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Christians who use porn

Brothers, let us put aside the lustful desires of the flesh, by God's grace, amen.

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I think it was Tony Evans that kind of touched on this yesterday.
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so wait... if you lock yourself in a room watching porn, you're evil, but if there's no porn when you're locked in a room beating your meat, you're not evil?
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so wait... if you lock yourself in a room watching porn, you're evil, but if there's no porn when you're locked in a room beating your meat, you're not evil?
I'm not sure where the video stated your second proposition, time interval?
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Fuck you, Todd Friel. It's nice and all that about 2 minutes in he finally takes a break to thank the soldiers after repeatedly laughing at them. How many times has he been deployed I wonder?
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I'm not sure where the video stated your second proposition, time interval?
it didn't, but it didn't say that masturbation without porn was evil... I'm just trying to clarify if you people are implying that masturbation is evil.

don't know about you guys, but my god doesn't want me to get prostate cancer!
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I've read a good bit of the Bible and don't recall seeing any specific admonition against whacking off, so carry on as usual Cooter. Consider keeping the details to yourself though, please
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I've read a good bit of the Bible and don't recall seeing any specific admonition against whacking off, so carry on as usual Cooter. Consider keeping the details to yourself though, please
Just curious on your thoughts to Leviticus 15:1-33

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im thinking any thing that is un-natural and involves lust is evil.


Not that I havent lusted... and Im def not with out my own evils but then again there is no such thing as a perfect christian so lets not bring me into it.

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Just curious on your thoughts to Leviticus 15:1-33
Given that Leviticus 15:1-33 is referencing the Laws of Moses and purification rites, I don't see it applying in a strict sense to Christians....not like the First Commandment would for instance.
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It's in the bible, it's for christians.

If not to christians, then to whom does it apply?

Muslims?


Wrong again, majestyk, nice try though.

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It's in the bible, it's for christians.

If not to christians, then to whom does it apply?

Muslims?


Wrong again, majestyk, nice try though.
Whom does it apply? The passage begins with whom it applies to
"1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them..."
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Given that Leviticus 15:1-33 is referencing the Laws of Moses and purification rites, I don't see it applying in a strict sense to Christians....not like the First Commandment would for instance.
So then, let's just throw out the entire OT then, right?

Even the covenant theology camp won't take it that far Majestyk.
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If we weren't supposed to masturbate then all humans would have baby arms.

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other primates do it to... god should hurry up and tell them that it's not natural!!
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other primates do it to... God should hurry up and tell them that it's not natural!!
God made it so that humans >>>primates. they are inferior
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fuck yeah they are, that's why I dress mine up in tuxedos, teach them to smoke cigarettes, and test drugs and makeup on them!!!
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It's in the bible, it's for christians.

If not to christians, then to whom does it apply?

Muslims?


Wrong again, majestyk, nice try though.
Stupid 'Pecker, you're ignorance of the Bible, what a Christian is, and what the Old and New Testaments are about remains, like your e-life, the stuff of childrens comedy hour. Of course, being the abomination of a fag that you are, that is to be expected. Please do come back any time though with your superficial "understanding" and completely ignorant statements. How's the taco biz by the way?
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So then, let's just throw out the entire OT then, right?

Even the covenant theology camp won't take it that far Majestyk.
Why "throw out" the Old Testament LOL. It speaks volumes about Faith. Also, where do you think the lineage of Jesus Christ traces to? Ever hear of a king named David?

The Old Testament is one of my favorite readings. Creation, Abram (Abraham), Sarah, Isaac, Ishmael (Zurethra - aka resident buffoon, research Ishmael and tell us all about who the Bible is for), the deliverance of the chosen people, Moses, all of the prophets foretelling the coming of the Messiah. Can I attain Righteousness merely by adherance to Old Testament Mosaic Law? No, given that I am a Gentile and not of the people chosen for the First Covenant. My salvation is instead based on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Life is indeed good, and thanks be to God for all of His Word.
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Whom does it apply? The passage begins with whom it applies to
"1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them..."
Did you really expect Zurethra to read, much less comprehend, before opening him wittle piehole?
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nice baby arm referrence

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If you have recieved Christ as your Lord and Savior you are freed from sin and made perfect through him. Your sins are washed away from yesterday, today and forever. God doesn't base us on performance. God knew we couldn't be perfect, that is why he sent us a Savior. I think too many people think they have to perform in a holy manor to be right in Gods eyes. I use to think like that and would see that everytime I tried to be perfect, I failed. Thankfully, I figured out that I am already made perfect through Jesus. It opened my eyes. Instead of trying to be good on my own, and failing. I found that if you just seek God you will sin less on accident. So there is really no trying to be good about it, it just happens.
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If you have recieved Christ as your Lord and Savior you are freed from sin and made perfect through him. Your sins are washed away from yesterday, today and forever. God doesn't base us on performance. God knew we couldn't be perfect, that is why he sent us a Savior. I think too many people think they have to perform in a holy manor to be right in Gods eyes. I use to think like that and would see that everytime I tried to be perfect, I failed. Thankfully, I figured out that I am already made perfect through Jesus. It opened my eyes. Instead of trying to be good on my own, and failing. I found that if you just seek God you will sin less on accident. So there is really no trying to be good about it, it just happens.
I'm not sure where anyone has said that the basis of our standing with God is based on performance. It's not, it is based on God's grace and mercy. However, our actions do reflect our standing with God. Our attitude towards sin reflects our condition before God. If we continually do the things that God hates, and we don't have a problem with it, then we should seriously consider the state of our souls. Are you a new creation? Are you different from the worldly heathen?

