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Where in the Bible does it explain where this act is a sin? My better half seems to think it's ok to be a fag. I've found Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." Where else in the Bible does it state? She's a f'n die hard liberal.
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Where in the Bible does it explain where this act is a sin? My better half seems to think it's ok to be a fag. I've found Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." Where else in the Bible does it state? She's a f'n die hard liberal.
These two were off the top of my head at the time. There are others that speak of sexual immorality and the like.....

1 Corinthians 6:8-10 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers! Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 ...understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
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I'm pretty sure judging others is a sin
Who is judging who? He asked what the Bible said about it.

Another verse, from Romans 1

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
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I'm pretty sure judging others is a sin
I'm pretty sure sinning is a sin
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Where in the Bible does it explain where this act is a sin? My better half seems to think it's ok to be a fag. I've found Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." Where else in the Bible does it state? She's a f'n die hard liberal.
Can not the word sin in the OT mean, rather than a sin against the Almight Judge, a way of living (path) that may not be good for inividual and societal health and well being?
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Bible is bullshit, how can a book tell people how to live there lives?

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Bible is bullshit, how can a book tell people how to live there lives?
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Bible is bullshit, how can a book tell people how to live there lives?
it's something you have in your heart, not something you read in a book.
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Bible is bullshit, how can a book tell people how to live there lives?
Spoken by a man who obviously is much more learned in the Bible than any of us are, will be, or could ever hope to be LOL.
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Your better half is a lesbian and you're complaining?
No, she's just thinks being gay is ok. I just believe it's not.
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Spoken by a man who obviously is much more learned in the Bible than any of us are, will be, or could ever hope to be LOL.
I've read the bible atleast twice, was raised catholic, went to church twice a week for 15 years. It's out dated, and is completely irrelevant to society today. It has good values and teachings in it, but can't be applied to society today.

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I've read the bible atleast twice, was raised catholic, went to church twice a week for 15 years. It's out dated, and is completely irrelevant to society today. It has good values and teachings in it, but can't be applied to society today.
it's out dated?

kinda sounds like when people say the constitution is outdated. The reason it was written in text form was because it was not meant to be changed. If it was meant to be changed to whatever made you feel better then it would have been word of mouth. The suggestion is asinine... do you really think homosexuality was invented in 1990 or something?
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I've read the bible atleast twice, was raised catholic, went to church twice a week for 15 years. It's out dated, and is completely irrelevant to society today. It has good values and teachings in it, but can't be applied to society today.
There's a major difference between the Bible and what the Catholics call their bible. The Bible and Christianity are EXTREMELY relevant to todays society. Don't believe me, listen for yourself. BTW, this is specifically on the thread's topic.





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it's out dated?

kinda sounds like when people say the constitution is outdated. The reason it was written in text form was because it was not meant to be changed. If it was meant to be changed to whatever made you feel better then it would have been word of mouth. The suggestion is asinine... do you really think homosexuality was invented in 1990 or something?
Yes out dated. If the daughter of a priest has sex she should be burned to death, that children should be beaten to be corrected (proverbs 23) among a list of other things come on. The bible has no reference to technology, abortion, space.

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Proverbs 23 speaks of not witholding discipline from a child.....something foreign to our liberal society of today.

Space? I need look no further than Genesis.

This is just from my own memory
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Yes out dated. If the daughter of a priest has sex she should be burned to death, that children should be beaten to be corrected (proverbs 23) among a list of other things come on. The bible has no reference to technology, abortion, space.

For someone who has "read the bible twice", you sure didn't retain much of it... things that are in the news today are extremely relevant to the bible. And quoting one verse out of the OT (That's the old testament) is no kind of proof. The old laws were not the same as what we have today. Again, something you should know. Maybe being Catholic you didn't get into that too much.

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Yes out dated. If the daughter of a priest has sex she should be burned to death, that children should be beaten to be corrected (proverbs 23) among a list of other things come on. The bible has no reference to technology, abortion, space.
lol that's ridiculous.
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does it say anything in the new testament?

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does it say anything in the new testament?
See posts #2 and #5, all 3 of those verses are in the New Testament

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So, is homosexuality a sin? If so, what kind of sin, what are the punishments, if any? If someone is a homosexual, should they change? If so, why?
Are there any statements in the NT about homsexuality and how does this compare to OT statements?
If homosexuality is not a sin, why do you think G#d made them?
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God does not "make" anyone a homosexual, rather it's a choice the individual who is one has made for themselves.
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God does not "make" anyone a homosexual, rather it's a choice the individual who is one has made for themselves.
You honestly think a sexual preference is a choice??

