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Are you too educated for your own good?

I guess I will start this off saying that I feel like I know too much for my own good. I'm not being arrogant, notice I didn't say too smart for my own good.

I'm a huge natural history buff, anything having to do with geology, space, origins of the Earth, that type of stuff, I can't get enough of.

Up until the time I was 18, I was forced to go to church by my parents. I don't claim to be religious but I do know the Bible and have always believed in God. I do not go to church now, and find myself resenting religion all together (that's a different subject).

Lately I have been questioning my faith or even the existence of The Almighty. With all the advances in technology and discoveries being made on almost a daily basis, in the natural history world, what am I suppose to think?

I know that's why it is called Faith, you have to believe, but I just can't anymore. Should I stop reading all the garbage that has made me feel this way?

Anybody else in this boat?
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I think part of the problem is that we have grown up on a diet of self-help and doctrinally weak Christianity. Most of what is preached is superficial and powerless and so science begins to look mighty attractive. Other religions begin to look attractive. For me, about 4 or 5 years ago in a weird time in my life I was even looking at what Islam had to say. I think this all stemmed from a doctrinally poor Christian upbringing that focused more on man and his need rather than God and His glory. Christianity was just about a bunch of fools I thought without a lick of intelligence.

I am most thankful that God brought me out of that mindset and I became introduced to passionate, intelligent, and powerful men of God such as Paul Washer, John Piper, John MacArthur, RC Sproul, and Alistair Begg. God is no longer small and there just for my needs but He is grand and glorious and I am here out of His kindness and mercy. God must be big to you before you can understand this. I would blame much of your thoughts on God and faith on the culture we are in at this time. Pick up some old Christian books by AW Pink, AW Tozer, or Charles Spurgeon and see if God may help you to see. Better yet, pick up your Bible and read through the Gospels.
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You should continue to do what you are doing....taking in information from as many sources and viewpoints as possible and drawing your own conclusions.

Make no excuses or apologies for what you believe, whether you are a Bible thumper or believe in evolution.
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No matter how far man advances his scientific knowledge, he will never be able to resurrect himself from own death. Only Jesus Christ can.
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you can never be too educated...

I believe in god, but I do not believe in religion, and I do NOT belive that any book written by a MAN is the "word of god"

don't lose your faith in god, but embrace your loss of faith in men with something to gain
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Awh, knowledge....So what you are saying is that you can tell me all about the young man defending the giant or who was in prison when. Maybe who wrote which gospel, or even when it was written. Knowledge on the Romans, Corinthians and the folks of Nazerath.
There is a vast difference in knowing all the history and living its meanings. But you keep reading and let it speak wisdom to you.
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Give great attention to the word preached. Let nothing pass without taking special notice of it. 'All the people were very attentive to hear him.' Luke 19: 48. They hung upon his lips. 'Lydia, a seller of purple, which worshipped God, heard us, whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.' Acts 16: 14. Give attention to the word, as to a matter of life and death. For this purpose have a care to banish vain impertinent thoughts, which will distract yell, and take you off from the work in hand. These fowls will be coming to the sacrifice, therefore we must drive them away. Gen 15: 2. An archer may take a right aim; but if one stand at his elbow, and jog him when he is going to shoot, he will not hit the mark. Christians may have good aims in hearing; but take heed of impertinent thoughts which will jog and hinder you in God's service. Banish dullness. The devil gives many hearers a sleepy sop, so that they cannot keep their eyes open at a sermon. They eat so much on the Lord's-day that they are more fit for the pillow and couch than the temple. Frequent and customary sleeping at a sermon shows high contempt and irreverence of the ordinance. It gives a bad example to others; it makes your sincerity to be called in question; it is the devil's seedtime. 'While men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares.' Matt 13: 25 O shake off drowsiness, as Paul shook off the viper! Be serious and attentive in hearing the word. 'For it is not a vain thing for you, it is your life.' Deut 32: 47. When people do not mind what God speaks to them in his word, God as little minds what they say to him in prayer.

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No matter how far man advances his scientific knowledge, he will never be able to resurrect himself from own death. Only Jesus Christ can.
Actually, that's not true. You should really do some research before making a silly statement like that. There are cases of people declared dead, not breathing, coming back to life hours later.

