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When people find out your a pastor or a christian how they start judging everything you do...like we are perfect and dont make mistakes...

I believe christians (in america) have a misconception on what it means to be a christian...

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I don't, all men fall short of God and make mistakes.

The difference is, we as Christians are forgiven, and all Christians should strive to be equally generous in forgiving others.
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You could say the same thing about being an atheist. As soon as Christains (or any religion for that matter) find out, they start judging me. They have serious misconceptions about atheism.
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I find it funny when someone finds out you're a Christian, they start to clean up their language around you and apologize when bad words slip out.

Do they not realize that I'm not the one they should worry about offending, but God?
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Agreed, sins are not committed against Christians, rather they are committed against God.
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The difference is, we as Christians are forgiven, and all Christians should strive to be equally generous in forgiving others.
But what if your wrong and God only recognizes Judaism? Catholisim? Buhdism? Daoism? Or (horrors) Islam?
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I find it funny when someone finds out you're a Christian, they start to clean up their language around you and apologize when bad words slip out.
That's pretty commonplace at my work.
There's one old man that says GD a lot and I always tell him, God don't need a damn He walked on water.





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But what if your wrong and God only recognizes Judaism? Catholisim? Buhdism? Daoism? Or (horrors) Islam?
Catholisim (sic) is a Christian denomination. Christians and Jews worship the same God. The roots of Islam stem from the same patriarch, Abraham, who was the forebear of the nation of Israel.

Now, what is there to be "wrong" about?
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You could say the same thing about being an atheist. As soon as Christains (or any religion for that matter) find out, they start judging me. They have serious misconceptions about atheism.


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Catholisim (sic) is a Christian denomination. Christians and Jews worship the same God. The roots of Islam stem from the same patriarch, Abraham, who was the forebear of the nation of Israel.

Now, what is there to be "wrong" about?
Then why do we have dozens of religions, hundreds of denominations, and thousands of sects all seemingly ready to kill each other over who's religion is "right"? Plus you skipped Buhdism and Daosim

Hell, 30 years of killing and terrorism over religion just ended a few years ago. I'm talking about Ireland, where Catholics & Protestants killed & terrorized each other. Those are both Christian denominations...who was "right".

What makes it "right" for us to kill Muslims

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Then why do we have dozens of religions, hundreds of denominations, and thousands of sects all seemingly ready to kill each other over who's religion is "right"? Plus you skipped Buhdism and Daosim


There is only one TRUE religion, and that is the one whoever you are talking to at any particular time believes in. Just ask them.
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That's pretty commonplace at my work.
There's one old man that says GD a lot and I always tell him, God don't need a damn He walked on water.
That's pretty goddamned funny.
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Then why do we have dozens of religions, hundreds of denominations, and thousands of sects all seemingly ready to kill each other over who's religion is "right"? Plus you skipped Buhdism and Daosim

Hell, 30 years of killing and terrorism over religion just ended a few years ago. I'm talking about Ireland, where Catholics & Protestants killed & terrorized each other. Those are both Christian denominations...who was "right".

What makes it "right" for us to kill Muslims
All that happens because men wrongly interject their own pencant for greed and violence into religion to make more palatable, either to themselves or to their people.
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All that happens because men wrongly interject their own pencant for greed and violence into religion to make more palatable, either to themselves or to their people.
You described virtually the entire history of religion.
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There is only one TRUE religion, and that is the one whoever you are talking to at any particular time believes in. Just ask them.
Yeh, I went to church for years with my wife (the one I just divorced), and that church actually called itself "the one true church". Didn't stop her from becoming alcohol/drug dependant, an adulterer and a criminal. Oh...and "the one true church"? they lost 2/3's of thier congregation, are bankrupt, and everyone we knew left. I guess they weren't "right"
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You described virtually the entire history of religion.
Wrong. I described virtually the entire history of mankinds sinfulness since Eves original sin in the Garden of Eden.
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Yeh, I went to church for years with my wife (the one I just divorced), and that church actually called itself "the one true church". Didn't stop her from becoming alcohol/drug dependant, an adulterer and a criminal. Oh...and "the one true church"? they lost 2/3's of thier congregation, are bankrupt, and everyone we knew left. I guess they weren't "right"
A church simply calling itself "the one true church" without deeds does not make it so. After all, Satan will masquerade as the savior of mankind prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ, but his masquerade does not make it the truth.
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Wrong. I described virtually the entire history of mankinds sinfulness since Eves original sin in the Garden of Eden.
But "religion" is a concept born purely in the mind of man. If the earth never had humans, religion would not exist. I didn't say "God" but religion, two different things.

