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Adam vs Dinosaurs

After reading the thread about the carbon dating about the dinosaurs I started thinking... which do you believe, science claiming the dinosaurs were the first things on the earth or the Bible which says Adam was the first to walk the earth? Discuss.

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land." Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said,"Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the Promised Land." Now Obama has stolen your shovel..., taxed your asses, raised the price of camels and mortgaged the Promised Land!
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I believe that the dino's were a failed race so whoever made them made us as well. Blew them up and threw our failed race here and now points and laughs. So i guess Dino's -> Adam
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After reading the thread about the carbon dating about the dinosaurs I started thinking... which do you believe, science claiming the dinosaurs were the first things on the earth or the Bible which says Adam was the first to walk the earth? Discuss.

It depends on if you are a subscriber to the gap theory or not between Gen 1 and 2. It is plausible that dinosaurs were here before AND during man being here. God put the fear of man in all wild animals, so it is not too hard to imagine to me.

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After reading the thread about the carbon dating about the dinosaurs I started thinking... which do you believe, science claiming the dinosaurs were the first things on the earth or the Bible which says Adam was the first to walk the earth? Discuss.
Please support your claim that Adam was the first to walk the earth.

I was under the impression that animals were created on both the 5th and 6th days. While man was created on the 6th day. (Genesis 1:25-27). Then again, isn't there something else that says Adam was put in the garden, then all the animals were created to keep him company (Genesis 2:18-19).

It's hard to answer your initial question when the bible seems to provide two different creation sequences. That kind of suggests to me that those initial creation stories don't have to be taken so literally.

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It depends on if you are a subscriber to the gap theory or not between Gen 1 and 2. It is plausible that dinosaurs were here before AND during man being here. God put the fear of man in all wild animals, so it is not too hard to imagine to me.
Really? Because I thought it was all the killing the animals that made them fear us.

Plus, get in a cage full of lions and see which one of you is scared.
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Really? Because I thought it was all the killing the animals that made them fear us.

Plus, get in a cage full of lions and see which one of you is scared.

In a cage full of lions the lions would be more scared..hence..they would tear me apart. Animals do not usually attack out of anything except hunger or desperation. They will usually run if they can. Thanks for making my point.

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Really? Because I thought it was all the killing the animals that made them fear us.

Plus, get in a cage full of lions and see which one of you is scared.
Flash does have a point...
Generally speaking, lions - and other big cats - do not see humans as prey, and will try to avoid them, whether or not they are hungry. For example, if you are on safari and are watching lions from a vehicle, they will ignore you completely. Get out of the vehicle, and they will nearly always get up and move away at once. Big cats usually only become man-eaters if they are injured in some way and are unable to catch their natural prey, and even then they must first learn that humans are easy to kill. They would of course attack to protect themselves or their young if they felt threatened, but they would give you fair warning to back off first - if a snarl and a few mock-charges didn't do the trick, only then would they actually attack you in earnest.

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A cage is also not a natural environment by any means, rather it's a creation of man.
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You guys aren't serious, are you?

You're actually predicting what is going on inside the animals heads.

So you really think predatory animals attack out of FEAR of their PREY!?

There is no way to see what they are thinking. This lion logic is laughable, seriously.

Not every wild animal is afraid of humans, your god did not make all wild animals fear humans.

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Yea, just like your 'god'.

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Flash does have a point...
Generally speaking, lions - and other big cats - do not see humans as prey, and will try to avoid them, whether or not they are hungry. For example, if you are on safari and are watching lions from a vehicle, they will ignore you completely. Get out of the vehicle, and they will nearly always get up and move away at once. Big cats usually only become man-eaters if they are injured in some way and are unable to catch their natural prey, and even then they must first learn that humans are easy to kill. They would of course attack to protect themselves or their young if they felt threatened, but they would give you fair warning to back off first - if a snarl and a few mock-charges didn't do the trick, only then would they actually attack you in earnest.
How many safaris you been on?

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In a cage full of lions the lions would be more scared..hence..they would tear me apart. Animals do not usually attack out of anything except hunger or desperation. They will usually run if they can. Thanks for making my point.
Wrong again, sir. That's like using someone else's weight against them in a physical altercation. Your conclusion most definitely does not follow logically. Whereas logic tells you a cage full of hungry predatory animals would kill anything outside of their kind, and sometimes even kill their own, your conclusion turns his argument around and in the process becomes abominably fallacious. Congratulations.