One recent one in North Carolina, in 2005 a man was declared dead after he was hit by a car. 2 hours later the medical examiner performing the autopsy finds him breathing.

Or one from 2007, a man declared brain dead comes back to life while a nurse is prepping him for organ donation.

One from London, the wife identified the body, and the autopsy had begun, and the man comes back to life.

Of course there's also cardioplegia, which is medically induced cardiac arrest, allowing doctors to work on the heart without damaging muscle tissue. But of course, that's not someone coming back to life on their own.

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Actually, that's not true. You should really do some research before making a silly statement like that. There are cases of people declared dead, not breathing, coming back to life hours later.
In these cases you list, did they resurrect themselves?

original statement
"he will never be able to resurrect himself"

So you see, the statement is not so silly after all.

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Like the man said DarkHorse, read the post I made before making (using your word) "silly" statements in yet another theology thread. If you can't comprehend two simple sentences that's your own problem. Back to using internet links again too I see in another attempt to make up for your lack of understanding; not lack of knowledge necessarily, but lack of understanding.
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I wasn't trying to upset anyone or draw somebody into an argument. I guess a better question to ask would have been; If/when you question your own faith, how do you recover from that?
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Like the man said DarkHorse, read the post I made before making (using your word) "silly" statements in yet another theology thread. If you can't comprehend two simple sentences that's your own problem. Back to using internet links again too I see in another attempt to make up for your lack of understanding; not lack of knowledge necessarily, but lack of understanding.
Actually, we are getting better and better at certain techniques of "resurrection". I wouldn't say we will never be able to.
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In these cases you list, did they resurrect themselves?

original statement
"he will never be able to resurrect himself"

So you see, the statement is not so silly after all.

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I won't even justify Majestyk's asinine comment, the boy clearly cannot grow up and has a need to make childish insults and snide remarks at any possible moment.

However, to address your question, I suppose that would depend on how you specifically feel resurrection occurs.

They were dead. For hours. No life. And suddenly, they come back to life.

How? 5-15 minutes is all it takes for brain death to occur once the heart stops beating. Yet they were dead for hours, and came back, and they are not brain dead.

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(can you comprehend a one-word reply without getting upset DarkHorse?)
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(can you comprehend a one-word reply without getting upset DarkHorse?)
Like I said, you just can't stop with the childish remarks, can you?

Though to address your statement, we are in agreement, in so much that scientifically we don't not yet fully understand why these things happen. Only that they do, rare though they are.

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^^^^^ still obviously upset, but that's not unusual for one such as you with your only child mentality.

No, we are not in agreement. Scientifically explaining "why these things happen" can be your endeavor if you so choose, but no scientific explanantion designed by man will ever address the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the third day after His death by crucufixtion. God can and does easily operate outside the realm of mankind's science, so your attempt to define His work strictly by human scientific deduction is doomed to failure. But keep trying, because if nothing else your misguided and thus failed attempts at debating theology are somewhat entertaining.
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^^^^^ still obviously upset, but that's not unusual for one such as you with your only child mentality.

No, we are not in agreement. Scientifically explaining "why these things happen" can be your endeavor if you so choose, but no scientific explanantion designed by man will ever address the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the third day after His death by crucufixtion. God can and does easily operate outside the realm of mankind's science, so your attempt to define His work strictly by human scientific deduction is doomed to failure. But keep trying, because if nothing else your misguided and thus failed attempts at debating theology are somewhat entertaining.
Why are the Masons so interested in science?
Could it be that nature and science have nothing to do with G#d?
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Science is man's attempt to understand and quantify the physical realm in which he exists. It does an excellent job of doing so, but offers no means of acknowledging or understanding that which exists outside of our perception of logic, which is after all only another human trait. Place your sense of who you are totally on science if you choose, or do as I do by acknowledging and benefiting from scientific achievements while also affirming that God is the Creator of all that man is attempting to understand.
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^^^^^ still obviously upset, but that's not unusual for one such as you with your only child mentality.
Upset? No. I just have a low threshold for imaturity, and prefer not to reward it.

