Heading to Fry's this weekend; need advice - DFWstangs Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 02:46 PM Thread Starter
IA2
 
mikeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 22,413
Heading to Fry's this weekend; need advice

I'm planning on upgrading an old computer i've got.

I want to reuse the existing video card, floppy drive, cd-rom drive, and most of the existing cards.

I plan to buy a case, mobo, processor, memory, and a replacement sound card & modem (old ones are ISA).

Main use is web surfing, some programming (visual studio type), and general entertainment & kid's game playing.

I have not kept up with the intel/amd situation in awhile. It does look like from some casual research that intel is "ahead" at the moment.

So, would you go with intel or amd? What's the sweet spot right now for price/performance? What kind of memory is required now?
I figure i'll load up 512mb.

Thanks - Mike

Edit: I've also heard that windows 98 has a glitch where it'll halt if the processor is > 2.1ghz. Anyone running windows 98 on a fast box? This PC is windows 98 and for a variety of reasons has to remain windows 98 for another year or so.

Last edited by mikeb; 04-13-2004 at 02:48 PM.
mikeb is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 02:48 PM
Your Real DAD
 
superlopez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Prowlin the streets,with my FUNNY friend. In good ol Checkaho,TX AKA GARLAND BITCH
Posts: 4,724
Look on the back of the buss. section of Sundays paper for the best deals.

I vote P4
superlopez is offline  
post #3 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 03:09 PM
Googlist-Wikipedian
 
Hunt4m3x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: de_aztec
Posts: 4,814
Don't let the sales people talk you into shit. Most of them up there are just trying to get a sell. If you ask for like the $60 512 stick of memory, they are like OMFG YOU NEED TEH MUSKIN EXTREME BLAH.

Its best to get the sells they have on back on the paper.

I would try to stay away from their "mail in rebate" bullshit.

My vote is for AMD.

2005 Infiniti G35 Sedan Ivory Pearl Premium

2006 Infiniti FX45 Liquid Platinum

2010 Polaris Ranger RZR S Orange Madness







Ban count: 2

Last edited by Hunt4m3x; 04-13-2004 at 03:11 PM.
Hunt4m3x is offline  
 
post #4 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 03:21 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 5,831
Re: Heading to Fry's this weekend; need advice

Quote:
Originally posted by mikeb
Edit: I've also heard that windows 98 has a glitch where it'll halt if the processor is > 2.1ghz. Anyone running windows 98 on a fast box? This PC is windows 98 and for a variety of reasons has to remain windows 98 for another year or so.
There is a fix on M$'s Website, I think it is only Win95 that suffers the problem.

It will boot into safe mode only; if it is going to suffer from the problem.
trey85stang is offline  
post #5 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 03:34 PM
Lifer
 
1994SilverGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Garland, TX
Posts: 1,975
get an intel. and i agree with him, at fry's they seem to be just looking for the sale. its pretty damn annoying

95' Red Mustang GT.

Slow.
1994SilverGT is offline  
post #6 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 03:42 PM Thread Starter
IA2
 
mikeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 22,413
Fry's must have changed. Usually you can't find an employee to ask a question.

I'll watch out for the upselling.
mikeb is offline  
post #7 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:15 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
I'll make a vote for AMD. My last couple computers have been AMD. I am currently using a 2700+ T-Bred chip (2.128Ghz Core, 233Mhz FSB). Don't listen to the Mhz argument, it is similar to someone saying my engine is better because it turns more RPMS.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #8 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:18 PM
3rd shift sloucher
 
RiSk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: some where between texas and mexico
Posts: 1,612
If on a budget go with a AMD, if not go with a p4 with 533 or 800 fsb,

Oh and you have to watch out cuz p4s run SO MUCH HOTTER then an AMD

: () { : | : & } ; : = <3
RiSk is offline  
post #9 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:20 PM
fuckcanada
 
Roliath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: fuckcanada
Posts: 5,325
Quote:
Originally posted by Hunt4m3x
My vote is for AMD.

Roliath is offline  
post #10 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:22 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
If you can wait why not shop online. Check out www.pricewatch.com
Is a P4 3.0Ghz faster than a AMD 3000+. Sometimes slightly, but not twice as fast. Save your money. edit: this is a picture of the CPU + MOBO combos.

Last edited by TexasDevilDog; 04-13-2004 at 06:25 PM.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:32 PM
3rd shift sloucher
 
RiSk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: some where between texas and mexico
Posts: 1,612
is that Ht or there extreme one?

: () { : | : & } ; : = <3
RiSk is offline  
post #12 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:38 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
Quote:
Originally posted by RiSk
is that Ht or there extreme one?
The P4 circled would not be the EE because that was in a 3.2Ghz chip, but who the f* can find one. The AMD64 3000 circled would blow the P4 3.0Ghz.