You really think a cage full of lions would be scared of one human?

Sounds like someone paid way too much attention in sunday school.

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Really? Because I thought it was all the killing the animals that made them fear us.

Plus, get in a cage full of lions and see which one of you is scared.
You are not abnormal or wrong here, these fellows are merely trying to exercise and fine tune their pseudo-logic and therefore become more apt and able to propagate their LIES in their daily lives. UNreason is the word. Get used to it.

Your line of reasoning is correct here, the monumentally devolved act of unreasoning only shows that this very act of unreasoning spills over into their other and often more important decision-making processes. It's funny, really.

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You are not abnormal or wrong here, these fellows are merely trying to exercise and fine tune their pseudo-logic and therefore become more apt and able to propagate their LIES in their daily lives. UNreason is the word. Get used to it.

Your line of reasoning is correct here, the monumentally devolved act of unreasoning only shows that this very act of unreasoning spills over into their other and often more important decision-making processes. It's funny, really.
I know I'm not wrong. It's just funny making a comment and seeing how these guys think.
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How many safaris you been on?
2 actually, as well as spending hours upon hours with a friend that works out here www.priderock.org. The first thing the cats consistantly do is run to the other side of their cage when you first come in. It was only after my 15th or 16th trip out there that some of the cats had spent enough time around me to know that I was no threat to them.

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No harm done by your removal, self-imposed or otherwise, from the political threads Zurethra. Cheer up though, you can be just a ignorant in here as you were there, no one can ask for anything more than that.
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No harm done by your removal, self-imposed or otherwise, from the political threads Zurethra. Cheer up though, you can be just a ignorant in here as you were there, no one can ask for anything more than that.

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Wrong again, sir. That's like using someone else's weight against them in a physical altercation. Your conclusion most definitely does not follow logically. Whereas logic tells you a cage full of hungry predatory animals would kill anything outside of their kind, and sometimes even kill their own, your conclusion turns his argument around and in the process becomes abominably fallacious. Congratulations.

You really think a cage full of lions would be scared of one human?

Sounds like someone paid way too much attention in sunday school.

Sorry, Z...your liberal philosophy won't apply here. You telling me that I have no idea what is going on inside the minds of animals is the same thing as you telling me that you do..or don't you see that. A cage full of lions WOULD be scared of a human and to think anything other than that is ascribing human characteristics to an animal that is governed by instinct. Lions are not vicious by nature in and of themselves. They attack out of fear, or hunger. You seem to be out of your league here. Your incessant need to be right makes you sound ridiculous sometimes.

pssst....the lions used in the coliseum were not fed for days....

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Sorry, Z...your liberal philosophy won't apply here. You telling me that I have no idea what is going on inside the minds of animals is the same thing as you telling me that you do..or don't you see that. A cage full of lions WOULD be scared of a human and to think anything other than that is ascribing human characteristics to an animal that is governed by instinct. Lions are not vicious by nature in and of themselves. They attack out of fear, or hunger. You seem to be out of your league here. Your incessant need to be right makes you sound ridiculous sometimes.

pssst....the lions used in the coliseum were not fed for days....
Yeah, and they never attack because they're territorial, or to become the alpha-male of the pride.
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Yeah, and they never attack because they're territorial, or to become the alpha-male of the pride.

Oh, I guess you missed the part about them being governed by instinct.. ..

Hang on........




yep..

It's still there.

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Isn't it strange how the ancients drew pictures of dragons/dinosaur like creatures only for more modern archaeologists to dig up dinosaur bones thousands of years later?

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Isn't it strange how the ancients drew pictures of dragons/dinosaur like creatures only for more modern archaeologists to dig up dinosaur bones thousands of years later?

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
Uh, no, it's not...?
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Sorry, Z...your liberal philosophy won't apply here. You telling me that I have no idea what is going on inside the minds of animals is the same thing as you telling me that you do..or don't you see that. A cage full of lions WOULD be scared of a human and to think anything other than that is ascribing human characteristics to an animal that is governed by instinct. Lions are not vicious by nature in and of themselves. They attack out of fear, or hunger. You seem to be out of your league here. Your incessant need to be right makes you sound ridiculous sometimes.

pssst....the lions used in the coliseum were not fed for days....
You can't be serious.

I'm not making outrageous claims about the fear inside the heads of lions, sir.

