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build or buy.

its getting that time. i can use some parts from my current set up and build it. or just shop around for a built machine and throw in my vid card and memory. ive seen some decent to me deals for like 350-400 just swap my stuff in get a new monitor/keyboard and vid card and have a decent machine.
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I say build exactly what you want. All 3 of the XP 's I have are flawless. The MSI motherboards are my preference. The prices keep coming down as well. Plus it's fun.
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I somewhat agree to build. But lately the cost of buying a prebuilt machine has become so cheap it is almst worth just buying them prebuilt. Staples has a Compaq Presario 2.4ghz celeron, 40 GB HDD, CDRW, 128 DDR, onboard LAN, modem, sound, and video for 374.99 plus a $75.00 instant purchase rebate, and then a $50.00 mail in rebate, free shipping and no sales tax. So after all is said and done you have spent a total of $249.99 on a decent computer that you can put your nice vid and sound card in.

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see thats the thing. ive already got a 128mb vid card. and memory is no big deal.
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Hell, I don't care if they GIVE away Compaq's. I wouldn't take one. Shittiest computers I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

Oh yeah, and I'd say build your own. If you know how, the question should never cross your mind

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If you already have the software, and don't need someone else to fix it if it breaks, I say build. I just built a box with a 2500+ barton for next to nothing, and it SMOKES.
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i build,

its cheaper and you get what YOU want not what they want ya to have,

And i use both AMD, and P4, i personaly use p4 due to the Memory band with on my p4 is amazing, i have 533 fsb, and a 2.53 overclocked to over 3.06

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These days it can actually be cheaper to buy a manufactured PC. Plus, then if you have any hardware failure, you have only one warranty service dept to deal with...no punting issues. I can tell you this...I've built computers and I've bought them. When I've bought them it was from Dell, and they have incredible warranty service. Over the years they have replaced speaker systems, cd-rom drives, a motherboard, and a monitor...all at no extra cost to me, and all the very next business day. All I had to do is put the old unit back in the box the new one came in and put on the label they sent with it and it's all over with. I would SO much rather do that than try to get a hardware component manufacturer provide warranty service on an item. Not to mention the warranty can be 4 years long if you want.

If you do anything crucial on your PC to where you can't be without it (trading stocks or running a small business for example), the promise of a new part the next business day is pretty exciting.

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the only reason i dount buy Dell, or others like that is all they build is shit, i mean i have taken them apart and there is little to no thermal Paste on the HeatSink to CPU, they dont have enof CFM's in the case, they use shit MoBo, and 2nd rate CPUS
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the only reason i dount buy Dell, or others like that is all they build is shit, i mean i have taken them apart and there is little to no thermal Paste on the HeatSink to CPU, they dont have enof CFM's in the case, they use shit MoBo, and 2nd rate CPUS
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if dell machines are shit why are they one of the top sellers ??????


think again.


And it is not because of price... the use genuie parts... granted years ago they built some pretty shitty machines... but they are top notch now... now HP/compaq... now that is a different story... they went to shit when they merged LOL
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wow, i mean Civics are crap and y are they a top seller, they are cheap, easy to make, and buy, if you know nothing about PCs, and i showed you my PC and showed you a dell you prob take a dell, and also what is the Upgrade ability of Dell?, i mean in 4 month's when the 3.06 CPU is cheaper i will be able to drop that in my system where as a dell you have to buy all new, does dell offer ATA, Raid, FireWire, NOPE, they give you 512 at max of some off band Memory, when i run Crucial memory, and i attain better speeds then they could EVER hope to, i could compare my system to and system they made with the same specs and i will win, all my stuff runs cooler, so it runs faster, i have better stuff, so i run faster,
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wow, i mean Civics are crap and y are they a top seller, they are cheap, easy to make, and buy, if you know nothing about PCs, and i showed you my PC and showed you a dell you prob take a dell, and also what is the Upgrade ability of Dell?, i mean in 4 month's when the 3.06 CPU is cheaper i will be able to drop that in my system where as a dell you have to buy all new, does dell offer ATA, Raid, FireWire, NOPE, they give you 512 at max of some off band Memory, when i run Crucial memory, and i attain better speeds then they could EVER hope to, i could compare my system to and system they made with the same specs and i will win, all my stuff runs cooler, so it runs faster, i have better stuff, so i run faster,

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dell overs that and more.. and if you buy the tower and not the slim line you can upgrade all you want... get a clue and don't speak about shit you don't know.
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the only reason i dount buy Dell, or others like that is all they build is shit, i mean i have taken them apart and there is little to no thermal Paste on the HeatSink to CPU, they dont have enof CFM's in the case, they use shit MoBo, and 2nd rate CPUS
That is true, My friend has one and theirs like no paste on it and his shit kept locking up for over heating. His dad also had a "top of the line dell" and he just gave it away. They wanted him to pay like 150$ for 256memory or he voids the shit.