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You guys are so funny with your bible talk. MY god wants me to whack off, hence why I can reach my pecker and why it feels so good. MY god doesnt want me sticking my pecker in light sockets, hence why it dont fit and it would hurt. You guys read into that bible thing too much
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You guys are so funny with your bible talk. MY god wants me to whack off, hence why I can reach my pecker and why it feels so good. MY god doesnt want me sticking my pecker in light sockets, hence why it dont fit and it would hurt. You guys read into that bible thing too much
Your god should pretty cool. What's its name?

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God, whats yours name?
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Your god should pretty cool. What's its name?
He has created a god in his own image, one that has no problem with anything he desires to do, convenient eh?
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If his god is an image of himself, does that mean his god likely resembles Bozo in appearance?
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He has created a god in his own image, one that has no problem with anything he desires to do, convenient eh?
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If his god is an image of himself, does that mean his god likely resembles Bozo in appearance?
So your telling me, God in all his supposed wisdom made it to where I can reach my crank and make it feel good to masterbate BUT intended us not to do it huh?

I never once created a God in my own image, nor did I imply that. What I am implying is that if there is a being with so much knowledge and power than he could create everything then he would think everything through. If he didnt then that would make him imperfect and that goes against your beliefs. So either be hypocritical and say he fucked up or spin it around and make excuses like "its a temptation he created on purpose to test you". Either way, I can and I do whack off so Im going on the basis that he/she/it intended me to.

You sheeple make me laugh....
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Just curious on your thoughts to Leviticus 15:1-33
Coitus Interruptus?
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So your telling me, God in all his supposed wisdom made it to where I can reach my crank and make it feel good to masterbate BUT intended us not to do it huh?

I never once created a God in my own image, nor did I imply that. What I am implying is that if there is a being with so much knowledge and power than he could create everything then he would think everything through. If he didnt then that would make him imperfect and that goes against your beliefs. So either be hypocritical and say he fucked up or spin it around and make excuses like "its a temptation he created on purpose to test you". Either way, I can and I do whack off so Im going on the basis that he/she/it intended me to.

You sheeple make me laugh....
Find in any of my posts in this thread where I stated a belief that He intended us not to do it, genius. You inability to comprehend even simple posts makes me laugh.
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So your telling me, God in all his supposed wisdom made it to where I can reach my crank and make it feel good to masterbate BUT intended us not to do it huh?

I never once created a God in my own image, nor did I imply that. What I am implying is that if there is a being with so much knowledge and power than he could create everything then he would think everything through. If he didnt then that would make him imperfect and that goes against your beliefs. So either be hypocritical and say he fucked up or spin it around and make excuses like "its a temptation he created on purpose to test you". Either way, I can and I do whack off so Im going on the basis that he/she/it intended me to.

You sheeple make me laugh....
Because God is a woman. The whole thing is an evil joke to her.
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So your telling me, God in all his supposed wisdom made it to where I can reach my crank and make it feel good to masterbate BUT intended us not to do it huh?
You have erroneously equated porn with masturbation, the latter of which was never brought up in the original post. Lust of the heart (adultery according to Christ) and envy is the problem.

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I never once created a God in my own image, nor did I imply that. What I am implying is that if there is a being with so much knowledge and power than he could create everything then he would think everything through. If he didnt then that would make him imperfect and that goes against your beliefs. So either be hypocritical and say he fucked up or spin it around and make excuses like "its a temptation he created on purpose to test you". Either way, I can and I do whack off so Im going on the basis that he/she/it intended me to.

You sheeple make me laugh....
Once again you prove that you have created a god that suits your lifestyle. The god you have made for yourself conveniently approves of all the things you do, doesn't he? As long as you can rationalize it away it is okay.
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If you have recieved Christ as your Lord and Savior you are freed from sin and made perfect through him. Your sins are washed away from yesterday, today and forever. God doesn't base us on performance. God knew we couldn't be perfect, that is why he sent us a Savior. I think too many people think they have to perform in a holy manor to be right in Gods eyes. I use to think like that and would see that everytime I tried to be perfect, I failed. Thankfully, I figured out that I am already made perfect through Jesus. It opened my eyes. Instead of trying to be good on my own, and failing. I found that if you just seek God you will sin less on accident. So there is really no trying to be good about it, it just happens.


