you can hardly hear it run.

Definately go for an Athlon 64 for gaming. The P4 for audio/video work. You can overclock the Athlon 64 3200 90nm chip easily to 3800+ speeds at about 1/4 the price. Go socket 939 for sure because all Athlon 64's will be 939 by this summer. If you want to be able to upgrade later go with a PCI Express motherboard.

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You must have atleast one raptor. Makes a big difference in loading times.

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i have a cheap case with like 5 fans in it, works all right

msi motherboard, p4 2.8, 2x512mb 2700, one 160 gig hd, and a radeon x800 pro.

it works pretty decent. i really want to upgrade my ram and my processor.

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Another question guys, can you install a higher bus RAM into your motherboard?

One of my friends said you could install PC2700 DDR or PC3200 DDR into a mobo that supports PC2100 DDR(what my mobo runs at right now) and it would be fine, but it would run at PC2100 speed...and wouldn't screw anything up.

Is this true? Seems that it's cheaper to buy 1GB of PC3200 rather than PC2100. Plus I'd be able to put this into a later computer.

BTW, I'm working as an undergraduate in a lab here at UT austin. My group focuses on microprocessor chemistry and supposedly we just switched from 248nm tools to 193nm tools this year, so Intel and AMD may be getting out some crazy speeds pretty soon if all goes well. I might just wait before I start upgrading . Just a little information for you tech freaks.
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ehh, i won't hold my breath for new shit.


yes, you can put ddr400 (pc3200) into pc2100 slots. it will run at the same speed, but you can probably tighten up the latencies alot.

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Higher speed ram is a must for overclocking. Also try to go with the lowest CAS Latency memory you can find like CL2. A quality motherboard will allow you to overclock just the ram. Installing at least your operating system on a Raptor will give you a nice boost in speed. The Athlon 64 3200+ 90nm processor just dropped big in price and is listed on Pricewatch for $169. I have this processor and a quality heatsink and I have it running overclocked to a 3800+. Awesome performance for the price.
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you can't overclock just the ram.

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Maybe "overclocking" was misleading but you can run higher speed memory such as PC3200(400mhz) and force it to run at 400Mhz while the FSB is still at 333Mhz. It is called running memory asynchronous with the FSB. That is why most newer motherboards have a bios setting for Memory speed as a percent of the FSB speed or some list it as Memory/CPU Ratio. This is most effective on P4 systems.
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buddy, in most cases, you have to slow down your ram from your FSB, IE FSB - Ram speed
normally 400:400 if you have ddr400
400:333 if you have ddr333
400:266
so you have 1:1
5:4
3:2


your ram can't even dream of operating at the speeds the processor is running at.

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Definately go for an Athlon 64 for gaming. The P4 for audio/video work.
AMD is releasing TODAY the Opterons with SSE3. Next month all AMD64 chips will have SSE3, SSOI, extra layer interconnects and an improved memory controller. The memory latency is low right now with the AMD64s, I am wondering how they will improve it.

Next couple of months, Intel will loose their audio/video bastion.

Opteron -> http://theinquirer.net/?article=21243

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knew that stuff was going to be coming out pretty soon. Need to talk to some of the guys around the lab to see what kind of technology (248nm or 193nm, keep in mind this isn't the lines of the processor, but the tools used to make the lines) the intels and opterons are running.
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