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wow, i use a thermaltake tower, and i am running a 2.53 OC to 3.6 with 533 frontside bus, and no you cant upgrade you shit with out doing it tru dell, what brand of Motherboard does dell use?....oh wait you cant tell me, the use there own brand, How many watts is there PSU.....oh wait you cant tell me because they dont say, what brand of Hard Drive do they use......oh wait you cant tell me, so how do you know how many RPMS the Drive is?
Oh and what brand is there CD/dvd burners....oh wait you still cant tell me so how do i know it will work with the software that i use? Dell is good for the every day joe blow that doesnt that buys a new computer 1 time every two years, but me i use my stuff after i upgrade, whens the last time you heard some one boasting about WOW LOOK HOW GOOD MY TEMPS ARE ON MY DELL, nope sorry just doesnt happen, Dells are for the person that is a end user and has no idea wtf is going on inside there PC, and if you like Dell more power to you, but me personal i build my own i like gettin more bang for my buck.

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Dells are for the person that is a end user and has no idea wtf is going on inside there PC,
Whoa there junior. I know PLENTY about what's going on inside a PC. I know that most people I know who build their own PC's are always complaining about how something doesn't work right, about the nightmare of trying to get hardware replaced from individual component manufacturers. I know what brands my components are, thank you. I have built several PCs. Just because I choose to spend a few extra bucks (not many more) for a good warranty which gives me peace of mind, that doesn't mean I don't know "WTF is going on inside my PC".

I'm not here to extoll the virtues of Dell, I just don't appreciate your insults when you don't even know me (us) or what I (we) know.
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if dell machines are shit why are they one of the top sellers ??????


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And it is not because of price... the use genuie parts... granted years ago they built some pretty shitty machines... but they are top notch now... now HP/compaq... now that is a different story... they went to shit when they merged LOL
No, HP went to shit when Compaq bought them. HP's used to be good, Compaq's have ALWAYS been shitty

Dell's on the other hand ... while they use genuine and generally non-proprietary parts, I still won't buy their desktop systems. Laptops are a different story. After supporting them for over 2 years, and seeing all the shit that would happen with them, most often with systems right out of the box ... I'd never recommend buying a Dell desktop to anyone.

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wow, i use a thermaltake tower, and i am running a 2.53 OC to 3.6 with 533 frontside bus, and no you cant upgrade you shit with out doing it tru dell, what brand of Motherboard does dell use?....oh wait you cant tell me, the use there own brand, How many watts is there PSU.....oh wait you cant tell me because they dont say, what brand of Hard Drive do they use......oh wait you cant tell me, so how do you know how many RPMS the Drive is?
Oh and what brand is there CD/dvd burners....oh wait you still cant tell me so how do i know it will work with the software that i use? Dell is good for the every day joe blow that doesnt that buys a new computer 1 time every two years, but me i use my stuff after i upgrade, whens the last time you heard some one boasting about WOW LOOK HOW GOOD MY TEMPS ARE ON MY DELL, nope sorry just doesnt happen, Dells are for the person that is a end user and has no idea wtf is going on inside there PC, and if you like Dell more power to you, but me personal i build my own i like gettin more bang for my buck.
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I know that most people I know who build their own PC's are always complaining about how something doesn't work right, about the nightmare of trying to get hardware replaced from individual component manufacturers.

Most people? I have never heard anyone bitch about something failing or something to get something replaced. Only one i ever heard is, that my friend couldn't use his FX yet because of ShadowBane not supporting and waiting on the Dx9.

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Yes, i am just lazy so i dont bother doing any of my grammar on here.

And adressing the fact that Most people that build computers have problems is not really all that true. I had my computer for 7 months befor i had a real problem. Also Dell laptops are a complet diffrent story they do have Deceint laptops, but i still say and will stand by my statment of Dell desktop's are SHIT!
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Yes, i am just lazy so i dont bother doing any of my grammar on here.

And adressing the fact that Most people that build computers have problems is not really all that true. I had my computer for 7 months befor i had a real problem. Also Dell laptops are a complet diffrent story they do have Deceint laptops, but i still say and will stand by my statment of Dell desktop's are SHIT!
I didn't say most people who build computers have problems. I just said that most of the people I KNOW who do that are always griping about how something's not working right.
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Risk, I have a HP, and I'm happy with it. 1.7 ghz, 640 ram, 140 gb.... GF4, yadda yadda yadda... Air flow issues? Just do what I did. Modify the case, or just slap all the internals into a new high flow case. I love mine.

Oh, I have yet to see or read anywhere about a person OC'ing their processor 1000+ MHZ..... A bit much? I've seen 300 at most.

Who knows, you may have the god of all processors at home.

I;m happy with my pre-built, even though I was 2 weeks without it....