Cool, I've just accepted god as my savior. I'm now going to kill all of you.
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So your telling me, God in all his supposed wisdom made it to where I can reach my crank and make it feel good to masterbate BUT intended us not to do it huh?
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You have erroneously equated porn with masturbation, the latter of which was never brought up in the original post. Lust of the heart (adultery according to Christ) and envy is the problem.
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Find in any of my posts in this thread where I stated a belief that He intended us not to do it, genius. You inability to comprehend even simple posts makes me laugh.
I think it's correct that Lason concluded masturbation is included in videos' condemnation of those who watch porn.

Phillystang and Mr. Majecstyk, can either of you biblically support that is it ok to masterbate? I doubt that you can.

So, what does the posted video posted say to this?

God created us with sexual drive, but he also gave us a steering wheel and a brake to direct and control our drives. If you canít control yours, it is not a statement of the strength of your drive, but of the weakness of your soul. You are wasting away to the level of an alley cat. Adam fell, but you are falling even further. You are plunging your soul into eternal destruction, moving as far away from God as you can get. You are lost and helpless by choice. You do not deserve sympathy or understanding; you deserve condemnation and scorn. You are not a victim; you are a perpetrator. You sneak around like a thief as you lie and deceive. Your whole life is dedicated to the dragon. Your body is being consumed as your soul is being digested. You are having communion with the devil Ė bowing in worship of the flesh. You are a disciple of evil.

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What I am implying is that if there is a being with so much knowledge and power than he could create everything then he would think everything through. If he didnt then that would make him imperfect and that goes against your beliefs. So either be hypocritical and say he fucked up or spin it around and make excuses like "its a temptation he created on purpose to test you". Either way, I can and I do whack off so Im going on the basis that he/she/it intended me to.

You sheeple make me laugh....
Dude, I don't think the whole Christian thing is for you.
Your of the Devil!
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I think it's correct that Lason concluded masturbation is included in videos' condemnation of those who watch porn.

Phillystang and Mr. Majecstyk, can either of you biblically support that is it ok to masterbate? I doubt that you can.
I for one never said anything about the Bible stating that it's OK to masturbate. I said there is no specific prohibition against doing so in the Bible applicable to Christians, who are after all the subject of this thread the last time I looked.
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I think it's correct that Lason concluded masturbation is included in videos' condemnation of those who watch porn.
I think it is "read" into the video as there is no mention of it specifically.

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Phillystang and Mr. Majecstyk, can either of you biblically support that is it ok to masterbate? I doubt that you can.
I never said that it was or wasn't, just that the original post was about porn and not masturbation.
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I for one never said anything about the Bible stating that it's OK to masturbate. I said there is no specific prohibition against doing so in the Bible applicable to Christians, who are after all the subject of this thread the last time I looked.
No you didn't. I got a little lost in the conversations. I'm surprised that you can't put together some scripture that would speak against masterbation. It seems to me like it should fall into the same category as lust, adultery, and fornication.

So, my question is, does the video imply or directly say that masturbation just as wicked as watching porn? I think he starts with porn, but ends with masturbation in general. Then again, a perv like me can't separate porn from masturbation. My imagination is not that good.

Where the Catholics at, they don't seem to get shy around sexual do's and don'ts?

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it didn't, but it didn't say that masturbation without porn was evil... I'm just trying to clarify if you people are implying that masturbation is evil.
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No you didn't. I got a little lost in the conversations. I'm surprised that you can't put together some scripture that would speak against masterbation. It seems to me like it should fall into the same category as lust, adultery, and fornication.
Yes, I did. Re-read my posts #7 and #10. I am saying that the Bible does not specifically admonish Christians against doing the deed. Everything in the Bible was not written about Christians, rather there is the entire Old Testament that preceeds Christianity. It is there that the admonition in Leviticus is written, and it is referencing Mosaic Law. Mosiac Law is not strictly applicable to me or to any other Christian as a means of attaining righteousness.
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Yes, I did. Re-read my posts #7 and #10.
"I for one never said anything about the Bible stating that it's OK to masturbate."

= No you didn't. I got a little lost in the conversations.
(I was agreeing with your correction to my previous post.)

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The thread title addresses "Christians" does it not? There is nothing in the Bible admonishing Christians not to masturbate. My saying there is no admonition against it in the Bible in reference to Christians is not by any means me saying the Bible says it's OK to do it.
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The thread title addresses "Christians" does it not? There is nothing in the Bible admonishing Christians not to masturbate. My saying there is no admonition against it in the Bible in reference to Christians is not by any means me saying the Bible says it's OK to do it.
Maybe, but the video admonishes the "using" of porn and the act of masturbation. It does both is pretty harsh tones. Unlike you, it has concluded what fruit these trees bear, and clearly calling it sin.

I think the porn part is obvious; however, there seems to be debate on the act of masturbation. I can't wait for someone to outline the correct method of masturbation.

Do you think, if a Christian masturbates, God considers it a sin?

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