Since religion is a concept of man's only....you did, in fact describe the history of religion.
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But "religion" is a concept born purely in the mind of man. If the earth never had humans, religion would not exist. I didn't say "God" but religion, two different things.

Since religion is a concept of man's only....you did, in fact describe the history of religion.
No, I described mankinds sinfulness. Religion is a gift from God, intended to bring man and his Creator closer together. Although mankind has used religion as a cloak for other devious, sinful purposes in some cases, that in no way sullies the intended purpose of religion. You, like so many today, look for something other than ourselves to blame for the worlds problems, other than the actual cause which is mankinds sinfulness. But that's very common, particularly in America today, to blame someone or something else for our own shortcomings.
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Religion is a gift from God...
I disagree w/ you here. Religion is an idea of man's based on rules/laws and whatnot. God said agree w/ me that you're a sinner, accept my Son's sacrifice for your sins and let me do the rest.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (Amplified Bible)

8For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved ([a]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;

9Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]

10For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), [b]recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].

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New Testament scriptural references supporting religion follow. Note that I do not advocate one Christian denomination over another. Religion was even more so at the center of the Old Testament, in which God provided detailed instructions to His chosen people regarding where and how to worship Him.

Ephesians 3:10-11 (KJV)
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Acts 20:28 (KJV)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Acts 2:47 (KJV)
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 10:16-17 (KJV)
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

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Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

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But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

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So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Mark 16:15-16 (KJV)
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

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Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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What happens when a Freemason limits or impeads another's spiritual path?
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You, like so many today, look for something other than ourselves to blame for the worlds problems, other than the actual cause which is mankinds sinfulness. But that's very common, particularly in America today, to blame someone or something else for our own shortcomings.
You're making big assumptions about someone you never met . I take responsibility for my all my actions, that includes fixing my own problems & shortcomings.

I'ver met many a Christian who prayed to God fix thier bad marriage, find them a job, stop a drug addiction, etc. So are Christians like you, unwilling or unable to deal with life's grief without hoping God will fix your problems?
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Yeh, I went to church for years with my wife (the one I just divorced), and that church actually called itself "the one true church". Didn't stop her from becoming alcohol/drug dependant, an adulterer and a criminal. Oh...and "the one true church"? they lost 2/3's of thier congregation, are bankrupt, and everyone we knew left. I guess they weren't "right"
Wasn't being married to you what drove her to those pursuits?
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You're making big assumptions about someone you never met . I take responsibility for my all my actions, that includes fixing my own problems & shortcomings.

I'ver met many a Christian who prayed to God fix thier bad marriage, find them a job, stop a drug addiction, etc. So are Christians like you, unwilling or unable to deal with life's grief without hoping God will fix your problems?
You're making big assumptions about someone you never met. Who are these so-called "Christians like you".

I have been blessed with not having a bad marriage, not having to find a job, not having to stop a drug addiction, etc. because I put God first in my life and thus am equipped to avoid those pitfalls before they can occur.

Pre-emption trumps reaction every time.
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You're making big assumptions about someone you never met. Who are these so-called "Christians like you".

I have been blessed with not having a bad marriage, not having to find a job, not having to stop a drug addiction, etc. because I put God first in my life and thus am equipped to avoid those pitfalls before they can occur.

Pre-emption trumps reaction every time.
You're awake...and noticed my deliberate stereotypeing of Christians. This was to illustrate that Christians also stereotype "non Christians". Frequently while looking down thier noses in disdain. Sometimes not.
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Wasn't being married to you what drove her to those pursuits?
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You're awake...and noticed my deliberate stereotypeing of Christians. This was to illustrate that Christians also stereotype "non Christians". Frequently while looking down thier noses in disdain. Sometimes not.
Some Christians may, this one doesn't. It comes from careful study of the Bible, try it sometime.
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I have been blessed with not having a bad marriage, not having to find a job, not having to stop a drug addiction, etc. because I put God first in my life and thus am equipped to avoid those pitfalls before they can occur.



