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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 02-29-2004, 08:23 PM Thread Starter
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Possible replacement for my current PC

Dell Dimension 8300 Series
Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology 3GHz w/800MHz FSB, Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Qty: 1
Price: ???

Date: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:52:33 PM CDT
Catalog Number: 29 19
Module Description Product Code Sku Id
Dell Dimension 8300 Series: Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology 3GHz w/800MHz FSB SP308H [221-2452] 1
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition WHXP [313-7222] [412-0409] [420-1921] 11
Mail-In Rebate Offer: Save $150 with mail-in rebate. Price shown before rebate. 150Q1 [462-7637] 56
FREE TurboTax Basic: FREE TurboTax® Basic for Tax Year 2003 TAX [420-4125] 106
Memory: 256MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz (2x128M) 256M4 [311-3000] 3
Hard Drive: FREE UPGRADE! 120GB Serial ATA Hard Drive, 7200RPM 120SP [462-4819] 8
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices: No Floppy Drive Included NFD [340-8442] 10
CD orDVD Drive: Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + FREE UPGRADE! 8x DVD+RW Drive DVD8DVP [313-2559] [430-0594] [462-7704] [462-7813] 16
Keyboard: Dell ® Quietkey ® Keyboard QK [310-1582] 4
Mouse: Dell® 2-button scroll mouse SM [310-1871] 12
Productivity Software: Productivity Pack including WordPerfect® and Money® COREL [412-0395] [412-0551] [412-0555] 22
Security Software: McAfee Security Center w/VirusScan, Firewall and Privacy, 90-day trial MCAFE90 [412-0632] 25
Monitors: Video Ready w/o Monitor N [320-3000] 5
Video Card: New 128MB DDR GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI 128FX52 [320-0735] 6
Sound Card: Integrated 5.1 Channel Audio IS [313-2758] 17
Dell Media Experience: Dell Media Experience™ DMX [412-0519] 115
Speakers: No Speaker Option N [313-2198] 18
Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH MMBASE [412-0516] 27
Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio, Paint Shop Pro Trial, Photo Album Starter Edition DPS [412-0521] 28
Multi-Media Players: RealOne™ Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial REALBAS [412-0380] 40
Dial-Up Internet Access: 6 Months America Online Internet Access Included AOLDHS [412-0587] [412-0625] [420-3224] 37
Modem: 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem DFAX [313-1313] 14
Network Interface: Integrated Intel® PRO 10/100 Ethernet IN [430-0412] 13
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Limited Warranty plus 1 Year At-Home Service S111OS [412-0360] [950-1260] [950-3337] [950-9797] 29
Surge Protectors - Protect Your Investment: Belkin SurgeMaster Gold - 10 Outlet with Coax (for Broadband) GOLD10 [A0109553] 238

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I'd get at least 512mb ram esp with XP. Also I prefer XP pro over home.

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I'd get at least 512mb ram esp with XP. Also I prefer XP pro over home.
You think? It's $50 extra to add another 512 ddr stick. Worth it?

Also, I have a GF4 Ti4600, a Audigy 5.1 (24 bit), and an extra 60 Gb Hdd waiting for the new computer. Those parts are currently installed on this stupid PC.
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Yes. 256mb with xp is bare minimum. We run that at work and all they run is outlook and back office package and local anti virus.

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Ahh.. I see. I *may* not go with this unit. I found an HP at CompUSA with a 3.0 ghz P4, 512 dual channel ddr, 180 Gb HDD dvdr/w cr/rw and cd rom for less.
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why not just build one?



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why not just build one?



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Because right now it's easier for me to buy one. I don't have the patience to build one either.
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'patience' equals money saved
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If you're getting a 3GHz P4, get at least 512MB of memory and a good display card. ATI 9800XT would be my choice but 9600 Pro if you don't want to spend that much.
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'patience' equals money saved
I've heard that. I like warranty, tho. I'm not sure what I can get with a custom built.




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If you're getting a 3GHz P4, get at least 512MB of memory and a good display card. ATI 9800XT would be my choice but 9600 Pro if you don't want to spend that much.
Yes, if you check out the HP from CompUSA, you'll see that it has 512mb. It also will cost me less.
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Yes, if you check out the HP from CompUSA, you'll see that it has 512mb. It also will cost me less.
Change the video card, that FX5200 isn't very good. Either 9800XT ($400), 9800 Pro ($200) or 9600 Pro ($100).

If you build a comparable computer yourself, you'll save $300-400.
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Change the video card, that FX5200 isn't very good. Either 9800XT ($400), 9800 Pro ($200) or 9600 Pro ($100).

If you build a comparable computer yourself, you'll save $300-400.

I already have a GF4 Ti4600 I can put on it. Will that make a difference?


Where can I get the parts to build one? What all will I need?

