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How much is this computer worth?

Aspire X-Dreamer II case w/ side window..black w/ blue LEDs..temp readout on front
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AMD 3200+
Kingston 1g dual ddr 400mhz pc3200-189 bucks put in 2 weeks ago
Seagate 160gig 7200rpm hd
ABIT NF-7 motherboard
ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128m
CD Burner
Windows XP sp2
4 fans not including the power supply fans
The computer is almost 3 months old and runs great

and i think thats everything, ask if you need to know something.

looking for a couple opinions on what i could sell this pc for. thanks.
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Looks like you spent close to a grand building it, and i'd say it worth pretty close to that.
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yeah I was gonna say at least 900

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if you tried hard enough you could build it for 6-700.

worth? try to get someone to spend 1000$ on it, even though it's an awesome computer, is like trying to squeeze blood from a turnip.

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Aspire X-Dreamer II case w/ side window..black w/ blue LEDs..temp readout on front
520 watt 3-fan Power supply
AMD 3200+
Kingston 1g dual ddr 400mhz pc3200-189 bucks put in 2 weeks ago
Seagate 160gig 7200rpm hd
ABIT NF-7 motherboard
ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128m
CD Burner
Windows XP sp2
4 fans not including the power supply fans
The computer is almost 3 months old and runs great

and i think thats everything, ask if you need to know something.

looking for a couple opinions on what i could sell this pc for. thanks.


looks alright
should have gone with a faster hd than the 7200
that machine would do alot better with a 10000


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maybe a grand to someone who doesnt know what they are doing, but i wouldnt say it was worth more then $600

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maybe a grand to someone who doesnt know what they are doing, but i wouldnt say it was worth more then $600
You can't even get the parts for $600.
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If you know what you are doing, you could build that for not too much more than 600
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Lets see...

Case, $65
motherboard + processor, $230-50
memory, $130-150
HD, $60-100
9800Pro, $150-200
CD burner, $10-20

$645 if you're optimistic and go with the cheap stuff, $750 for a more realistic with quality parts. How much this computer is worth comes down to the specs on that memory and hard drive.

I would say he can sell it for $800-900. Those of us who know how to built wouldn't buy it but it is worth more than the sum of its parts to those who just want a fast running computer without a hassle. Try to get this prebuilt from one of the computer warehouses and you'll pay much more (but with a warranty).
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Lets see...

Case, $65
motherboard + processor, $230-50
memory, $130-150
HD, $60-100
9800Pro, $150-200
CD burner, $10-20

$645 if you're optimistic and go with the cheap stuff, $750 for a more realistic with quality parts. How much this computer is worth comes down to the specs on that memory and hard drive.

I would say he can sell it for $800-900. Those of us who know how to built wouldn't buy it but it is worth more than the sum of its parts to those who just want a fast running computer without a hassle. Try to get this prebuilt from one of the computer warehouses and you'll pay much more (but with a warranty).
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mb was 80ish i believe
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vid card 200ish
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it really adds up fast. i put one together, almost identical last night on newegg and it was over 900 easily
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it really adds up fast. i put one together, almost identical last night on newegg and it was over 900 easily
Yes, it does. You could find most of the stuff (a lot?) cheaper than newegg but the computer is definately worth more than $600.
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Im saying its worth $600 to a smart person, the hd is out dated and so is the proc....those huge cases arent the in thing anymore...the shuttles are...

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Im saying its worth $600 to a smart person, the hd is out dated and so is the proc....
A64 3200+ is outdated??? Not in that pricerange.

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those huge cases arent the in thing anymore...the shuttles are...
Different strokes. I wouldn't touch the mini cases myself.
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Also gotta keep in mind that it was built by him and is used...devalues it significantly.