I'm telling you you don't know, and that I don't know either, but I'm certainly not claiming to.

Your logic is hilarious.

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I will give the answer that a very wise man gave me when I asked about the bible, god and science. He simplified everything with one simple statement: "Ďf you are wondering if there is a god that made everything, Earth and the heavens, think about this; we already know that all things are made up of up of tiny particles, but do you think these particles just assembled itself?"

I look at the bible as a historical documents that was written a couple thousand years ago. We have a better understanding of history than what was known of then, so I would think that what was written would reflect that.

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Oh, I guess you missed the part about them being governed by instinct.. ..

Hang on........




yep..

It's still there.
...and you think that it's their instinct to specifically fear people. Prove it. Oh wait...
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...and you think that it's their instinct to specifically fear people. Prove it. Oh wait...

While that is just a GREAT rebuttal, I would agree with your sarcasm....there is no logical reason that a Lion should fear a man, except that it is instilled in him by God.

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Isn't it strange how the ancients drew pictures of dragons/dinosaur like creatures only for more modern archaeologists to dig up dinosaur bones thousands of years later?

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
They also told stories about insects having four legs. Like in Leviticus 11:20-23. I haven't heard of any of these being found. Same with centaurs.
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which do you believe, science claiming the dinosaurs were the first things on the earth ...
Since you obviously don't have a grasp of what "science claims" then maybe you shouldn't be starting threads like this.

Animals that we would today classify as dinosaurs preceded recognizable human ancestors by around 250-300 million years. Most dinosaur species died about 65 million years ago, if you weren't aware. Bipedal creatures belonging to the genus homo came on the scene about 2.5 million years ago. I'm not sure which one of them was named Adam.

We're still evolving today. Generally we're smarter, taller, lighter colored and less hairy than our ancestors, with a bigger brain.
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We're still evolving today. Generally we're smarter, taller, lighter colored and less hairy than our ancestors, with a bigger brain.

No we are not, the changes are due to better health, medicine, and hormones in our food and drinks. They have nothing to do with evolution.

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No we are not, the changes are due to better health, medicine, and hormones in our food and drinks. They have nothing to do with evolution.
When a species changes en masse, you can usually find contributiong factors in the environment. What is your point? We are changing.

Besides, since when do humans seek shorter, dumber mates?
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No we are not, the changes are due to better health, medicine, and hormones in our food and drinks. They have nothing to do with evolution.
That's an awfully bold statement for something you really don't know, considering we have seen evolution in many, many, many other organisms that have the same genomic structures that we do.

But, you can always attribute some change due to environment. However, we do have the human genome sequenced to where we will be able to monitor changes and trends over time. Things that the environment does not have control over. It's too new as of now, we need to let more time pass, but it should be interesting.
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That's an awfully bold statement for something you really don't know, considering we have seen evolution in many, many, many other organisms that have the same genomic structures that we do.

But, you can always attribute some change due to environment. However, we do have the human genome sequenced to where we will be able to monitor changes and trends over time. Things that the environment does not have control over. It's too new as of now, we need to let more time pass, but it should be interesting.
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The mechanism is the same, selective reproduction. Predation, if painted with a broad enough brush to include disease, breeding and any other statistical forcing, greatly influences the random mutation of any species. Humans are a part of nature, not separate. Human influence is no more "unnatural" than any other environmental influnce.

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Since you obviously don't have a grasp of what "science claims" then maybe you shouldn't be starting threads like this.

Animals that we would today classify as dinosaurs preceded recognizable human ancestors by around 250-300 million years. Most dinosaur species died about 65 million years ago, if you weren't aware. Bipedal creatures belonging to the genus homo came on the scene about 2.5 million years ago. I'm not sure which one of them was named Adam.

We're still evolving today. Generally we're smarter, taller, lighter colored and less hairy than our ancestors, with a bigger brain.

First off who are you to tell me what I can or cannot start a thread about. You fail to see that this comes down to what was on the earth first, adam and the animals or the dinosaurs? It simply comes back to religion vs. science, even further going to how old the earth is, and that's another topic of how old science says the earth is and how old the bible says the earth is.

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land." Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said,"Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the Promised Land." Now Obama has stolen your shovel..., taxed your asses, raised the price of camels and mortgaged the Promised Land!
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"Then God said, “Let the waters abound with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth.” So God created great whales and everything that moves in the water, and winged animals—all these producing after their kinds; and God saw that it was good. And He blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful, and multiply.” And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Then God said, “Let the earth be filled with living creatures.” So He made the animals on the earth, the cattle, and every thing that crawls upon the earth—all producing after their kinds; and God saw that it was good.

Then God said, “Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.” And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So God created man in His own image; and He created them male and female. God named the first man Adam; then later Adam called the woman, Eve."







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Okay. Please point out the part that shows the dinosaurs AREN'T part of the creatures made on His fifth day. We came on the sixth.

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which do you believe, science claiming the dinosaurs were the first things on the earth or the Bible which says Adam was the first to walk the earth?
Neither the dinosaurs NOR Adam were claimed by religion OR science to be the first creature on earth. Don't get offended when someone calls you on a comment you make. I just think the story of Creation doesn't explicitly state the moment each creature was created, and I also think the concept of seven days to God is much different than seven days to humans. I could be wrong.


Is your hypothesis that no creatures died out before man came?
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I read the title of this thread, and the first thing that came to mind was Jason and the Argonauts



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I read the title of this thread, and the first thing that came to mind was Jason and the Argonauts



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First thing I thought was, "I don't know who Adam is, but I'll put $20 on the dinosaur."
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Dangit Tim, you beat me to it! Everytime I see this thread title I think to myself.... I'm pretty sure the dinosaur can take him! Just hadn't got around to posting.... lol.
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I have been asked this question quite a bit and pretty much summed it up like 46Tbird. The book of Genesis doesn't say 7 24 hour periods. It says 7 days according to God. Hell, before he said "Let there be light" there weren't days so I'm pretty sure that He and us aren't working on the same time schedule.
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I have been asked this question quite a bit and pretty much summed it up like 46Tbird. The book of Genesis doesn't say 7 24 hour periods. It says 7 days according to God. Hell, before he said "Let there be light" there weren't days so I'm pretty sure that He and us aren't working on the same time schedule.
How long was a 'day' at the time when the bible was written? Was it the next 'day' when the earth completely revolved immediately after he allegedly muttered the words 'let there be light'?
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How long was a 'day' at the time when the bible was written? Was it the next 'day' when the earth completely revolved immediately after he allegedly muttered the words 'let there be light'?
Genesis 1:1 is a recap. The story starts in 1:2. Interestingly, God did not tell Adam and Eve to populate the earth, he told them to 'replenish' the earth, making it sound like the earth had once been full. Oddly enough, he told the animals to 'fill' the earth, not replenish. I have just recently come to understand that while the human race is young, we really have no way of dating the actual age of the earth based on these scriptures . The truth lies somewhere in what God does NOT say, and maybe He did it that on purpose. I find it immensely interesting that He told them to replenish the earth ('some historians say 'bring forth abundantly'), and what that may mean. We see other references to this when Cain is sent away, and says that surely he will be found and killed (why did he think that he would..or even could....be killed by someone).

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Dangit Tim, you beat me to it! Everytime I see this thread title I think to myself.... I'm pretty sure the dinosaur can take him! Just hadn't got around to posting.... lol.
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I have been asked this question quite a bit and pretty much summed it up like 46Tbird. The book of Genesis doesn't say 7 24 hour periods. It says 7 days according to God. Hell, before he said "Let there be light" there weren't days so I'm pretty sure that He and us aren't working on the same time schedule.
But you fall into a serious trap of logic if you do. The Genesis account can only be thought of as occuring in 6 standard 24 hour days. To speculate differently is a serious blow to faith in the bible as inerrant and true.

If you want to assume that the 6 days are metaphoric and really imply 6 time periods of millinnea in order to satisfy a geological and archeological record, then you inadvertently create a conflict with the rest of the bible. You legitimize a fossil record that is incompatible with the story of a global flood, and an archeological record that is incompatible with the Exodus narrative. Among other things.

There is no other use in the bible of the word YM or yom for anything other than a 24 hour day, except as a figure of indefinite time like "in the days of...". Linguistically, the 6 days stand as actual 24 hour days.

In fact the separation of light from darkness as a discription of the divide between night and day are carefully placed first to define the use of the word day; he mentions for good reason that the evening and the morning were the first day. You cannot extrapolate a figurative length of time from that account because it specifically mentions one day as consisting of one moring and one evening. Furthermore, the account is evenly divided between 6 equal time periods, not 6 periods of indefinite and variable length.