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No, we are not in agreement. Scientifically explaining "why these things happen" can be your endeavor if you so choose, but no scientific explanantion designed by man will ever address the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the third day after His death by crucufixtion. God can and does easily operate outside the realm of mankind's science, so your attempt to define His work strictly by human scientific deduction is doomed to failure.
If science can someday explain (and it likely will) how these people die and come back to life, exactly how would that be any different than explaining how Jesus came back? Currently they're both "miracles", to which we agree. What we don't agree on is you are happy with just accepting it as such, where as I want to know more.

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Your low threshold for what you perceive as immaturity is another example of your only-child mentality. Grow up and realize nobody on here really cares how you deal with your frustrations. You are going to be treated like a child as long as you act out the part, so change your behavior to that of an adult or don't....doesn't matter.

"If" and "likely" disqualify your statement regarding science, science relies on absolute proof (from man's perspective by the way). I gladly accept the occurence of miracles, as part of a realm outside of the constrictions of scientific "proof"; you don't, so agree to disagree and move on.
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Your low threshold for what you perceive as immaturity is another example of your only-child mentality. Grow up and realize nobody on here really cares how you deal with your frustrations. You are going to be treated like a child as long as you act out the part, so change your behavior to that of an adult or don't....doesn't matter.
Now you're resorting to deflecting like BrianC? Guess I'm hitting too close to home.

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I thought that's what I was doing by pointing out you believe one way, and I don't believe the same. But your incessant need to get the last word and/or some snide comment in (more often both) won't let you just move on.

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Speaking your last words DarkHorse, you still seem upset and still are trying to cast your own childness onto others.

Theology Forum = Bible understanding trumps your rudimentary arguments against the authority of Scripture. Not unusual for a child or one of like mind to resent authority though.
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I'm a huge natural history buff, anything having to do with geology, space, origins of the Earth, that type of stuff, I can't get enough of.
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Lately I have been questioning my faith or even the existence of The Almighty. With all the advances in technology and discoveries being made on almost a daily basis, in the natural history world, what am I suppose to think?
I know the feeling. The bad thing is; you probably will not be able to reconcile your interest in natural history and the Bible.

Let Ben Stein tell it, www.expelledthemovie.com, universities are shunning and kicking out scientists who are trying to hold onto their religious beliefs despite their study of natural history.

The 6,000 year old Earth thing is never going to fly with you.

The authors of this web site state: "Our message is that you can believe in the Bible, and believe that the earth is billions of years old, without any conflict. This website proudly proclaims this truth."http://www.answersincreation.org/

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Speaking your last words DarkHorse, you still seem upset and still are trying to cast your own childness onto others.
Well, I did say as long as you insist on acting like a child, I will continue to treat you as such. I'm only honoring my word.

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Yeah, newsflash for ya, Theology does not equal Christianity. Sorry to burst your bubble. That's why it's called the Theology forum, not the Christianity forum.

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Well, I did say as long as you insist on acting like a child, I will continue to treat you as such. I'm only honoring my word.
Re-read (again and again, until you break through your mental constipation), no one in this forum really cares how you treat another. You're simply upset and frustrated, and can't stand to be instructed. But it's okay, not everyone matures when they're all grown up or can be taught valuable insight. Look at yourself for instance....


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Yeah, newsflash for ya, Theology does not equal Christianity. Sorry to burst your bubble. That's why it's called the Theology forum, not the Christianity forum.
You haven't burst anyone's bubble, little boy. Re-read (again and again until you break through your mental constipation) Theology Forum = Bible understanding trumps your rudimentary arguments. No where is it stated that Theology = Christianity. All faiths are more than welcome here, in spite of where your little mind has led you astray.
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I wasn't trying to upset anyone or draw somebody into an argument. I guess a better question to ask would have been; If/when you question your own faith, how do you recover from that?
Bummer, no one answered your question.

I think you questions were pretty interesting. How should you feel when your faith seems in conflict with your education? Do you end up rejecting one of them or just changing your understanding of them? Do you allow your education to lead you in a new direction or stand on what your parents taught you?

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Bummer, no one answered your question.

I think you questions were pretty interesting. How should you feel when your faith seems in conflict with your education? Do you end up rejecting one of them or just changing your understanding of them? Do you allow your education to lead you in a new direction or stand on what your parents taught you?
I had education...then I had faith..and then found out my education had some catching up to do to agree with my faith....not change mind you, just expand. Faith and education should go hand in hand to the true knowledge seeker.