Btw, those mini form factor PCs are a hell of a deal. I just recently got an MSI 180 (case, display, mobo, powersupple, heatsink for $300). I use it for a media PC.
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i WISh i could build it for 600 bucks, i just wish. but i dont know where to go to look and all that.
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I refuse to get pulled into hardware threads like this, but some of the moronic things that are being spewed are laughable! A 3200+ 64bit cpu being outdated! Shuttle/mini cases being the 'in' thing, 7200rpm drives being uber slow, and for some reason "if you know what you are doing" gets you imaginery discounts in your head now.

Some quick facts:

1. A 3200+ 64bit is not outdated.
2. Mini cases are cool, but come at a price of heat and expandability. Parts are also more expensive.
3. 7200rpm drives are great for mass storage because less heat and WAY cheaper.
4. Knowing what you are doing does not decrease prices.
5. Building your own computer will not have as good a resale because there is no warranty, 9 out of 10 you didnt purchase the software legally and the person that is going to buy it is most likely going to try and con you out of what you want. I recommend ebay for selling a computer.

Thank god I do not post in these threads all the time, it would get heated!

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1. no where does he say its a 64 bit amd.....he says its a 3200+ so you assumed its a 64 bit.
2. I have a shuttle that has a 64 bit 3200+ and runs a constant 40 degrees c.
3. if its a gaming computer a 7200 rpm hd will not suffice, it is good for mass storage though as you said.
4. if you know what your doing you can build your own instead of having to buy a system someone else put together and them charging extra for their time.

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1. no where does he say its a 64 bit amd.....he says its a 3200+ so you assumed its a 64 bit.
2. I have a shuttle that has a 64 bit 3200+ and runs a constant 40 degrees c.
3. if its a gaming computer a 7200 rpm hd will not suffice, it is good for mass storage though as you said.
4. if you know what your doing you can build your own instead of having to buy a system someone else put together and them charging extra for their time.
1. even a 3200+xp isnt out dated.
2. Try throwing in a couple of more hard drives into that thing, then do some real cpu intensive stuff beside bombarding your video card with polygon requests and tell me what your tempature hits.
3. 7200rpm will suffice in a gaming machine, games run fine on my box and I have 7200rpm 40gb drive. I've yet to see a recommend setup on a game be labeld MUST HAVE 10k RPM DRIVE TO PLAY THIS GAME,
4. Like I said before, building your own does not give you some kind of imaginery discount at teh store when you goto buy your parts.

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my old 3200+ is over a year old.....thats out dated...go look up any bench marks and look where it scores

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Yes it does give a discout because your paying for the hardware, not the hardware and installation. a 7200 rpm is alright, but the load times are slow. i guess if thats what you like then its fine

Why would i add more hard drives to a gaming machine, ill use my other puter for storage.

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Yes it does give a discout because your paying for the hardware, not the hardware and installation. a 7200 rpm is alright, but the load times are slow. i guess if thats what you like then its fine

Why would i add more hard drives to a gaming machine, ill use my other puter for storage.
Sigh. You cant seem to understand this fact. Buying hardware from someone like newegg or some other cheap ass wholesale dealer does not give you a discount because you are knowing what you're doing. Try compiling all those exact parts and get me a total thats $600, you wont be able to do it. Even being, he built this computer three months ago, surprise, prices have changed since then! As for a 7200 rpm drive being slow, its not the RPMS that is the factor, it is the seek times. Some 7.2k drives have near or just as fast as your 10k drives and are way cheaper but granted not many.

Your last comment is what I'm griping about, you came into this thread with a bias review, not everyone wastes a computer by playing games on it, some people actually use a computer for other usage and could care less if it displays 40trillion qabillion frames per second using 9 pci slots and water cooled 18ghz overclocked cpu.

I think he could get $700 - $900 on ebay. $500 if he were try and sell it on this joke of a site.

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As some have stated this would be a superb computer for someone who really knows nothing about building or buying a PC. Those type of people usually don't know where to find the prices that most of us do and sure don't know how to put it together. Also, anyone who you knows computers knows the Abit NF7 is a socket A Athlon XP motherboard, not an Athlon 64. It is one of the better Athlon XP motherboards for overclocking. Compare prices to what you could get local and it would easily be worth around $1k. Just a matter of finding the right person. It is pretty much what I had for my last system except I had SATA Hard drives and it would run any game at max settings in at least 1280x1024. That is not to shabby.
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3. if its a gaming computer a 7200 rpm hd will not suffice, it is good for mass storage though as you said.
Where the did you come up with this load of bullshit?