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wow, i use a thermaltake tower, and i am running a 2.53 OC to 3.6 with 533 frontside bus, and no you cant upgrade you shit with out doing it tru dell, what
Oh, I forgot to ask what MoBo and Processor combo?
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I agree with the post about the end user...if you don't know anything then go with dell stay arawy form compaq...as far what I do is I use to go to 1st Saturday in Dallas...but now I just call up BRM Digital and tell him what I wnat he builds it and I pick it up I just ordered 2 machines from him...

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i am using a p4 2.53 with a zalman CNPS7000-Cu http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/z...=google#7000cu
and i am using an Asus p4s533-e, i have 2 80+ cfm fans that all all hooked up to a Rehostat ( fan controler), all my memory is heatsinked, and my geforce 4 ti 4600 has a heatsink from thermal take on it and Tweak monster ram heat sinks
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i am using a p4 2.53 with a zalman CNPS7000-Cu http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/z...=google#7000cu
and i am using an Asus p4s533-e, i have 2 80+ cfm fans that all all hooked up to a Rehostat ( fan controler), all my memory is heatsinked, and my geforce 4 ti 4600 has a heatsink from thermal take on it and Tweak monster ram heat sinks
Those Ram Sinks are worthless. They tested to cool the ram by just a tiny bit. I've been searching for extreme OC speeds, and oddly, your speeds blow everyone out of the water by at least 600 MHz. I think that's a bit odd.
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my avarge overclock speed is 3020, i can over clock all the way up to 3.6 but i run hot, as expected, i am on all HIGH cfm fans, my room is a nice 65-70 deg all the time, and my CPU fan is running at 3000 rpms and its a 92 mm fan
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oh and my Fans are ducted, so 2 of my high cfm fans blow cool air right on to the CPU, and Chipset,
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I'm about to jimmy rig a duct my side port fan to my GF4, it runs way hotter than everything else. 85.2-89.7 @idle and 95+ @ play or OC'd
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wow i am using a GeForce4 ti 4600 Oced, and my idle is like 28c, and load is 32c,
So 28 = 82, and 32 = 89, so yea your running really hot
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wait risk i didnt think your pc was p4 2.53?? what is goin on with that lying about shit again huh? i was a 1.3 i thought

o wait it is in "grapevine"



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RiSk

wow, i use a thermaltake tower, and i am running a 2.53 OC to 3.6 with 533 frontside bus, and no you cant upgrade you shit with out doing it tru dell,

Wrong


what brand of Motherboard does dell use?....oh wait you cant tell me, the use there own brand,

Intel 875P on my PowerEdge 400SC.

How many watts is there PSU.....oh wait you cant tell me because they dont say,

250 is what mine is. I have read that they are conservative though. Mine has worked flawlessly so far, and DAMN is this thing QUIET

what brand of Hard Drive do they use......oh wait you cant tell me, so how do you know how many RPMS the Drive is?

Mine is a Seagate Barracuda 40Gig 7200 RPM.

Oh and what brand is there CD/dvd burners....oh wait you still cant tell me so how do i know it will work with the software that i use?

I wouldn't buy that kind of equipment from Dell because they gouge the hell out of their accessories prices.

Dell is good for the every day joe blow that doesnt that buys a new computer 1 time every two years, but me i use my stuff after i upgrade, whens the last time you heard some one boasting about WOW LOOK HOW GOOD MY TEMPS ARE ON MY DELL, nope sorry just doesnt happen, Dells are for the person that is a end user and has no idea wtf is going on inside there PC, and if you like Dell more power to you, but me personal i build my own i like gettin more bang for my buck.

I have always built my own computers, and used AMD processors, however when I saw the PE400SC on Dell's SB site for $539 shipped, equipped with P4 3.2G processor, 40Gig HD, and Intel i875P motherboard, I had to buy it. Hell the Processor alone is $600+, I added my video card, cd/rw and dvd player, a Gig or ram and my 80 GIG hd with Slack, and fired it up. Only bad part about the machine is the bios recognizes the DDR433 memory as DDR333, but they are working on a bios update for that problem.

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jarrett do you even know what O.C is?

you make the computer FASTER via uping voltages, FSB multiplyer, mem Voltages,
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I can tell you this, I used to build no questions asked, the first PC I threw together was an XT 8088. But after weighing the options I buy everytime now and I always buy Gateway. You can put together what you want and have a warranty. I've never had a problem upgrading them. When I worked as Senior Technical Manager at 214-FIX MY PC I never got a call to service a Gateway and I fixed 100s if not 1000s of PCs

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jarrett do you even know what O.C is?

you make the computer FASTER via uping voltages, FSB multiplyer, mem Voltages,

huh????? you make it faster with lower voltages, lower voltages = lower rise and fall time for the signal, it also allows for lower tempratures. buses have gone from 5v to 3.5v now to 1.1v the lower limit is .7v for a silicon junction but with new materials .7v highs are on the way.

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