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Recovering after loosing faith?

I was a "christian" since I was 21, I put that in quotes because what does that really mean anyway?
I am now 30, and have come to the conclusion that I can't accept the Bible as absolute truth.
I have come to the conclusion that because there is truth behind something does not make it divine.
I fell back into a couple of bad habits as I did not have a reason not to indulge so to speak, but then have recently realized just because something is not a "sin" doesn't make it okay, so I am relearning boundaries etc.

What I am really having an issue with is deprograming myself after all I have been through.
Anyone else been here?
Could sure use some direction.

All in all it is a relief of sorts, but it is difficult looking at the world with new eyes.

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2 Peter 1:5-8 (KJV)

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


You have all these things within you now.
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2 Peter 1:5-8 (KJV)

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


You have all these things within you now.
?

What's that supposed to mean?
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I can definitely relate, I grew up in a christian home... but strayed later on in life. My own self perception of what it was to live right haunted me for so long and in return I sought all the bad habits you can think of. Only to find those things made me feel even more unfulfilled and in a pit of my own despair for too long. I'm now expecting my first child and it has left me searching for purpose and meaning in life again to raise my kid to be better than I am.

The thing about Christians and religion is too often it exploits people and disguises itself as enlightenment and lies masquerade as truth, God loves an honest agnostic more than a religious hypocrite. What being a Christian should mean is simply to be a follower of Christ.

Just like you sharing your experience, testimonies have the power to connect us with one another. Our stories that share our personal experience of the divine support us in our spiritual journey. The history of faith in God has been built on personal testimony, the bible is a collection of testaments. The New Testament Gospels are the most amazing testimonials to God's love for all people, as Jesus exuded the greatest example of a perfect man. In essence, thats what we are all looking for acceptance and love. The power of God works through these stories to change our lives. It was the power of God that worked in the lives of a few men and women telling stories of Jesus Christ that conquered the most powerful empire in the history of the world. (not in the physical but more importantly in the spiritual sense, which was after their regret of crucifying the messiah)

If you read the bible with indifference or cynicism it doesnt respond. The spirit of God that spoke to the hearts of the writers of the books of the bible will not impose its living word on any unwilling recipient. The spirit of truth wants to converse with us as long as we are receptive to know and grow in the divine conversation.

It's crazy you posted this I felt lead last night to share my testimony with someone but wasnt sure with whom. I recently read this book; My Descent Into Hell A second Chance At Life by Howard Storm. It is about a man who had a near death experience and had encounters in the spiritual realm, they are far too vivid and meaningful to be hallucinations. A lot of what I said is some of what spoke to me from the book. I encourage anyone to read it, the book really sheds light on a lot of the main issues we all struggle with understanding.



Origin of the Bible - The Power of Prophecy
The origin of the Bible is God. It is a historical book that is backed by archeology, and a prophetic book that has lived up to all of its claims thus far. The Bible is God's letter to humanity collected into 66 books written by 40 divinely inspired writers over a period of over 1,600 years. The claim of divine inspiration may seem dramatic (or unrealistic to some), but a careful and honest study of the biblical scriptures will show them to be true. Powerfully, the Bible validates its divine authorship through fulfilled prophecies. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false (three are unconfirmed). God decided to use prophecy as His primary test of divine authorship, and an honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the supernatural origin of the Bible. Skeptics must ask themselves, "Would the gambling industry even exist if people could really tell the future?" Again, no other holy book comes even close to the Bible in the amount of evidence supporting its credibility, authenticity and divine authorship.

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You'll be fine. Just don't use not believing in heaven and hell as a reason to be a douche.
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You'll be fine. Just don't use not believing in heaven and hell as a reason to be a douche.
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2 Peter 1:5-8 (KJV)
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


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?

What's that supposed to mean?
I won't ever state that a Bible passage is "supposed" to mean anything other than what it directly says to the reader. To me, this passage reflects stages that many Christians experience in the maturation of their faith, i.e. first a seeker, then a believer, then a disciple, and then a servant.

The O.P. may be experiencing this maturation process.
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2 Peter 1:5-8 (KJV)
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.




I won't ever state that a Bible passage is "supposed" to mean anything other than what it directly says to the reader. To me, this passage reflects stages that many Christians experience in the maturation of their faith, i.e. first a seeker, then a believer, then a disciple, and then a servant.

The O.P. may be experiencing this maturation process.
I wasn't asking what the passage meant, I was asking why it applied to this situation. Sure, the passage refers to believers, but the original poster just came out and said he's not a believer anymore. So the passage doesn't apply to him.
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post #13 of 16 (permalink) Old 10-06-2010, 10:57 AM
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2 Peter 1:5-8 (KJV)

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


You have all these things within you now.
See that's my problem with the bible (and any religious document really). How are you supposed to understand that stuff? Sounds like it was written by William Shakespeare or something. And even if you could believe that it was the exact word for word translation... still how can you ever really know what they meant? I don't think you ever really can. Not for sure, anyway. I mean you can kinda get some of the basic message there, in a broad and general sense. Kind of. But what if what you interpret it to be, is not actually what the author meant?
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Not a problem, the author makes Himself very clear.
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well not to me. when it comes to understanding most of that stuff, i'm at a loss
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well not to me. when it comes to understanding most of that stuff, i'm at a loss
I was the same way with the Old Testament until a few years ago. Having since read through it I now find it fascinating and a great resource for understanding the history of God's direct involvement with mankind.
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