The only time you're really going to push the limits of a 7200 and could benefit from a 10000 or 15000 rpm drive, is when you're doing some real-time broadcast or higher quality video editing, or running a huge database that's constantly in use sending/recieving/sorting data. I have yet to see any game that would come close to needing anything more than a 5400 rpm drive, let alone 7200 or more.

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Your last comment is what I'm griping about, you came into this thread with a bias review, not everyone wastes a computer by playing games on it, some people actually use a computer for other usage and could care less if it displays 40trillion qabillion frames per second using 9 pci slots and water cooled 18ghz overclocked cpu.
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Sigh. You cant seem to understand this fact. Buying hardware from someone like newegg or some other cheap ass wholesale dealer does not give you a discount because you are knowing what you're doing. Try compiling all those exact parts and get me a total thats $600, you wont be able to do it. Even being, he built this computer three months ago, surprise, prices have changed since then! As for a 7200 rpm drive being slow, its not the RPMS that is the factor, it is the seek times. Some 7.2k drives have near or just as fast as your 10k drives and are way cheaper but granted not many.

Your last comment is what I'm griping about, you came into this thread with a bias review, not everyone wastes a computer by playing games on it, some people actually use a computer for other usage and could care less if it displays 40trillion qabillion frames per second using 9 pci slots and water cooled 18ghz overclocked cpu.

I think he could get $700 - $900 on ebay. $500 if he were try and sell it on this joke of a site.

im not saying that knowing what your doing will get you a discout, im saying that if you bought the exact same puter from say dell it would cost more because they have to put it together. instead of you putting it together your self, understand?

and a SATA drive will out preform that hands down i may have spoken wrong when i said the 7200 is slow im was meaning that one was.

and he sounded like he wanted to know what price he could sell his puter for... being its used and has no warrenty like you said, im sticking with my $600 price.

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this is getting fun i think, i just wanted to know what i could get from it lol. anyway i play condition zero on this computer and i have no issues what so ever so i'm just going to ignore the hd comment.

also my software was 100% legal thank you very much.
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a faster hard drive and you will notice load times drop, it might not be worth it to see a 1 second drop...but still

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When load times take 2 minutes, and a faster drive will drop it to 10 seconds... then you've got a point. But when they take 10 seconds, and a faster drive will drop it to 9.5 seconds... maybe it's just me, but I don't see the "uber" benefit.

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im not saying that knowing what your doing will get you a discout, im saying that if you bought the exact same puter from say dell it would cost more because they have to put it together. instead of you putting it together your self, understand?

and a SATA drive will out preform that hands down i may have spoken wrong when i said the 7200 is slow im was meaning that one was.
No, I realize what you're saying regarding "Its cheaper if you know what you are doing", but what you neglect to realize is that even when you pick these parts up online, its going to be well over $600. Regardless, I understood what you were attempting to say even though you couldnt figure out how to type it out correctly.

Its not SATA that makes the drive faster, its the faster seek. SATA came into play because IDE has needed a replacement for a long time and it was starting to hit its max in data transfer.

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im not saying that knowing what your doing will get you a discout, im saying that if you bought the exact same puter from say dell it would cost more because they have to put it together. instead of you putting it together your self, understand?
And that's why it's worth more than the sum of its parts, warranty or not.

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and a SATA drive will out preform that hands down i may have spoken wrong when i said the 7200 is slow im was meaning that one was.
Have you actually looked into the performance of SATA vs. IDE drives? If you think SATA is any faster then you are wrong.
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And that's why it's worth more than the sum of its parts, warranty or not.