I've done all the same things without having god in my life.
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It's much easier with Him.

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Stick it dumbass

Those who know me....know the score.

LMAO! Hit a nerve eh?

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That's a bold statement in which you assume my trials have been any greater than anyone elses in my quest to reach the things that most people commonly strive to have in their lives. It hasn't been a picnic, but I'd hardly say I've walked through any fire greater than anyone who believes in god. In fact, it was mostly remarkably easy with a couple of shallow potholes on the way. I have faith in MYSELF, which is something I see lacking in people praying for someone else to make their problems go away.
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I've done all the same things without having god in my life.
This life is just a dry run, but some of myopic mind consider it to be the pinnacle of all that they can be. You're obviously proud of yourself, but conveniently choose to ignore the fact that you made absolutely no contribution toward being brought into this life in the first place.
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This life is just a dry run, but some of myopic mind consider it to be the pinnacle of all that they can be. You're obviously proud of yourself, but conveniently choose to ignore the fact that you made absolutely no contribution toward being brought into this life in the first place.


Overblown repsonse that goes on forever without saying anything about what I said. Quaint.
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When people find out your a pastor or a christian how they start judging everything you do...like we are perfect and dont make mistakes...

I believe christians (in america) have a misconception on what it means to be a christian...

How do you feel?
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Overblown repsonse that goes on forever without saying anything about what I said. Quaint.
We can't help it if you're dense.
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We can't help it if you're dense.


I've gotten the same things in life without "gods" help that you have. Who is dense? It's amazing that everything you respond to is laden with attempts at insults, and when anyone tries to bring any substance to this forum you assume the role of creator and judge.
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Substance? What substance do you bring to this thread, other than glorifying yourself. Here's a hint, you are not anything special, or even notable.

Who is dense you ask.....you are.
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Some Christians may, this one doesn't. It comes from careful study of the Bible, try it sometime.
I admit, you must have a great life, your near perfect, always right, understand the bible better than Billy Graham and have a better relationship with God than the Pope does.

I'll bet that when a tornado blows through your neigborhood, you look up at the sky and say "God, Mr Majestyk here"....and the tornado bounces right over your house.

And since the average board member makes $250K/year, has a Viper, Hummer, a 9 second dragcar and a 10" johnson....you must be even better off than that

You define the narrow minded, self rightious, holier-than-thou religous zealot.

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That's a bold statement in which you assume my trials have been any greater than anyone elses in my quest to reach the things that most people commonly strive to have in their lives. It hasn't been a picnic, but I'd hardly say I've walked through any fire greater than anyone who believes in god. In fact, it was mostly remarkably easy with a couple of shallow potholes on the way. I have faith in MYSELF, which is something I see lacking in people praying for someone else to make their problems go away.
I don't really think the magnitude of your trials has anything to do with it. I'm just saying any time I've hit a rough patch in my life, after praying it always seems to get a little easier. I'm very confident in myself, but I also know when the water seems to be coming over my head and I'm not afraid to ask for help and then magically a life raft appears.

I'm not one to push my beliefs on other people, you believe what you believe. I just hate to see someone dismiss something (God/prayer) that has been so helpful in my life.

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Substance? What substance do you bring to this thread, other than glorifying yourself. Here's a hint, you are not anything special, or even notable.

Who is dense you ask.....you are.


I said that I had the same things you had. If that is glorifying myself(I'm pretty sure there are billions of people who don't have a drug problem, are married, and have a job?!)then that would make you the one tap dancing in the spotlight first. Right?
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Wrong. Credit for all that I am goes to God. Without Him first giving me life, the talents I have, none of the rest would be possible.
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All that happens because men wrongly interject their own pencant for greed and violence into religion to make more palatable, either to themselves or to their people.
What? I think you left out an "h" somewhere in there.

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post #49 of 101 (permalink) Old 12-02-2008, 09:30 AM
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I find it funny that people still argue over religion
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post #50 of 101 (permalink) Old 12-02-2008, 09:33 AM
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The Iraqi people must seem funny to you then, as well as the Jewish people.
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