I don't know if it is HT, this is the site that advertised the price for the P4 3.0Ghz.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #13 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 06:42 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
Here is the cheapest 3.2Ghz EE and mobo. And this thing barely beats the AMD64 3200, but won't beat the AMD64 3400.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #14 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 07:07 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
Granted I'm over clocking my AMD 2700+ (stock: 2.128Ghz, 133 *16) (modified: 2.38Ghz, 140 *17). Mine benches well.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #15 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-13-2004, 11:42 PM
None
 
Jedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Anti-Newbie
Posts: 12,675


Fry's right now has two smoking deals for a basic system:

$500 : http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3921718/

or what might be best for you:

$200 : http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4010602

Either one of these configs would get you out at or cheaper than your original path.
Jedi is offline  
post #16 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 08:18 AM Thread Starter
IA2
 
mikeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 22,413
Unfortunately, I can't wait

The antivirus expired on it last week and I loaded norton 2004 internet security. The machine went from being dog slow to unusable. I've been told that it WILL be fixed this weekend I'll probably head over to fry's friday to beat the weekend rush.

So the 800mhz front side bus is what I want for a P4? What's the scoop on memory? Last I looked at memory it was amd/ddr vs. P4/rdram if that tells you anything. Do you still have to pay attention to memory speed (ie: 2/3 CAS)?
mikeb is offline  
post #17 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 08:31 AM
Lifer
 
ThreeFingerPete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 14,894
with an 800 fsb p4, you will want pc3200, which is actually 400mhz ram. as far as the latency, i would use cas 2/2.5 if you can afford it, but 3 will work.

ThreeFingerPete is offline  
post #18 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 09:00 AM
350z
 
Ktulu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NFW
Posts: 1,657
here is some advice fry's sucks

for all your computer needs www.newegg.com
Ktulu is offline  
post #19 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 09:58 AM
Lifer
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: McKinney
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally posted by Ktulu
here is some advice fry's sucks

for all your computer needs www.newegg.com
Another vote for newegg. Their service rocks, shipping is FAST. I can't say enough good things about them.

FSCK Frys

Chambers
chambers is offline  
post #20 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 12:41 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
Quote:
Originally posted by Ktulu
here is some advice fry's sucks

for all your computer needs www.newegg.com
I vote for newegg.com, unless you are just an impulse buying and can't wait a couple days or you'll explode.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
IA2
 
mikeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 22,413
Thanks guys. I agree fry's sucks but I figure I can find a suitable mobo and processor for what I need since I procrastinated too long to mail order. The last AMD t-bird system I put together from there has worked flawlessly.
mikeb is offline  
post #22 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 03:14 PM
Bite Me!!!
 
I Stang U's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: A new Beast in Town!!
Posts: 2,457
unload that norton security crap it will bog down the best of machines and load this..

http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php


I bet it will speed right back up...
I Stang U is offline  
post #23 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 03:59 PM
M0DERAT0R
 
Boss Hogg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Hazzard County
Posts: 19,655
On the sale items in the paper, get there before they open. They usually have a 25 unit limit.

I bought an AMD 2400 w/ MB for $59 and 512MB of memory for $69 last week from Frys. But the CPU fan cost me $11.

I bought a ATI Radeon 9700TX for $130 on ebay so I'm set for gaming.

My old PC will be for the daughter to play on. A 5 year old can do some damage.
Boss Hogg is offline  
post #24 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 07:41 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 7,291
I HATE Fry's.
Poisond281 is offline  
post #25 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-14-2004, 08:12 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 622
I'm a Fry's salesman.. except in the computer department
ky98gst is offline  
post #26 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-17-2004, 11:48 PM Thread Starter
IA2
 
mikeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 22,413
Went to the new fry's in plano. Very posh, very nice. Employees everywhere wanting to help. Much different than the garland store. They even have a little restaurant right in the middle of it.

Picked up an athlon 64 3400, asus k8v, and 512 mb ddr400 along with some other odds and ends and a new quiet atx case.

The athlon 64 flat rocks

There is an athlon 64 fx which isn't the same as the desktop athlon 64 (socket 940 instead of socket 754) so if you decide to go this way pick up the correct motherboard. The salesman handed me the wrong motherboard so i had to swap it out. Also, the amd cpu cooler is just weird how it attaches.

It's amazing how fast seti units get done now
mikeb is offline  
post #27 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-19-2004, 09:48 PM
Married Man on 14Feb2010
 
TexasDevilDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fort Worth, Texas (North Side)
Posts: 14,140
Quote:
Originally posted by mikeb
Picked up an athlon 64 3400, asus k8v, and 512 mb ddr400 along with some other odds and ends and a new quiet atx case.

The athlon 64 flat rocks
I want a new computer, I am going to wait for the Newcastle processor on the 939 socket mobo. Later this year.
TexasDevilDog is offline  
post #28 of 28 (permalink) Old 04-20-2004, 09:23 PM
You lookin' at mah EYE?!
 
DarkWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 8,316
Quote:
Originally posted by Ktulu
here is some advice fry's sucks

for all your computer needs www.newegg.com
Make it another vote for NewEgg. They fuck'n rock.

DarkWolf
Graphic Design / Photography / Web Design
DarkWolf is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the DFWstangs Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome