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What is a Jew, what is Isreal?

"The facts are clear now, that most of those who call themselves Jews are not real seed of Abraham Jews and have no claim to the land of Palestine because they have no genetic relationship to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. This truth must no longer be suppressed within Christian dispensational theory. The October 29, 1996 N.Y. Times, in an article entitled, "Scholars Debate Origins of Yiddish and the Migrations of Jews". "

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The Jews (Isreal) have based their chosen-ness by seed.
The Arabs can now move into Isreal, it is their right by seed (Hagar and Ishmael).
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Slightly biased? lol.

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Seed of Ishmael... buncha punks, if you ask me. They can take their Dome and get the @#$%! out of Israel. It's coming whether anyone likes it or not. Who belongs there will be settled once and for all. If you really want to see where the world is headed, keep your eyes on Jerusalem. That's where it'll all begin.

Anyone who does not recognize the Jews as rightful heirs to Israel is going to have to answer for it later. Same goes for those who oppose Israel, don't support Israel or even try to hold them back from taking what's theirs and/or opposition for them defending themselves.
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Agreed. The world will be taught a lesson, again, that the Jews are God's chosen people.
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"The facts are clear now, that most of those who call themselves Jews are not real seed of Abraham Jews and have no claim to the land of Palestine because they have no genetic relationship to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. This truth must no longer be suppressed within Christian dispensational theory. The October 29, 1996 N.Y. Times, in an article entitled, "Scholars Debate Origins of Yiddish and the Migrations of Jews". "

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics...h/khazars.html

The Jews (Isreal) have based their chosen-ness by seed.
The Arabs can now move into Isreal, it is their right by seed (Hagar and Ishmael).
Are you fucking kidding me? Because the bloodlines became mixed with gentiles over the years, does that mean Hitler gets a pass? Or the Spanish Inquisition? GTFO with that shit
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I'll make this really simple: Emir Faisal, descendant of Muhammad, agreed to the Balfour Declaration in 1919. There was no "historical" claim to Palestine by any Muslim group anywhere in the world, nor was there any goal of Islam that conflicted with the goals of Judaism. The Muslim nations that attacked Israel in 1949 did so because the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a friend of Adolph Hitler and was in favor of exterminating the Jews. The opportunism, intellectual dishonesty, and misinformation spread since World War II all stems from that relationship.

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I'll make this really simple: Emir Faisal, descendant of Muhammad, agreed to the Balfour Declaration in 1919. There was no "historical" claim to Palestine by any Muslim group anywhere in the world, nor was there any goal of Islam that conflicted with the goals of Judaism. The Muslim nations that attacked Israel in 1949 did so because the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a friend of Adolph Hitler and was in favor of exterminating the Jews. The opportunism, intellectual dishonesty, and misinformation spread since World War II all stems from that relationship.
Did you just open a history book to random pages and pick out what pieces you wanted? The historical problems are far deeper than a WWI agreement
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I'll make this really simple: Emir Faisal, descendant of Muhammad, agreed to the Balfour Declaration in 1919. There was no "historical" claim to Palestine by any Muslim group anywhere in the world, nor was there any goal of Islam that conflicted with the goals of Judaism. The Muslim nations that attacked Israel in 1949 did so because the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a friend of Adolph Hitler and was in favor of exterminating the Jews. The opportunism, intellectual dishonesty, and misinformation spread since World War II all stems from that relationship.
With the diaspora and later break up of the Roman Empire, Muslims moved in around the 7th century and have for the most part been an enduring culture in the area. 1300 years of constant presence is a pretty big historical claim to a land.

Although spread to the corners of the known world, many Jews stayed in Israel and there has been an undying call for a Jewish nation through out the years. Which became a huge deal during the 19th century, after events like the dreyfus affair.

Both groups have historical, cultural, and religious claims to the land. Both were promised the same land by Europe.

However after 1949 I do believe Palestinians lost all claim to their land. They went to war to exterminate Israel, they lost, therefore they forfeit any right to sovereignty they had due to the spoils of war.
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Did you just open a history book to random pages and pick out what pieces you wanted? The historical problems are far deeper than a WWI agreement
That's not out of a history book, it's just my opinion. There are a lot of historical problems that run far deeper, and there were lots of riots after the Balfour Declaration. That said, most claims after the fact are weak, especially one citing a religious text from one side or the other claiming blood descendancy. The ability of both sides to agree in a common future, even after 20th century Europe's intervention is evidence of how much the relationship has disintegrated since.

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