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The Great Pyramid: Proof of God (or Aliens)

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The Great Pyramid is proof that there is either a God or Aliens. Here are some facts about the Great Pyramid that testify to this.

In the Bible, we're told that there is a temple built as testament to God, and it is located in the middle of Egypt and in on the border of Egypt. Egypt was split into two countries long ago, and the border of the two ran right through the Great Pyramid. Egypt became a single country again later, and the Great Pyramid was right in the center of Egypt. On the border, and in the center of Egypt.

Isaiah 19:19
"In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border."
(It's possible this pyramid could be the monolith that the Washington Monument is modelled after. It's in Egypt too. But from what I understand, this pillar is the same thing as the alter. Could be wrong, though.)

When you enter the pyramid, it has a path toward the King's Chamber. Shortly after you walk that directly, a broad path to the Pharoah's Tomb (symbolizing death and hell) goes down from there, and it's easy to get onto this path. The Bible says the path to destruction is broad, and many there are that find it. Then, if you continue up, the path narrows to the King's Chamber (symbolizing life and heaven). Half way up, there is a passage you must pass that has an empty sarcophagus in it, symbolizing the risen savior. You must pass this to approach the King's Chamber. Jesus said, "No man comes unto the Father except through me." In that same room, there is a hole in the ceiling where you can see the one point in the sky that never changes while the earth revolves, symbolizing that Jesus is at the center of all things, because He is the creator. This is definitely a temple built for God, and built long before Jesus came. These people knew more than we think they did.

Here are some mind-blowing stats about the Great Pyramid:
(Pay close attention to the last few stats - they're very interesting)

- Thirty times larger than the Empire State Building, the Pyramid's features are so large they can be seen from the Moon.

- Its base covers 13.6 acres (equal to seven midtown Manhatten city blocks), each side being greater than five acres in area.

- A highway lane eight feet wide and four inches thick could be built from San Francisco to New York and put inside the Great Pyramid.

- The oldest structure in existence, having been started 4,617 years ago, it is the sole remnant of the Seven Wonders of the World.

- Only a solid stone mountain could endure the Pyramid's immense weight. And indeed, a flat solid granite mountain happens to be located just beneath the surface of the ground directly under the Pyramid.

- It is built to face true North (not magnetic north, meaning these people somehow knew exactly where the North Pole is)

- The Pyramid is located at the exact center of the Earth's land mass. That is, its East-West axis corresponds to the longest land parallel across the Earth, passing through Africa, Asia, and America. Similarly, the longest land meridian on Earth, through Asia, Africa, Europa, and Antarctica, also passes right through the Pyramid. Since the Earth has enough land area to provide 3 billion possible building sites for the Pyramid, the odds of it's having been built where it is are 1 in 3 billion.

- Like 20th century bridge designs, the Pyramid's cornerstones have balls and sockets built into them. Several football fields long, the Pyramid is subject to expansion and contraction movements from heat and cold, as well as earthquakes, settling, and other such phenomena. After 4,600 years it's structure would have been significantly damaged without such construction.

- While the bulk of the Pyramid's core was constructed of 4,000- to 40,000-pound blocks of soft limestone, the outer layer of the Pyramid was made of a beautifully bright, protective layer of polished stone. These outer "casing stones" are missing today because about 600 years ago they were stolen by Arabs, (This accounts for the very worn appearance of the Pyramid today, since the inner limestone blocks are not immune to attack by the elements-wind, rain, and sandstrom.) This protective covering was made up of 100-inch-thick, 20-ton block of hard, white limestone, similar to marble but superior in hardness and in durability against the elements.

- Amazingly, the outside surface stones are cut within 0.01 (1/100th) inch of perfectly straight and at nearly perfect right angles for all six sides. And they were placed together with an intentional gap between them of 0.02 inch. Modern technology cannot place such 20-ton stones with greater accuracy than those in the Pyramid.

- Even more amazing is that the 0.02-inch gap was designed to allow space for glue to seal and hold the stones together. A white cement that connected the casing stones and made them watertight is still intact and stronger than the blocks that it joins.

