Originally posted by MoonDog
I think you are confusing slave with servant.
Slaves have no choice in who they serve and usually get nothing in return for their work. Where servants usually get some type of compensation and can usually choose who to serve.
Im not confusing it at all. Look at your own definitions you posted.
Where did it specify where Man was given a choice to whom he may serve? That didn't happen until post-AppleEating.
Where did you see that Man was compensated?
Even slaves are given food and shelter, for without food, the slave would simply die from starvation, and the Master would no longer have that slave.
Originally posted by MoonDog
God has called us to be servants. The New Testament states that Jesus came and took on the form of a servant, not a slave. He made the choice to serve God and got greatly rewarded.
Im not saying that we are slaves today. The post was concerning our original creation. And so far, until the point of Man eating from the Tree of Knowledge, Man was a slave.
Notice that after Man and Woman ate from the tree, they both realized they were naked, and ashamed.
5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom
, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves
Now - beyond the fact that they "gained knowledge", how DID they know what naked was and meant? I would think then that God and the sons of God that frequented the Garden of E'den wore garments. How else would would they know that they were different from the only other beings they had seen? Also note that not one single animal in history ever ate from the tree of knowledge. Not a bird, snake, cow, squirrel, whatever. Only MAN ever did, and realized that he was a naked slave, and felt ashamed.
You can't argue that being naked is evil either. Otherwise, we are all guilty of sin at various times of the day for doing nothing more than being in our birthday suits. No, eating from the Tree of Knowledge symbolized much more. Being a slave wasn't a favorable societal position, and once their eyes were opened, they realized that they were in fact slaves, and felt very low in comparison to God, as they should have.
However, I'll start a new post with some other thoughts on that whole matter. Regardless, In my current way of thinking, I believe that when they ate from the Tree of Knowledge, they actually did us a favor, setting us free, and giving us the ability to decide whom to worship, regardless of the physical consequences bestowed upon the human race after this event.
Im sure the work Adam did in the Garden, pre-AppleEating, was much less laboureous than physcial labor was afterwards.
But again, I DO NOT believe we are all slaves today. I believe there are a LOT of people that are slaves to Satan and his cause some unknowingly and some willingly. But as of this moment, and after doing some research, I do believe we were originally created on this planet as slaves, regardless of how cush the job may have been compared to our knowledge of slaves today.