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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 08-18-2004, 07:22 PM Thread Starter
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CPU/Mobo suggestions

It looks like I need to replace my mobo so why not upgrade. Comparing Intel to Intel is easy, but how do you compare AMD to Intel? I'm going from a P3 850MHz. What is an AMD comparable unit? How does the Athlon XP compare to the Athlon 64? Any good deals you know of out there? I don't want to spend more than a couple of hundred for the combo since I will still need to get new RAM, case etc?

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If you don't want to spend a whole lot, don't even think about the 64 bit processors.

I just recently bought a combo from Fry's that includes the OEM P4 3gig and the EIC 848P-A motherboard, for $210. The motherboard isn't that great, but it's a good deal overall.
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I guess you didn't get your mobo fixed.

As for processors, I am waiting for the Intel price cut http://theinquirer.net/?article=17935 which AMD should follow. I am planning a AMD64 939 socket system next month. But like exlude said, AMD seems to be in command of the pricing field here because the AMD64s are hot. And I don't mean like, hot like the P4 Prescott.

AMD really caught Intel off guard with the AMD64 which is 32bit and 64bit capable. Intel had to scrap their I64 instruction set even though they were first to market. Now AMD not only appears to have a hot momma chip, they designed it from the ground up to be a SMP system processor from the ground up with the on board memory controller and new HT bus that is effective 1GB bidirectional, 2GB total. By the end of next year, AMD plans to release a dual core processor. Rumor is, that the dual core chip will drop in the 939 socket.

Intel will have to either paste together two P4s and call it a day, even with the already strained FSB. Or they will be late to market, because they will have to start a new mobo chip set with new busses.

Intel is having major problems. The P4s don't support NX bit to help prevent viruses. http://theinquirer.net/?article=17797 . Dell is about to give up its "Intel inside, ONLY!" The customers are demaining the AMD64. http://theinquirer.net/?article=17682. The P4 775 are question quality http://theinquirer.net/?article=17681 and may have to be thrown out if the dual cores need more system bandwidth.

The P4 system will have bang for buck and if they lower prices all the better. I just think the AMD64 is a better longer term solution .

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I guess you didn't get your mobo fixed.

As for processors, I am waiting for the Intel price cut http://theinquirer.net/?article=17935 which AMD should follow. I am planning a AMD64 939 socket system next month. But like exlude said, AMD seems to be in command of the pricing field here because the AMD64s are hot. And I don't mean like, hot like the P4 Prescott.

AMD really caught Intel off guard with the AMD64 which is 32bit and 64bit capable. Intel had to scrap their I64 instruction set even though they were first to market. Now AMD not only appears to have a hot momma chip, they designed it from the ground up to be a SMP system processor from the ground up with the on board memory controller and new HT bus that is effective 1GB bidirectional, 2GB total. By the end of next year, AMD plans to release a dual core processor. Rumor is, that the dual core chip will drop in the 939 socket.

Intel will have to either paste together two P4s and call it a day, even with the already strained FSB. Or they will be late to market, because they will have to start a new mobo chip set with new busses.

Intel is having major problems. The P4s don't support NX bit to help prevent viruses. http://theinquirer.net/?article=17797 . Dell is about to give up its "Intel inside, ONLY!" The customers are demaining the AMD64. http://theinquirer.net/?article=17682. The P4 775 are question quality http://theinquirer.net/?article=17681 and may have to be thrown out if the dual cores need more system bandwidth.

The P4 system will have bang for buck and if they lower prices all the better. I just think the AMD64 is a better longer term solution .
Sounds like you keep up-to-date with processors
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Sounds like you keep up-to-date with processors
I got spare time......, I mean, I have chance across articles while expanding my compotency our Linux system at work.
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Btw, to see how they compare power wise with overclocked computers of course, here is a list of SuperPI results from ocforums.com at http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=299054

If you never ran it here it is. http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/Pi/Super_Pi.html It is very CPU/band width demaining. My computer (AMD 2700 TBred @ 2.27Ghz) sucks at 1m 2min & 40 secs

Air Cooled:

DocLiv w/INTEL P4 Prescott 4.25ghz 32sec

Goldstandard w/AMD A64 2.5ghz 34sec

new_novice w/AMD Opteron 250 2.5ghz 34sec

jess1313 w/AMD A64 2.46ghz 34sec

Gautam w/AMD A64 2.5ghz 35sec

Edward2 w/INTEL P4 Northwood 3.9ghz 35sec

deathstar13 w/INTEL P4 Prescott 3.7ghz 35sec

mitro w/AMD XP 2.8ghz 35sec

Sjaak w/INTEL P4 Northwood 3.6ghz 39sec

Napu w/AMD XP 2.5ghz 41sec


Watercooling: (Not as extreme as it used to be...)

