Originally posted by MoonDog
When you said you were studying "various religions" IMO you were not talking about christian historians, but were talking about people that have a bias toward Christianity. I welcome others opinions, just not sarcastic remarks like that one. And that is exactly what it was.
If someone is meditating/or whatever they do, and they astral project, are they dreaming? If you say yes, some would say you have no idea what you are talking about. If you say no, then why would John have to have been dreaming. The difference with John and others though is that others do it themselves, with John, God took him into Heaven.
To answer another question, Revelation does not have to do with the rapture. It has to do with endtime events, the end of the secular society, the new millinium, and eternity. The rapture is discribed in other areas of the bible. Some people believe all this takes place after the rapture.
It was sarcastic because I have studied various religions, and on a number of times, both with Christians, and with non-Christians, Revelations is said/believed to have been a dream. When I conduct a study, I'm sure to be thorough, and look at it from all angles/sides/opinions/facts that I can get my hands on. I'm not going to study religions from a non-Christian bias and then base my opinions/beliefs on those findings. That would be akin to the blind leading the blind. It was also sarcastic, because I don't believe in an "end time" in the same sense as it's presented in revelations (and revelations is one of my favorite parts of the Bible ... odd). I've become a bit jaded the past few years with all this talk of "The end is near", and people so sure it's going to be in 1998 ... oh wait! No, I meant 2000! ... Oops... I mean 2005.
Everyone running scared because "the signs of the apocolypse" are everywhere. Sometimes it takes a lot to restrain myself from laughing out loud at the rediculousness. If the end is near, so be it ... why worry about it? There's not a whole helluva lot you can do about it anyway.
Astral Projection and a dream are two entirely different things, I'm well aware. It's pretty clear the authors intent when it is written "The account of revelations was given to John in a dream".
As for rapture, I know that it's spoken of at other times, however, it is linked with revelations, because whether you believe it's before, during or after revelations, it's connected.