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Your low threshold for what you perceive as immaturity is another example of your only-child mentality. Grow up and realize nobody on here really cares how you deal with your frustrations. You are going to be treated like a child as long as you act out the part, so change your behavior to that of an adult or don't....doesn't matter.

"If" and "likely" disqualify your statement regarding science, science relies on absolute proof (from man's perspective by the way). I gladly accept the occurence of miracles, as part of a realm outside of the constrictions of scientific "proof"; you don't, so agree to disagree and move on.

lol from someone who doesnt know either of you, you are clearly the one acting childish here. But im sure you will merely say im being childish now.

But i dont know much at all, but the more i learn the less likely i find any of the main religions to truthful. To me it seems they were made up in order to explain the unexplainable. Something for the common man, the sheep, if you will to believe in. And dont listen to any of us anymore than the people who will say god is the only way. They dont know any better than you what is out there.

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I'll always defend Biblical Truth in this forum or in any other facet of my life. It's nothing new to be ridiculed or called names for so doing, it comes with the territory, and doesn't matter.
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I'll always defend Biblical Truth in this forum or in any other facet of my life. It's nothing new to be ridiculed or called names for so doing, it comes with the territory, and doesn't matter.

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Like I said, it doesn't matter. Using the same infantile posting style that is at times used in replies posted in this forum is sadly necessary in some cases.
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I guess I will start this off saying that I feel like I know too much for my own good. I'm not being arrogant, notice I didn't say too smart for my own good.

I'm a huge natural history buff, anything having to do with geology, space, origins of the Earth, that type of stuff, I can't get enough of.

Up until the time I was 18, I was forced to go to church by my parents. I don't claim to be religious but I do know the Bible and have always believed in God. I do not go to church now, and find myself resenting religion all together (that's a different subject).

Lately I have been questioning my faith or even the existence of The Almighty. With all the advances in technology and discoveries being made on almost a daily basis, in the natural history world, what am I suppose to think?

I know that's why it is called Faith, you have to believe, but I just can't anymore. Should I stop reading all the garbage that has made me feel this way?

Anybody else in this boat?
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If you want to deny scientific evidence, proof, and facts, then yes, stop reading those "things". That's the christian way.
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Bummer, no one answered your question.

I think you questions were pretty interesting. How should you feel when your faith seems in conflict with your education? Do you end up rejecting one of them or just changing your understanding of them? Do you allow your education to lead you in a new direction or stand on what your parents taught you?
I had faith, which I believed was strong; however, I have always had an analytical type mind and questioned things that were intangible in my eyes. I was raised Mormon but left the church because it was too elitist for my tastes and according to their belief I would not be with my mother in the Celestial Kingdom because she is Buddhist. This is probably where all my confusion started, having been raised by parents of 2 completely different faiths.
I found God again when I was pregnant with my son and was 'born-again'. I tried, mostly in vain, to understand the Bible; I even bought study guides and went to classes at the church I was attending at the time. Even after all that I still could not comprehend what it was all about and I never did finish reading the Bible. In talking with other people about different situations, they would quote a passage and I just did not get it.
In wanting to provide the best life possible for my child, I started college when he was a year old. I majored in Forensic Biology. I had to take Evolution and Genetics courses and it was then that a light came on for me. I finally had a clearer view of life and my purpose here, which I was unable to attain from scripture. The science just makes more sense and is much more logical to me. I have been more at spiritual peace than I have ever been in my entire life.
In the end, I will have to agree with Cooter, I have faith in God but I do not have faith in religion or a book written by men. Is there a higher power, I definitely think so. Do I still pray and believe in the power of prayer? Yes. I actually feel that my education finally brought me closer to God, but obviously not in a 'Christian' sense.
For trblshooter: Not all people think, believe or feel in the same ways. We all process information differently. You have to decide what makes sense to you and brings you more peace. For some it is scripture they find comfort and faith in, for others, like me, science. For you it may be something different. Keep questioning and searching.