- We know from geometry that there is a universal relationship between the diameter of a circle and its circumference. Consider this: The height of the Pyramid's apex is 5,812.98 inches, and each side is 9,131 inches from corner to corner (in a straight line). If the circumference of the Pyramid is divided by twice its height (the diameter of a circle is twice the radius), the result is 3.14159, which just happens to be pi. Incredibly, this calculation is accurate to six digits. So the Pyramid is a square circle, and thus pi was designed into it 4,600 years ago. Pi is demonstrated many times throughout the Pyramid.

- Other numbers are also repeated throughout. Each of the Pyramids four walls, when measured as a straight line, are 9,131 inches, for a total of 36,524 inches. At first glance, this number may not seem significant, but move the decimal point over and you get 365.24. Modern science has shown us that the exact length of the solar year is 365.24 days.

- The average height of land above sea level (Miami being low and the Himalayas being high), as can be measured only by modern-day satellites and computers, happens to be 5,449 inches. That is the exact height of the Pyramid.

- All four sides of the Pyramid are very slightly and evenly bowed in, or concave. This effect, which cannot be detected by looking at the Pyramid from the ground, was discovered around 1940 by a pilot taking aerial photos to check certain measurements. As measured by today's laser instruments, all of these perfectly cut and intentionally bowed stone blocks duplicate exactly the curvature of the earth. The radius of this bow is equal to the radius of the Earth. This radius of curvature is what Newton had long been seeking.

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Aliens? Illegal aliens perhaps?? So the pyramid was possibly built by messicans???


I see the Great Pyramid as being a grandiose tomb for the Pharoah Cheops, but nothing more.


One weakness in the numbers:

The average height of land above sea level (Miami being low and the Himalayas being high), as can be measured only by modern-day satellites and computers, happens to be 5,449 inches. That is the exact height of the Pyramid.

What was the average height of land above sea level in 2,600-2,500BC; it almost certainly was something other than 5,449 inches given natural variations in sea levels due to polar ice cap thickness, etc.
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The Great Pyramid is proof that there is either a God or Aliens. Here are some facts about the Great Pyramid that testify to this.

In the Bible, we're told that there is a temple built as testament to God, and it is located in the middle of Egypt and in on the border of Egypt. Egypt was split into two countries long ago, and the border of the two ran right through the Great Pyramid. Egypt became a single country again later, and the Great Pyramid was right in the center of Egypt. On the border, and in the center of Egypt.
What is the quote from the bible you are referring to?

Second, I tried to find where Egypt was split into two countries, and could not find anything. I saw mention of a Upper and Lower Egypt, that was split on the Nile river, but never 2 separate countries.
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The Great Pyramid is proof that there is either a God or Aliens. Here are some facts about the Great Pyramid that testify to this.

In the Bible, we're told that there is a temple built as testament to God, and it is located in the middle of Egypt and in on the border of Egypt. Egypt was split into two countries long ago, and the border of the two ran right through the Great Pyramid. Egypt became a single country again later, and the Great Pyramid was right in the center of Egypt. On the border, and in the center of Egypt.
Come on now, that's just ridiculous.

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If the circumference of the Pyramid is divided by twice its height (the diameter of a circle is twice the radius), the result is 3.14159, which just happens to be pi. Incredibly, this calculation is accurate to six digits. So the Pyramid is a square circle, and thus pi was designed into it 4,600 years ago. Pi is demonstrated many times throughout the Pyramid.

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What is the circumference of the pyramid? The base is a square, only circles have circumferences.
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How are the pyramids proof of God? It was financed & built by a Pharoah, for his burial. If anything it's a testment to absolute power. Oh, and who now practices ancient Egyptian religion? Care to pray to Ra or Horus?

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Aliens? Illegal aliens perhaps?? So the pyramid was possibly built by messicans???


I see the Great Pyramid as being a grandiose tomb for the Pharoah Cheops, but nothing more.


One weakness in the numbers:

The average height of land above sea level (Miami being low and the Himalayas being high), as can be measured only by modern-day satellites and computers, happens to be 5,449 inches. That is the exact height of the Pyramid.

What was the average height of land above sea level in 2,600-2,500BC; it almost certainly was something other than 5,449 inches given natural variations in sea levels due to polar ice cap thickness, etc.
I think the magnificence here is that God foreknew when mankind would be able to know these statistics about the earth, and he had them build the Great Pyramid to meet exactly those specs to that in this time period, they would be dead on. This would go more to show the magnificence of God in that no aliens would know what the world would look like today, and so they would not be able to build the Pyramid to these specs without knowledge of the future. So God must've informed these people how to do this.

So really, you don't see God's hand in this anywhere?? Wow... And you don't think it was a temple to God, even though it has a perfect picture of life and salvation, and it is right where it's supposed to be, on the border of Egypt and in the center? Hmmmmm.... that's weird... To each his own.

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How are the pyramids proof of God? It was financed & built by a Pharoah, for his burial. If anything it's a testment to absolute power. Oh, and who now practices ancient Egyptian religion? Care to pray to Ra or Horus?

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The implication is that the pyramid was built originally by people who believed and actually knew and talked to the one true God (how else could they have known to build it with the specs they used and the precision). How would these people know the highest and lowest points on the earth? How would they know the exact curvature or the single point in the sky that never changes during a revolution of the earth? This is intelligent stuff here. How'd they pull this off without God's help? Pretty impossible if you ask me. Before the flood, God communed with mankind. He spoke directly to Adam and Eve in the Garden, even after they sinned. And right before the flood, God makes a statement and says, "I will blot My face out from mankind." I won't go into how He did that, though.

Anyway, after the flood, the Egyptians moved in and took up residence and devoted the Pyramid to their gods instead of the one true God. That's the implication.

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What is the circumference of the pyramid? The base is a square, only circles have circumferences.
I thought they taught reading comprehension in schools now days.

If the pyramid's side has a curvature, then that curvature has a circumfrence when it's continued in it's curvature to make a full circle. The author of this article was saying that if you take that curvature and make it into a circle, it will have a circumfrence the size of which was stated. This could all be assertained from the article, which is why I question your reading comprehension skills...

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BrianC Proof: Without God, the Egyptians could not have had math nor astronomy.
Exlude Proof of no God: The Egyptians clearly had math and astronomy, but I'm going to completely skip over the fact that they needed to know the exact elevation of Miami (the lowest point on earth above sea level) and the Himalayans highest peak in order to incorporate that into the dimentions, and also they had to be able to figure out the exact curvature of the earth as well...but that's not important, because that would mean I'm wrong.

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Come on now, that's just ridiculous.

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How did they know the distance from the lowest elevation on earth (Miami) to the highest (Himalayans) in order to build that into the dimensions? Was that coincidence? Because since you believe all of the numerical prophecies are just coincidence too, it wouldn't be much of a strech for you to believe this also is coincidence.

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Exlude Proof of no God: The Egyptians clearly had math and astronomy, but I'm going to completely skip over the fact that they needed to know the exact elevation of Miami (the lowest point on earth above sea level) and the Himalayans highest peak in order to incorporate that into the dimentions, and also they had to be able to figure out the exact curvature of the earth as well...but that's not important, because that would mean I'm wrong.
For the elevation of Miami and the Himalayas to be relative, there would have to be a prophecy stating "The Pyramids will equal the distances above sea level between Miami and The Himalayas".

This is fucking rediculous. If it wasn't Miami, you would come back and say "Orlando"... "no wait I mean Houston".

I fail to see where in the blueprints for the Pyramids that Miami and The Himalayas are used as measuring sticks being incorporated into the schematics.
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What is the quote from the bible you are referring to?

Second, I tried to find where Egypt was split into two countries, and could not find anything. I saw mention of a Upper and Lower Egypt, that was split on the Nile river, but never 2 separate countries.
Find it yourself, smartguy. I bet Wikipedia talks about it. Look up Egypt on Wikipedia.

You know, that's a good question. I haven't read that verse in ages. I'll have to see if I can find it again. Not sure where it is anymore...

Oh, found it:
Isaiah 19:19
"In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border."
(It's possible this pyramid could be the monolith that the Washington Monument is modelled after. It's in Egypt too. But from what I understand [and others understand it this way too for some reason], this pillar is the same thing as the alter. Could be wrong, though.)

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For the elevation of Miami and the Himalayas to be relative, there would have to be a prophecy stating "The Pyramids will equal the distances above sea level between Miami and The Himalayas".

This is fucking rediculous. If it wasn't Miami, you would come back and say "Orlando"... "no wait I mean Houston".

I fail to see where in the blueprints for the Pyramids that Miami and The Himalayas are used as measuring sticks being incorporated into the schematics.
Look, I didn't find this stuff. It's on a webpage and scientists are the ones who worked out this stuff, not me. This has nothing to do with anything I said.

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Exlude Proof of no God: The Egyptians clearly had math and astronomy, but I'm going to completely skip over the fact that they needed to know the exact elevation of Miami (the lowest point on earth above sea level) and the Himalayans highest peak in order to incorporate that into the dimentions, and also they had to be able to figure out the exact curvature of the earth as well...but that's not important, because that would mean I'm wrong.
I didn't say it was proof of no God. Show me where I did, smart guy. You just get more and more rediculous. Your first few arguments had merit, I'll give you that. That's probably why you posted them first, now these.
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I didn't say it was proof of no God. Show me where I did, smart guy. You just get more and more rediculous. Your first few arguments had merit, I'll give you that. That's probably why you posted them first, now these.
I'd say this has merit. You certainly can't give an explanation for how they would know all of this stuff and be able to build it into the dimensions of the Pyramid. I'd say this is pretty decent stuff. And again, I didn't come up with it. Just got it off some webpage.

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Anyway, after the flood, the Egyptians moved in and took up residence and devoted the Pyramid to their gods instead of the one true God. That's the implication.
Huh? So, what year are you proposing for the flood? What year for the construction of this particular pyramid?

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I'd say this has merit. You certainly can't give an explanation for how they would know all of this stuff and be able to build it into the dimensions of the Pyramid. I'd say this is pretty decent stuff. And again, I didn't come up with it. Just got it off some webpage.
I'll refer you to my first post.
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How did they know the distance from the lowest elevation on earth (Miami) to the highest (Himalayans) in order to build that into the dimensions?
Looks like it does to me, because you are finding relavence in it.
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How did they know the distance from the lowest elevation on earth (Miami) to the highest (Himalayans) in order to build that into the dimensions? Was that coincidence? Because since you believe all of the numerical prophecies are just coincidence too, it wouldn't be much of a strech for you to believe this also is coincidence.
You are all over the place on this one. Please provide some references for your information on the Great Pyramid. Where did you get these ideas? How familiar are you with Ancient Egyptian history?

As far as this distance is concerned, I don't know the numbers to even make a comparison. Please provide these numbers for me to consider.

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I'd say this has merit. You certainly can't give an explanation for how they would know all of this stuff and be able to build it into the dimensions of the Pyramid. I'd say this is pretty decent stuff. And again, I didn't come up with it. Just got it off some webpage.
Please provide the webpage link.

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I think the magnificence here is that God foreknew when mankind would be able to know these statistics about the earth, and he had them build the Great Pyramid to meet exactly those specs to that in this time period, they would be dead on. This would go more to show the magnificence of God in that no aliens would know what the world would look like today, and so they would not be able to build the Pyramid to these specs without knowledge of the future. So God must've informed these people how to do this.

So really, you don't see God's hand in this anywhere?? Wow... And you don't think it was a temple to God, even though it has a perfect picture of life and salvation, and it is right where it's supposed to be, on the border of Egypt and in the center? Hmmmmm.... that's weird... To each his own.
Though it is indeed a magnificent, enigmatic structure, I do not see in Scripture that God ever provided man with detailed instructions regarding how to build anything other than the tabernacle of Moses time. If the Great Pyramid were a temple to God, such would be recorded in Scripture.
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Though it is indeed a magnificent, enigmatic structure, I do not see in Scripture that God ever provided man with detailed instructions regarding how to build anything other than the tabernacle of Moses time. If the Great Pyramid were a temple to God, such would be recorded in Scripture.
Hardly anything that went on pre-flood was recorded in scripture, so I'm sure there's a lot of stuff they did back then that we don't know about. God said it was horrifically sinful, so I'm sure He probably didn't want to tell us much of what went on.

There is scripture about this.

Isaiah 19:19
"In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border."
(It's possible this pyramid could be the monolith that the Washington Monument is modelled after. It's in Egypt too. But from what I understand, this pillar is the same thing as the alter. Could be wrong, though.)

So, since there is an alter to God said to be in the middle of Egypt and a pillar on the border to the God, then I'd imagine it's there somewhere. The Great Pyramid just happens to be in the center, and the old border, and it just happens to embody the symbols of Christianity perfectly. The others are copies of the Great Pyramid, though, they haven't the same setup or design. I'd say it's pretty certain that this is the alter to the Lord spoken of by Isaiah, but I could be wrong. Who knows? Interesting stuff...

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Hardly anything that went on pre-flood was recorded in scripture, so I'm sure there's a lot of stuff they did back then that we don't know about. God said it was horrifically sinful, so I'm sure He probably didn't want to tell us much of what went on.

There is scripture about this.

Isaiah 19:19
"In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border."
(It's possible this pyramid could be the monolith that the Washington Monument is modelled after. It's in Egypt too. But from what I understand, this pillar is the same thing as the alter. Could be wrong, though.)

So, since there is an alter to God said to be in the middle of Egypt and a pillar on the border to the God, then I'd imagine it's there somewhere. The Great Pyramid just happens to be in the center, and the old border, and it just happens to embody the symbols of Christianity perfectly. The others are copies of the Great Pyramid, though, they haven't the same setup or design. I'd say it's pretty certain that this is the alter to the Lord spoken of by Isaiah, but I could be wrong. Who knows? Interesting stuff...
After careful reading of Isaiah 19, I agree with your assessment.
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Find it yourself, smartguy. I bet Wikipedia talks about it. Look up Egypt on Wikipedia.

You know, that's a good question. I haven't read that verse in ages. I'll have to see if I can find it again. Not sure where it is anymore...

Oh, found it:
Isaiah 19:19
"In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border."
(It's possible this pyramid could be the monolith that the Washington Monument is modelled after. It's in Egypt too. But from what I understand [and others understand it this way too for some reason], this pillar is the same thing as the alter. Could be wrong, though.)
I did check Wikipedia (and other places on the web), and there is no mention of Egypt splitting into 2 countries.

Since there never was 2 Egypts, your quote from the bible holds no water.
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I did check Wikipedia (and other places on the web), and there is no mention of Egypt splitting into 2 countries.

Since there never was 2 Egypts, your quote from the bible holds no water.
No, the verse from the Bible says there is an alter to the Lord in the middle of Egypt. That holds water just fine, because the Great Pyramid is in the middle of Egypt. The verse then goes on to say that there is a PILLAR to the Lord on the border of Egypt. What is that pillar? I don't know. I said SOME believe it is the same thing as the alter, but I'm not sure what it is. I said it COULD be the monolith, but I have no clue. The Great Pyramid is right where it's supposed to be and it is a temple to God. Plain and simple. The Bible's clear about that. What the pillar is, I don't know.

And yes, Egypt was split into two countries as one time. Whether it's the upper Egypt and Lower Egypt, I'm not sure. That was a split, though, and Giza is in the middle of that split. These people that state these things don't pull it out of thin air. Just because you can't find something in your research doesn't mean it's not true. Dig deeper.

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I'm a firm believer on the pyramids being built by aliens. There is a lot of "proof" of that fact.

It's really interesting. Specially if you see exactly how the pyramids are built, their relationship to mars, blah blah blah...

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1. If anyone took any time to study Egyptology, then you'd realize that the pyramids are not a product of aliens or god. People who read conspiracy websites and blogs are usually the people who think they are the product of aliens.

2. I hope the day BrianC is committed to an insane asylum, it makes the news. Fruitcake.
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1. If anyone took any time to study Egyptology, then you'd realize that the pyramids are not a product of aliens or god. People who read conspiracy websites and blogs are usually the people who think they are the product of aliens.

2. I hope the day BrianC is committed to an insane asylum, it makes the news. Fruitcake.

I read a lot. Watch video's, etc. The egyptians were way ahead of their time. All of the concepts on how they were built make a lot of sense. But there is still large amounts of evidence pointing that they had "help."

I'm not going to get into it. I have better things to do then argue with members on DFWstangs.

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Color me shocked that you didn't go into the "Pyramid Inch", or the "sacred Jewish inch", BrianC. Or would that have betrayed your source too soon?

Pyramidology.