Have you actually looked into the performance of SATA vs. IDE drives? If you think SATA is any faster then you are wrong.
It has been a trivial discussion, but fact of the matter is...SATA IS faster. It is worth the $10 over IDE, at the very least.

The general concensus is while SATA is faster, the technology is not quite there yet. But it is not HD side, it is in the actual SATA hardware (be it integrated or PCI). So it would be worthwhile to go ahead and purchase an SATA HD.

Anywho, I bet I could put the exact same computer together, with slightly used parts, for cheaper.
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4. Like I said before, building your own does not give you some kind of imaginery discount at teh store when you goto buy your parts.
I dont know who said imaginery discounts. But when your talking about hundreds of dollars, not much more would be around 100-200 more dollars. To me anyways.
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But it is not HD side, it is in the actual SATA hardware (be it integrated or PCI). So it would be worthwhile to go ahead and purchase an SATA HD.
It is all on the hard drive side, a 7200rpm 80GB 8.9ms IDE drive will run the EXACT SAME as a 7200rpm 80GB 8.9ms SATA drive. The only advantage that sata has is higher and faster throughput, but you can not take advantage of it without a drive that can keep up with the increased throughput.

Its like having a oc3 connection on a single computer, the computers hard drive and other parts would not be able to keep up with that kind of bandwidth with read and write requests so its pointless for some people to brag their machine is on a oc3 connection.

I swear I hate talking to some of the people on this site about hardware because you have to explain every little thing because they think they know what they are talking about

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I dont know who said imaginery discounts. But when your talking about hundreds of dollars, not much more would be around 100-200 more dollars. To me anyways.
Imaginery discount. If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700. You people came in this thread and all of the sudden since you've put together your first computer for grandma you think that you've found a secert weapon and can get that price even cheaper because you can build it. HOW DOES BEING ABLE TO BUILD A COMPUTER YOURSELF MAKE PARTS YOU BUY ANY CHEAPER?

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someone please tell me how i can build this computer for that cheap.

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Aspire X-Dreamer II case - $58
520 watt 3-fan Power supply - $60
Kingston 1g dual ddr 400mhz pc3200 - $135 - $200 ( Depends on 2x 512 or 1x 1024
Seagate 160gig 7200rpm hd - $70
AMD 3200+ w/ ABIT NF-7 motherboard - $200
ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128m - $160 ( depending on brand type )
CD Burner - $30

I didnt even include the price of the OS which runs $100+, wven doing it the cheapest way(like only using $135 for ram), it would cost you easily $720. Find me links to some cheaper pricing since you guys are so ELITE, show me how in the fuck you can build this guy's setup for $600, changing the hardware like with a biosstar mobo is not allowed, so dont try to bring in some cheap ass POS motherboard.


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well you can get rid of most of that last cost by being a student, or knowing one.

windows XP costs 20$ or something insignificant like that for the student version.


you can get Kingston HyperX ram from fry's for 169 2x512.

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well you can get rid of most of that last cost by being a student, or knowing one.
Sorry, I did not include the price of OS, add that in there and its well over $800.

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Aspire X-Dreamer II case - $58
520 watt 3-fan Power supply - $60
Kingston 1g dual ddr 400mhz pc3200 - $135 - $200 ( Depends on 2x 512 or 1x 1024
Seagate 160gig 7200rpm hd - $70
AMD 3200+ w/ ABIT NF-7 motherboard - $200
ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128m - $160 ( depending on brand type )
CD Burner - $30
Windows XP sp2 - $100 - $300

Even doing it the cheapest way, it would cost you easily $700. Find me links to some cheaper pricing since you guys are so ELITE, show me how in the fuck you can build this guy's setup for $600, changing the hardware like with a biosstar mobo is not allowed, so dont try to bring in some cheap ass POS motherboard.
You can't. Besides, some of them don't seem to realize that Newgg etc. are still making a profit off of them. Dell gets their hardware a lot cheaper than the average consumer ever will. Let me see. What will be cheaper by the unit? 10,000 processors bought in a single bulk purchase or 1 processor bought in a purchase?
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sorry cruz, i didn't bother to do the math on that one, to see that you hadn't included it.


if you HAVE to buy everything at once, it'd be VERY hard to get it below 700$

if you can pick and choose, and aren't in a hurry at all, you can Certainly save some money by picking up on the 'loss leader' sales.