eva2000 w/INTEL P4 Gallatin 4ghz 32sec

Silver w/AMD A64 2.7ghz 33sec

Jhatfie w/AMD A64 2.5ghz 35sec

computerpro3 w/INTEL P4 Northwood 4ghz 36 sec

Kuroimaho w/INTEL P4 Prescott 3.9ghz 37sec

Extreme cooling: (Excluding Watercooling, Dry Ice and LN2)

d]g[ts w/AMD A64 2.7ghz 32sec

d]g[ts w/INTEL P4 4.05ghz 34sec

deathstar13 w/INTEL P4 Prescott 4ghz 34sec

StrongBadia w/INTEL Northwood 4.1ghz 34sec

Dry Ice:

Kunaak w/AMD A64 FX 3.1ghz 28sec
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No luck with the mobo repairs. Its doing the same thing as before. Fortunately the parts were free from the supplier as a foot in the door kind of thing. What I'm looking to do isn't extreme by any means. I surf the web, play a little music, dl a few movie clips and work on some MS Office docs for work. Intel isn't out of the picture by any means but I was leaning towards AMD this time for some reason. What I see so far is an XP2800 for ~$120 or an XP2600 for ~$90 and an ABIT NF7-M for ~$90 (onboard video). PC2700 DDR 512MB ~$100 for one stick. This should be a decent step up from my old system, right? DDR isn't the RAM you have to run 2+ sticks at a time, right?
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you are thinking of RAMBUS, the ram that you must replace in pairs.

if it were me, i would look at an intel 3.0C, after the price finally drops, if you aren't going to overclock.

i have one, and at stock speeds, it was great. now it's slightly enhanced and i'm still very happy with it. Just FYI, 3.45ghz, stock air cooling,

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HOLY DIAL UP batman!

lol, i tried it at 1280x960. oops.

p4 with 512MB of memory, stock cooling, decent graphics card, and you get one hell of a machine.
not sure if that is legible, so here's the scores.
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I would have to agree with Adam about getting a Intel after next week. It is a good bang for buck ratio. The P4 northwood cores are better un-overcocked than the prescott. The prescotts scale better with overclocking.
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So what's a decent graphics card? I don't game much now but I don't want to come to a screeching halt if I do.
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So what's a decent graphics card? I don't game much now but I don't want to come to a screeching halt if I do.

I just got an Nvidia (Chaintech) FX5700LE w/ 256mb of ram.. for a 100bucks.. Not a top of the line card but its cranking out Doom3 at 1156x864 at high quality at about 30fps. definatly worth a look at for a bang-for-buck card.
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Thanks for all of the help so far gang. If the price break is as good as expected and I go the 3+GHz P4 route, I assume a 350w power supply be plenty? Do you see any issues with this case? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...144-010&depa=1
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i am running an Antec smart blue 350w with a 3.0c, 2 120mm fans, 3 hdd, a 9800 pro, and 2 optical drives.

so far, it's been 60$ well spent.

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I think the best bang for buck Video Card out right now, is Nvidia's 5900XT or ATI's 9800pro
both are around the same price, and will future proof you for "awhile." Or if you could wait a month or two, Nividia's 6600 series cards will be the best bang for buck card HANDS DOWN! And will outperform 5950ultra's and 9800XT's...

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I built my own pc from parts on the net I only have a celeron but I will upgrade , am going to get a p4 for it soon, here is what I have and spent...
case black 19.88$*
cdrw drive 29.99*
gigabyte GA8ipe1000 pro 89.99 on sale
celeron 2.6 ghz 39.99
2 sticks of pc 2700 512 mb 49$ each on sale
* parts I had already*
my 80gb western digital I got from best buy for 99.99* with 60$ in rebates
so I have less than 350$ in my pos cpu ,
I got the stuff for the pc from www.newegg.com
and other places I visit is www.tigerdirect.com and www.zipzoomfly.com and all my stuff has been atleast 50% cheaper than bestbuy or any other store here in town....

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I take back my reconmendation for a P4 = bang for buck. I just ordered an upgrade set for my rig.

Abit NF7-S v2 mobo
AMD 2600+ XP-Mobile (2Ghz, 133*15)
Corsair DDR400 CAS 2.0 memory
$317 from www.newegg.com

This mobile setup is know for good repeatable result over clocking. Most people get 2.4Ghz (200 * 12) out of the box overclocking. The rest shoot for 2.5ghz to 2.6Ghz on air. Active cooling up over 3Ghz, but I aint spending $800 for an freon system.

And some guy named Merlin is making some hot Bios updates for the NF7-S boards.
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i made the mistake when buying a barton 2500 system, of buying the AN7, and dear god, i was holding the NF7 s in my hand, and i said, this one is newer, surely they ironed some old problems out, OOHHHHH was i wrong, the nf7s is one HELL of a board.

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I was thinking of building a socket 754 64 bit Amd are they as easy as my intel to build?

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