It's a belief system that's only been around since the 1800's and subsequently proven wrong shortly there-after, but proponents are a resilient bunch, and the belief still persists to this day with a few televangelists, and the American Institute of Pyramidology.

The curvature "kicker" that you saved for last, actually can quite easily be seen. For serious. Go look at pretty much any picture of the pyramids, and you'll see quite plainly the variations in all the sides curves and angles. It's also been studied and measured, and found that it's not at all even on all sides. There is more curvature on the East and West facing sides, than on the North and South. And no, it does not "duplicate exactly the curvature of the earth." The curvature was likely deliberate however, otherwise the sheer mass of weight bearing down on the inner chambers would have caused them to collapse. The curvature is likely a result of "beefing" up the sides to support more weight from above, and keep it off the center where the chambers were. Oh, and it's convex, not concave.

The current height of the pyramid (sans cap), is 455.2 feet, or 5462.4 inches (a little more than your 5449 inches), however originally with the cap it was 480.9 feet, or 5770.8 inches (a good deal more than your 5449 inches).

There's also a lot of golden ratio phi stuff, which naturally leads to pi when you square it. The Greeks were big on pi, while the pre-hellenistic Egyptians were big on phi.

And you're also putting the start date early by almost 200 years. Your article has it starting construction around 2622BC (if you go back 4617 years from 1995, which is when the original broadcast was made on the Art Bell show). However, most, if not all the pyramids were built corresponding to the position of Usra Major and Ursa Minor at the time of the start of their construction. The axial deviation of the Earth can be calculated based on that knowledge, and that puts the start date at 2460-2470BC. Radiocarbon dating by the Edgar Cayce foundation puts it around 2500BC, but you don't like radiocarbon dating.

Then there's the whole idea that all these "facts" came from someone calling into the Art Bell show, hocking his book. I certainly wouldn't cite anything from Art Bell as being factual. He was awarded the Snuffed Candle by the Council for Media Integrity, for "encouraging credulity, presenting pseudoscience as genuine, and contributing to the public's lack of understanding of the methods of scientific inquiry." The CMI, by the way, is part of a group of skeptics that research paranormal and supernatural claims for evidence of sound scientific backing.

The actual caller... a John Zajac, in the link you gave claims he's both a physicist and an author, yet after numerous searches, I've found no evidence that this guy is a physicist. He's got books though, so definitely an author. Most of the claims made in the book are directly from, Charles Piazzi Smyth. A pyramidologist, naturally. He concluded that a "pyramid inch" must have been used in the construction of the great pyramid. What's a pyramid inch? 1.001 inches. Why 1.001 inches? Because it made his theories of divine guidance for the construction plausible. Makes the great pyramid a "timeline" of sorts, from creation, to the birth of Jesus... things fell apart though, in 1882 when it predicted the second coming that never hapened. And again in 1892 and a number of times through 1911. Earlier, in 1880, an egyptologist named Flinders Petrie (who was once a believer in Smyth's assertions) went back and made new measurements, finding many inaccuracies in Smyth's measurements. Enough so that he outright denounced pyramidology: "there is no authentic example, that will bear examination, of the use or existence of any such measure as a ‘Pyramid inch,’ or of a cubit of 25.025 British inches."

As for Sir Isaac Newton's trip to the pyramid... there's no discernible evidence that he ever went. There is a suggestion that he used measurements of the pyramid by John Greaves, but they were inaccurate and could not provide him with the exact length of an Egyptian cubit he thought he might need to measure the curvature of the earth. In 1671 a French astronomer, Jean Picard, came to an accurate measurment of 1 degree of longetude, and it's from that, that Newton was able to complete his theory of gravitation.

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BrianC is correct, before Egypt was united as country,it was 2 seperate countries. In 3150 BC, the pharoah Meni united upper Egypt and lower Egypt. After Meni, the formal title off all pharoah's was "ruler of upper and lower Egypt". That can be found in Wikipedia under "ancient egypt".

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Pyramidology.

It's a belief system that's only been around since the 1800's and subsequently proven wrong shortly there-after, but proponents are a resilient bunch, and the belief still persists to this day with a few televangelists, and the American Institute of Pyramidology.
Thank you. I've been busy and didn't have time to break down this obviously flawed post. I found that web site even before it was posted, saw....