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God does not "make" anyone a homosexual, rather it's a choice the individual who is one has made for themselves.
how can you say homosexuality is a choice? For some I would imagine it can be, but some people are just flat out gay. I know a girl who used to babysit a little boy. Kid was about 5 years old, I can tell you right now that child is gay. He doesn't even know what that word means, it's just the way he is though. So why would "god" create a gay person if it's a sin?

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You honestly think a sexual preference is a choice??
It is a choice that one who is homo makes for themselves, to follow their own fetish and desire for deviant behavior.
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how can you say homosexuality is a choice? For some I would imagine it can be, but some people are just flat out gay. I know a girl who used to babysit a little boy. Kid was about 5 years old, I can tell you right now that child is gay. He doesn't even know what that word means, it's just the way he is though. So why would "god" create a gay person if it's a sin?
Said child is gay, if indeed that is true and not simply your take on the situation, because of his environment, i.e. external influences surrounding him.
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Said child is gay, if indeed that is true and not simply your take on the situation, because of his environment, i.e. external influences surrounding him.
Obviously the childs mother is overbearing and the father is "absent", he must be Jewish.
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Obviously the childs mother is overbearing and the father is "absent", he must be Jewish.
Is that the reason you're gay?
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Said child is gay, if indeed that is true and not simply your take on the situation, because of his environment, i.e. external influences surrounding him.
His dad is an absolute sports freak, he is a fire fighter, goes shooting regularly, and the mom and is just average mom. His father always plays sports and stuff with him, the kid is just gay. It's who he is. Has nothing to do with the environment, he has an older brother who's straight as an arrow.

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No one is "born" gay. He is too young to be gay. I think rather you may be incorrectly seeing him as gay, which indicates you have the problem. Regardless, is it any of your business?
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No one is "born" gay. He is too young to be gay. I think rather you may be incorrectly seeing him as gay, which indicates you have the problem. Regardless, is it any of your business?
Yeah I'm the one with the problem . There is no age for someone to be gay. If you're gay, you're gay, that's just the way it is. And I never said it was my business, I just brought up a senario where an individual didn't choose do be gay, because you seem to think it's a choice.

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It is a choice, simply agree to disagree. "That's just the way it is" is nothing more than opinion.
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It is a choice that one who is homo makes for themselves, to follow their own fetish and desire for deviant behavior.
While I'll agree it's a person's choice to follow a homosexual lifestyle, the desire or preference is not a choice.

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To me, that is the same as saying the desire or preference to, for instance, smoke is not a choice.
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Is that the reason you're gay?
Hell ya, I'm a gay, Jewish, homosexual Christian.
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I asked a gay person if he decided to be light in the loafers. He (she) said that he was gay from his very first memories.
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To me, that is the same as saying the desire or preference to, for instance, smoke is not a choice.
Were you say you were born straight or do you choose to be straight?

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Were you say you were born straight or do you choose to be straight?
Being a gay, homosexual, I would say I was born this way.
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Were you say you were born straight or do you choose to be straight?
Born straight, in sync with the way we were created. For the record, whether someone chooses to be gay is their choice in my opinion, and I do not judge them for that choice.
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Born straight, in sync with the way we were created. For the record, whether someone chooses to be gay is their choice in my opinion, and I do not judge them for that choice.
But you do think that b/c they are gay... even if they lead a good life and accept Jesus into their heart... that they will go to hell, right?

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To me, that is the same as saying the desire or preference to, for instance, smoke is not a choice.
Very different. Smoking is a choice that leads to addiction. No one choses to try out gay, then becomes addickted to it. Some will experiment with it, but will eventually fall back on what they were born favoring.

Just as you're born favoring the opposite sex, some are born favoring the same sex.

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Just as you're born favoring the opposite sex, some are born favoring the same sex.
Why do you think that is?
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But you do think that b/c they are gay... even if they lead a good life and accept Jesus into their heart... that they will go to hell, right?
On acceptence, all sins forgiven?
Only sin not forgiven is the rejection of the Holy Spirit? If so, Catch 22?
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But you do think that b/c they are gay... even if they lead a good life and accept Jesus into their heart... that they will go to hell, right?
Wrong. I never presume to say anybody is going to hell. We all sin, and practicing homosexuality is a sin. Jesus paid the price for all of our sins, and where someone spends eternity is not for me to judge.
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Very different. Smoking is a choice that leads to addiction. No one choses to try out gay, then becomes addickted to it. Some will experiment with it, but will eventually fall back on what they were born favoring.

Just as you're born favoring the opposite sex, some are born favoring the same sex.
Some will experiment with it, and find it to their liking. That is choice.
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Some will experiment with it, and find it to their liking. That is choice.
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