Originally Posted by Denny
It's our decision whether or not to go to hell. We make that decision when we either accept or reject Him. He gave us free will and made the deal. All we have to do is follow it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not an insecurity issue. It's just the one rule He gave upon entering Heaven. Besides, why would He have anyone there who rejects Him?
I'll ask you since I know you're an athiest. Do you want to go to Heaven? I know you don't think there is one, but wouldn't you like to be there in an afterlife?
"He" hasn't given me any reason to believe in him. Just because? I mean, how can anyone take that seriously? I think I'm a halfway decent person, no Mother Teresa and sure I'm an asshole, but I try to do the right things in life. I don't cheat on ym wife or taxes, I donate money to worthwhile causes, and try to be a good boss to work for. Why invent some half assed bullshit reason as a way to get into heaven? Wouldn't living a good life be enough?
Honestly, I'm not sure that I would like the traditional heaven much if I was to believe in it. Between the 2 choices, hell seems like it would more likely exsist to me than heaven. But I realize that isn't your question. I'm just free thinking with this whole thread, and I've never got much into my actual beliefs on here before, aside from being an athiest, so why the hell not since I am now. Tranquillity would be nice, like a a double dose of hydrocodone, but what would you be taking away from it all? In heaven, I mean, what would be the point?
Hanging out with your family, talking all about enlightenment? What else would you talk about, you'd already know everything. Most people think you become all knowing once you're in heaven, so you wouldn't be debating anything with anyone, or having even the slightest disagreements. I can't see the human animal 100% absolutely not finding something to disagree with another about, regardless of enlightenment. If there isn't anything to disagree about, what is there to talk about, or exsist about? I know our time on the earth is unimportant, but life after death seems like an overkill of unimportance. Hell actually seems like a more interesting place, though unless you were in a leadership position down there I doubt it would be fuzzy kitten type entertainment, again, traditionally speaking.
Originally Posted by flashstang04
You are missing my point about inheriting sin nature. It is passed on no matter who you are.
^^^ and listening to crap like that is why I don't usually talk about my belief systems on here, or at all for the last ten years.
Originally Posted by redheadintx
I'm subscribing because I find this thread very interesting. I do not believe in "God" per se and I dislike organized religion... but I do not argue the fact that there may be something bigger and better out there other than "us"... I'm just not convinced it's "God" - whatever your definition of that may be.
There very well might be, but I don't think it has any particular interest in us, even if it created us; other than watching us bounce off each other like a gigantic planet sized pinball machine.
Originally Posted by Phillystang
I disagree. Kids do those things on their own without having to learn it.
Are kids born homosexuals or do they learn it? Gotcha!
I can already feel this thread sliding downward. Ah well, it was interesting while it lasted. I'm not sure why I've been thinking about this more than normal lately.