This article was republished with permission by Art Bell. The article first appeared in Art Bell's newsletter, AFTER DARK Vol.1 No.2 February 1995 ~ DREAMLAND REPORT, which is availible by calling 1 800 917-4-ART, so start your subscription today. Subscription: $39.95 per year and well worth the investment. Visit Art Bell's home page for more information and an updated list of his syndicated Radio Show COAST TO COAST and DREAMLAND.

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The Pyramids were covered in Limestone (or some finished stone) but were later removed by the Arabs (Egyptians technically are not Arabs). Are the above calculations taken to the finished stone or the substructure that we see today?
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BrianC is correct, before Egypt was united as country,it was 2 seperate countries. In 3150 BC, the pharoah Meni united upper Egypt and lower Egypt. After Meni, the formal title off all pharoah's was "ruler of upper and lower Egypt". That can be found in Wikipedia under "ancient egypt".

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Yes, this uniting is what is considered the beginning of the "Early Dynastic Period " and what we refer to as Ancient Egypt. The Great Pyramid was build about 1,000 years after this union, by Fourth dynasty Egyptian pharaoh Khufu (Cheops). Also, the Great Pyramid is not built along the border of this union nor is it located in the center of Ancient Egypt.


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The Pyramids were covered in Limestone (or some finished stone) but were later removed by the Arabs (Egyptians technically are not Arabs). Are the above calculations taken to the finished stone or the substructure that we see today?
All measurements are from what we can see today (from the mid-late 1800's when the first measurments were taken, through modern day, though these 'facts' are from the original measurments made by Smyth, as they are less than the more accurate measurments made by Petrie, which is what lead Petrie to debunk pyramidology in the first place).

There are some finishing stones still in place, and some effort has gone into attempting to extrapolate original measurements from those, but because the sides are not flat, nor are the actually identical, getting precise original measurments is quite difficult.

However, original measurments would debunk these 'facts' even further, as the measurments would by default be larger. Maybe not height, but definitely area, and width of the base, etc.

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Yes, this uniting is what is considered the beginning of the "Early Dynastic Period " and what we refer to as Ancient Egypt. The Great Pyramid was build about 1,000 years after this union, by Fourth dynasty Egyptian pharaoh Khufu (Cheops). Also, the Great Pyramid is not built along the border of this union nor is it located in the center of Ancient Egypt.

Thanks for that I wasn't sure if upper and lower egypt were actually considered two individual countries, though that would make sense.

However, the location of the Giza plateau, I can't believe I missed that in the OP.

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Color me shocked that you didn't go into the "Pyramid Inch", or the "sacred Jewish inch", BrianC. Or would that have betrayed your source too soon?

Pyramidology.

It's a belief system that's only been around since the 1800's and subsequently proven wrong shortly there-after, but proponents are a resilient bunch, and the belief still persists to this day with a few televangelists, and the American Institute of Pyramidology.

The curvature "kicker" that you saved for last, actually can quite easily be seen. For serious. Go look at pretty much any picture of the pyramids, and you'll see quite plainly the variations in all the sides curves and angles. It's also been studied and measured, and found that it's not at all even on all sides. There is more curvature on the East and West facing sides, than on the North and South. And no, it does not "duplicate exactly the curvature of the earth." The curvature was likely deliberate however, otherwise the sheer mass of weight bearing down on the inner chambers would have caused them to collapse. The curvature is likely a result of "beefing" up the sides to support more weight from above, and keep it off the center where the chambers were. Oh, and it's convex, not concave.

The current height of the pyramid (sans cap), is 455.2 feet, or 5462.4 inches (a little more than your 5449 inches), however originally with the cap it was 480.9 feet, or 5770.8 inches (a good deal more than your 5449 inches).

There's also a lot of golden ratio phi stuff, which naturally leads to pi when you square it. The Greeks were big on pi, while the pre-hellenistic Egyptians were big on phi.

And you're also putting the start date early by almost 200 years. Your article has it starting construction around 2622BC (if you go back 4617 years from 1995, which is when the original broadcast was made on the Art Bell show). However, most, if not all the pyramids were built corresponding to the position of Usra Major and Ursa Minor at the time of the start of their construction. The axial deviation of the Earth can be calculated based on that knowledge, and that puts the start date at 2460-2470BC. Radiocarbon dating by the Edgar Cayce foundation puts it around 2500BC, but you don't like radiocarbon dating.