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if you can pick and choose, and aren't in a hurry at all, you can Certainly save some money by picking up on the 'loss leader' sales.
I'm not going to sit here and say that you couldnt make it cheaper, but its not going to be $600 worth of hardware. Hell, even if you go with the cheap shit, all off brand crap, you're still going to be spending around $650.

The point is, no one on this site would be able to build the original persons computer for $600, no matter if you are so awesome you can build computers yourself or if your are some jack ass like me that doesn't give a shit.

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I would say he could sell it for the price of the hardware. Just due to the fact that the computer is 'used' and the unit itself doesn't not carry a warranty.
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I'm not going to sit here and say that you couldnt make it cheaper, but its not going to be $600 worth of hardware. Hell, even if you go with the cheap shit, all off brand crap, you're still going to be spending around $650.

The point is, no one on this site would be able to build the original persons computer for $600, no matter if you are so awesome you can build computers yourself or if your are some jack ass like me that doesn't give a shit.


ok, im not saying you can buy all that BRAND FUCKIGN NEW for $600 he asked how much his puter was worth, it being USED drops its vaule....

for a smart person you really are stupid, you assume alot of things.

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ok, im not saying you can buy all that BRAND FUCKIGN NEW for $600 he asked how much his puter was worth, it being USED drops its vaule....

for a smart person you really are stupid, you assume alot of things.
Ok, lets say since all the stuff he has is used. Even going the cheap route, he should take well over $100 off for it being used.

That being said, your intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would take a pc that cost $720 - $900 to build and ask $600 for it?


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I believe the thread starter got his question answered, so could you please lock this or close it or something.

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That being said, you're intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would take a pc that cost $720 - $900 to build and ask $600 for it?
Maybe. Depends on the buyer mostly. I wouldn't buy it for more than 600 dollars. The few hundred dollars that I would have to spend to purchase everything new would be more appealing than buying a used computer.
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Ok, lets say since all the stuff he has is used. Even going the cheap route, he should take well over $100 off for it being used.

That being said, your intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would take a pc that cost $720 - $900 to build and ask $600 for it?
That being said, your intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would buy a pc that cost $720 to build, has been used, and pay $900 for it?

You said so yourself to pay around $600 for it (even though that's cheaper than I think). $720-$100...?

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Not everyone knows how to built computers. Add in the cost of buying the parts, and in case you bought it online and get a faulty part also the cost to return it. That's why I hardly ever buy motherboards or memory online, it gets more expensive because of the shipping charges back and forth.

To someone who doesn't know how to built one (and we who do are in the minority) that computer is worth much more than $600. You'd pay double or triple from Dell/HP/Compaq/Gateway. It being used (barely) is hardly a factor if the seller has receipts (there would then be warranty on parts).
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the whole thing was 933 bucks, then a month later i upgraded ram to 1g dual ddr kingston(2 x 512), $189. i sold the 512 stick taht i had in there for 55 bucks. so the total in the computer what i paid is $1067. Everything i bought was from Newegg, except the ram upgrade was from fry's. anyway, the whole discussion about who can build a cheaper computer can be taken elsewhere, this thread was not intended for this. i understand if i'm lucky i could find someone to pay 1000. for someone who builds computers,between 600-700. ok thank you for answering my questions.
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Imaginery discount. If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700. You people came in this thread and all of the sudden since you've put together your first computer for grandma you think that you've found a secert weapon and can get that price even cheaper because you can build it. HOW DOES BEING ABLE TO BUILD A COMPUTER YOURSELF MAKE PARTS YOU BUY ANY CHEAPER?

I didnt say that it would make parts cheaper. You made my point. "If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700." So there we agree.
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