There is also a reference to light separating day from night, for all the years to come. The concept of night and day is clearly a dichotomy. If "day" means an indefinite period of time, then what does "night" mean? The opposite, or no time at all? And what does "years" mean?

And then there is the notorious seventh day. God rested on the seventh day and therefore made it holy. If the other days are not really days, then what is this seventh day? Why is it referred to as the sabbath? To be figurative with the others means that this is also figurative, so that whole generations of people could pass before anyone was actually required to keep the sabbath.

You can't have it both ways. Like I said elsewhere, proof and faith are not two ends of the same spectrum, they are two unrelated concepts.
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But you fall into a serious trap of logic if you do. The Genesis account can only be thought of as occuring in 6 standard 24 hour days. To speculate differently is a serious blow to faith in the bible as inerrant and true.

If you want to assume that the 6 days are metaphoric and really imply 6 time periods of millinnea in order to satisfy a geological and archeological record, then you inadvertently create a conflict with the rest of the bible. You legitimize a fossil record that is incompatible with the story of a global flood, and an archeological record that is incompatible with the Exodus narrative. Among other things.

There is no other use in the bible of the word YM or yom for anything other than a 24 hour day, except as a figure of indefinite time like "in the days of...". Linguistically, the 6 days stand as actual 24 hour days.

In fact the separation of light from darkness as a discription of the divide between night and day are carefully placed first to define the use of the word day; he mentions for good reason that the evening and the morning were the first day. You cannot extrapolate a figurative length of time from that account because it specifically mentions one day as consisting of one moring and one evening. Furthermore, the account is evenly divided between 6 equal time periods, not 6 periods of indefinite and variable length.

There is also a reference to light separating day from night, for all the years to come. The concept of night and day is clearly a dichotomy. If "day" means an indefinite period of time, then what does "night" mean? The opposite, or no time at all? And what does "years" mean?

And then there is the notorious seventh day. God rested on the seventh day and therefore made it holy. If the other days are not really days, then what is this seventh day? Why is it referred to as the sabbath? To be figurative with the others means that this is also figurative, so that whole generations of people could pass before anyone was actually required to keep the sabbath.

You can't have it both ways. Like I said elsewhere, proof and faith are not two ends of the same spectrum, they are two unrelated concepts.

Good explanation Casper. From a Christian standpoint, one has to believe that it is 6 literal days (although the hours may have been off a bit) or it throws a wrench into the legitimacy of Salvation.

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my problem with the book of genisis, it was adopted from another ancient religion by the jews long after they had established their religion. 2nd the book of genisis has been altered countless times. there is no longer mention of Lilith (adams first wife). Enoch has also been almost compleatly wiped out of the bible (I think he is down to 1 mention in genisis) though in orthodox christianity he is more of a player.
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my problem with the book of genisis, it was adopted from another ancient religion by the jews long after they had established their religion. 2nd the book of genisis has been altered countless times. there is no longer mention of Lilith (adams first wife). Enoch has also been almost compleatly wiped out of the bible (I think he is down to 1 mention in genisis) though in orthodox christianity he is more of a player.
The story of Lilith was added much after, although there are many that hold that Lilith was just not submissive enough, so bam, we have Eve... it is complete nonsense.

Why do you think that Genesis has been altered? The extremely strict ways in which the copies were made insured that there were no changes. If there were any mistakes, the whole copy was to be burned and started over.

The book of Enoch is a pseudepigraphical work, and was probably written much after using the name Enoch to lend credibility.

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No we are not, the changes are due to better health, medicine, and hormones in our food and drinks. They have nothing to do with evolution.
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The story of Lilith was added much after, although there are many that hold that Lilith was just not submissive enough, so bam, we have Eve... it is complete nonsense.

Why do you think that Genesis has been altered? The extremely strict ways in which the copies were made insured that there were no changes. If there were any mistakes, the whole copy was to be burned and started over.

The book of Enoch is a pseudepigraphical work, and was probably written much after using the name Enoch to lend credibility.
there are actual records of the book of genisis being altered once the jews adopted it, and then even altered by the romans after they adopted it. the story of enoch was actually removed by the catholics, though its still exists in the much older jewish version.

some of the oldest text we have of genisis mention lilith, different sects decided to take her out, some left her in, even the christians tried to add her to the biblical version in the middle ages.

the bible gets revissions with every new generation
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