Then there's the whole idea that all these "facts" came from someone calling into the Art Bell show, hocking his book. I certainly wouldn't cite anything from Art Bell as being factual. He was awarded the Snuffed Candle by the Council for Media Integrity, for "encouraging credulity, presenting pseudoscience as genuine, and contributing to the public's lack of understanding of the methods of scientific inquiry." The CMI, by the way, is part of a group of skeptics that research paranormal and supernatural claims for evidence of sound scientific backing.

The actual caller... a John Zajac, in the link you gave claims he's both a physicist and an author, yet after numerous searches, I've found no evidence that this guy is a physicist. He's got books though, so definitely an author. Most of the claims made in the book are directly from, Charles Piazzi Smyth. A pyramidologist, naturally. He concluded that a "pyramid inch" must have been used in the construction of the great pyramid. What's a pyramid inch? 1.001 inches. Why 1.001 inches? Because it made his theories of divine guidance for the construction plausible. Makes the great pyramid a "timeline" of sorts, from creation, to the birth of Jesus... things fell apart though, in 1882 when it predicted the second coming that never hapened. And again in 1892 and a number of times through 1911. Earlier, in 1880, an egyptologist named Flinders Petrie (who was once a believer in Smyth's assertions) went back and made new measurements, finding many inaccuracies in Smyth's measurements. Enough so that he outright denounced pyramidology: "there is no authentic example, that will bear examination, of the use or existence of any such measure as a ‘Pyramid inch,’ or of a cubit of 25.025 British inches."

As for Sir Isaac Newton's trip to the pyramid... there's no discernible evidence that he ever went. There is a suggestion that he used measurements of the pyramid by John Greaves, but they were inaccurate and could not provide him with the exact length of an Egyptian cubit he thought he might need to measure the curvature of the earth. In 1671 a French astronomer, Jean Picard, came to an accurate measurment of 1 degree of longetude, and it's from that, that Newton was able to complete his theory of gravitation.
That's good to know. I appreciate it. I just thought this stuff was interesting. Posted it up to see what people had to say about it. I've never researched this stuff. Just saw the website and thought it was interesting.

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That's good to know. I appreciate it. I just thought this stuff was interesting. Posted it up to see what people had to say about it. I've never researched this stuff. Just saw the website and thought it was interesting.
And yet you willingly posted it as "proof" of God's existence?

Why am I not surprised? Oh yeah, because that's your modus operandi.

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I am all for defending the truth of God and the bible but I don't think that the pyramids are the place to take our arguments.

The pyramid design evolved from mustabas, burial places for Egyptian kings.
Over time the mustabas were stacked, and then finally the pyramid shaped came from this. The shape also stems from the Egyptian creation story where a rough pyramid-shaped mound of dirt (ben-ben) was left over after worldwide flood.

The pyramids didn't just fall out of the sky, there was much trial and error in refining the design. The first appearance of the flat sided pyramid by 4th dynasty king Sneferu went through 2 failures (in the Bent and Meidum pyramids) before a successful pitch was achieved in the Red pyramid at Dashur, Egypt.

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I am all for defending the truth of God and the bible but I don't think that the pyramids are the place to take our arguments.

The pyramid design evolved from mustabas, burial places for Egyptian kings.
Over time the mustabas were stacked, and then finally the pyramid shaped came from this. The shape also stems from the Egyptian creation story where a rough pyramid-shaped mound of dirt (ben-ben) was left over after worldwide flood.

The pyramids didn't just fall out of the sky, there was much trial and error in refining the design. The first appearance of the flat sided pyramid by 4th dynasty king Sneferu went through 2 failures (in the Bent and Meidum pyramids) before a successful pitch was achieved in the Red pyramid at Dashur, Egypt.

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All correct, the Pyramids didn't come about because of aliens or divine intervention. Knowledge,experience, money and tremendous man power were leveraged to create them.

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It also raises questions why God would supernaturally gift the Egyptian kings with architecture devoted solely to glorify themselves and their pagan afterlife beliefs.
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