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well you obviously have your mind set on the hp.... but remember the problems you are having now... well just remember that....


and doesn't warranty die once you as an unathorized repair agent has opened the case and swaped parts with non warranty parts....
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ATI cards are a peice of shit. Too many conflicts with other boards and programs and their propritary software is too damn cumbersome to deal with. Just find a nice nvidea card that runs in the background and be done with it.

I've had a 9600, 9700 all in wonder, and a 9800 pro and have been VERY displeased with them in comparison with the nvidea.

Get the biggest video card and fastest HD you can afford as well as at least 512ddr ram... everything else doesn't really matter. I can't tell the difference between my 2.4 box at work and my 3.0 box at home.
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I already have a GF4 Ti4600 I can put on it. Will that make a difference?
On a system like that, it's the lowest I would go. My recommendation would be 9800 Pro.

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Where can I get the parts to build one? What all will I need?
In general a good place to find parts is

http://www.pricewatch.com/

And some good deals (usually involve mail in rebates)

http://www.ableshopper.com/

Memory, I would go and buy that from Fry's as it might be defective and you would need to go and exchange it. Run memtest every time you buy memory to make sure it is ok. A lot of the times it will work but some of the memory ranges are bad.
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I'm still waiting on a PM reply from Mystic96 to see if I can get some sort of a deal on the HP.


Guys, thanks for the advice, and opinions. Now I have to get my math adder upper and pencil to see what I can do with a custom built.
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Sweet. Thanks Mike!
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Just to give you a comparison to base off of, going all from www.newegg.com:

P4 3.0GHz, 512 ram, abit mobo, 9600XT video card, mini tower = less than $600 (can't find my sheet that I was writing prices down, or I'd get the exact price, was around $570, all parts with free shipping).

Didn't price hard drive, because I have an 80 gig waiting, and didn't price a monitor because I'm going to use my Dell credit to get one ... but I see that one from CompUSA doesn't have a monitor included. Didn't price sound card because I have a SB Live waiting for it already (But those are only $30ish) Didn't price cdrom/rw, dvdrom/rw because I have them already as well. CD burners average about $50 for 52x, DVD burners average about $150 for 8x. You can get those 7 in 1 media card readers for around $30.

You can get a 160gig hdd for around $150 - $200 depending on brand and specs (sometimes less). The Abit board has onboard nic, 4 usb 2.0, and 2 1394 ports (firewire). So less than $800 - $900 for everything. All parts come with manufacturer's warranties, which are usually at least 1 year, but can be up to 5 years.

Granted this is all priced from one place, because I've dealt with NewEgg on a number of occasions, and have been very pleased with their service. You could probably very easily knock off another $200+ by finding the absolute lowest prices from www.pricewatch.com ... my problem with doing that is the potentially shady operations, fly by night kind of shit that you might run into. Send 'em your money, don't get the product, never hear/see from 'em again. I'd rather spend a little more on a company I know is trustworthy, and still provides very low prices, compared to buying retail.

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CD burners average about $50 for 52x, DVD burners average about $150 for 8x. You can get those 7 in 1 media card readers for around $30.
I would say those are high prices. CD burner, from free to $20. DVD burner, from $70-$110 (brand names like Sony and Pioneer). Media readers, from free to $20.

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You can get a 160gig hdd for around $150 - $200 depending on brand and specs (sometimes less).
Just bought one from Fry's for $90 and it has another $30 off from MIR. 7200rpm ATA.
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Well, guys I appreciate the opinions given to me, and none of it went without consideration. I had to do what was in my best interest.


Sooo

Without further adue,
Asus Mobo
P4 3.0 Ghz
512 DDR (400 mhz)
160 GB Hdd + 60 GB HDD
GF4 TI4600
Audigy 5.1 sound card
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from alot of the reviews on newegg and tom's hardware, etc. if you try to max out the RAM with 400hz sticks, it can cause alot of conflicts as well. alot of motherboards are picky with the 400hz ddr as well. Asus has a website that details each motherboards's compatibility with the 400 mhz Ram. wise idea to check it out before purchasing the ram. (i'd go with DDR 333 and max out the board, save money and give yourself room to grow)
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from alot of the reviews on newegg and tom's hardware, etc. if you try to max out the RAM with 400hz sticks, it can cause alot of conflicts as well. alot of motherboards are picky with the 400hz ddr as well. Asus has a website that details each motherboards's compatibility with the 400 mhz Ram. wise idea to check it out before purchasing the ram. (i'd go with DDR 333 and max out the board, save money and give yourself room to grow)

I'm sticking with the 400 @ 512mb. I feel that this is adequate for my needs.
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I would say those are high prices. CD burner, from free to $20. DVD burner, from $70-$110 (brand names like Sony and Pioneer). Media readers, from free to $20.



Just bought one from Fry's for $90 and it has another $30 off from MIR. 7200rpm ATA.
See It's been a while since I've shopped for those Good to see prices have dropped, might just look into getting a bigger hdd for the new computer.

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