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I had faith, which I believed was strong; however, I have always had an analytical type mind and questioned things that were intangible in my eyes. I was raised Mormon but left the church because it was too elitist for my tastes and according to their belief I would not be with my mother in the Celestial Kingdom because she is Buddhist. This is probably where all my confusion started, having been raised by parents of 2 completely different faiths.
I found God again when I was pregnant with my son and was 'born-again'. I tried, mostly in vain, to understand the Bible; I even bought study guides and went to classes at the church I was attending at the time. Even after all that I still could not comprehend what it was all about and I never did finish reading the Bible. In talking with other people about different situations, they would quote a passage and I just did not get it.
In wanting to provide the best life possible for my child, I started college when he was a year old. I majored in Forensic Biology. I had to take Evolution and Genetics courses and it was then that a light came on for me. I finally had a clearer view of life and my purpose here, which I was unable to attain from scripture. The science just makes more sense and is much more logical to me. I have been more at spiritual peace than I have ever been in my entire life.
In the end, I will have to agree with Cooter, I have faith in God but I do not have faith in religion or a book written by men. Is there a higher power, I definitely think so. Do I still pray and believe in the power of prayer? Yes. I actually feel that my education finally brought me closer to God, but obviously not in a 'Christian' sense.
For trblshooter: Not all people think, believe or feel in the same ways. We all process information differently. You have to decide what makes sense to you and brings you more peace. For some it is scripture they find comfort and faith in, for others, like me, science. For you it may be something different. Keep questioning and searching.
When you say you were 'born-again' how did that manifest itself or how did that come about?
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When you say you were 'born-again' how did that manifest itself or how did that come about?
In an effort to improve myself as a person, so that I could be the best mother I could possibly be, I started going to church again. A small, country non-denominational church in Joshua. The members that I met there are incredible people. They seemed to have such clarity and peace, and their faith was unfathomable to me. I wanted that peace and faith and clarity. Because of the confusion of faith from my childhood, I guess I always feared it. We fear what we do not know, right? In a moment of prayer one evening, I was overwhelmed with with the need to face my fear. Hence the bible study began.

I knew something was missing from my life, but I didn't know what. I desperately wanted to fill that gap. After spending more time with the people at church, and seeing how content they were, I came to realize that what I was missing was faith in God.

I started feeling more at peace, but I did not have the clarity that other members had. I still did not understand the Bible and that was very frustrating for me because everyone else go it. I was doing all the right things; prayer, fellowship, leading a Christ like life, etc. It was comforting, and after prayer and discussions with fellow members, I FELT I was saved/born again. They even said they felt that I had been saved. I had a renewed faith in God, but I still did not understand it.

I guess it was a false sense of comfort because in the back of my mind I was thinking 'How could they, or I for that matter, truly know if I was saved or not?' What is it that they see that I cannot? It just was not logical to me. How could THEY know what was going on between me and God? It was confusing but at the same time I guess I wanted the peace, even though the clarity was not there, that I just went with it and tried to quit over analyzing and questioning it. I even changed churches at one point hoping that a different perspective could fill in the gap for me. It didn't.

I continued studying the Bible in hopes of finding a way to bridge that gap. Then I started college and one day I realized that my bridge wasn't in the Bible because it was too intangible for me to grasp how it all related to me. My biology classes filled that gap and gave me a clearer understanding of how the world worked and how everything fit together. It was much more logical and comprehendible in my mind than concepts from the bible or other Christian teachings. With that understanding I found the peace that I was looking for. It was the foundation that I could build my bridge on.

I had clarity and I had peace, but what about faith? I struggled with that because everything that I had been taught(believed in) had been blown out of the water. I came to the conclusion that my faith in God had nothing to do with a book (bible or college text book) or with how other people worshiped Him. It is a personal relationship between me and Him and does not require any outside influence. It is MY faith and I can nurture it in ways that work for me, not by believing or doing what works for other people.

And now I have it all; peace, clarity and faith. But in reference to being saved or 'born-again,' I guess I falsely believed that I was but I dont know for sure because none of it ever made sense to me. The foundation was never there.

Sorry that was so long, I had never actually put all of those thoughts on 'paper' before.

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You just have to follow the evidence that you have been given.

An argument for a supreme being is similar to the argument for a giant invisible tea keddle orbiting the earth. You can't be sure that there isn't a giant invisible tea keddle orbiting the earth, but would you think that there was one just because you had been told that there was your whole life? Probably. And then you would get to a point where you would figure out that it is just something that people have been told for so long that they get attached to the idea so they keep it alive. Best of luck brother.
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