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Existence of the Spiritual World

We see movies about "alternate dimensions," but does anyone really believe there's a parallel dimension out there? Or, would some believe that heaven is another dimension that has some interaction with this realm?

Here, I'll show that people who have Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) prove the existence of a spirit world (aka - heaven, and all that's included in that realm).

First, if you want to see the first hand experience of a guy who worked with multiples online for 4 years, read the book The Shining Man with Hurt Hands by Ellis H. Skolfield. He stumbles upon the fact that the multiples all see the same things in their inner world, and proves that it is the spiritual world spoken of in the Bible. If you want more proof after the book, ask me and I will send you some of my chat logs of my sessions with multiples.

People who are multiple have had their mind split due to abuse before the age of 4. The we have a mind, body and spirit. The mind links the body and spirit. The body is in the physical world, our spirit man is in the spiritual world. When a person is abused at such a young age, it's too much for the mind to handle, so the mind flees to the spirit man in the spirit world to escape. But the mind MUST split and send a piece of itself out to control the body or the body would die. This is how a split occurs. It can occur hundreds of times through out life and therefore cause hundreds of different personalities.

Multiples all see the same things in this spiritual world their personalities live in. This spiritual world has mountains, valleys, forests, lakes, etc., but no industrialization. They build houses there or other structures sometimes. But all of them see the same things: angels, demons, Jesus, false Jesuses, and the water of life.

Some multiples (like one in the book The Shining Man) have never heard of an angel, demon, Jesus or the water of life. So, when they see angels, they call them "shining ones." Demons they call "dark ones." Jesus they call, "The shining man with hurt hands."

They see different types of angels. Angels have either 2, 4 or 6 wings. 2 wings are messenger angels, 4 wings are warrior angels (which are large and have swords of fire), and 6 wings are healing angels. All mulutiples see these three types of angels, yet the Bible doesn't really talk about ANY of these angels or the fact that angels have two, four or six wings (once, a seraphim is spoken of having six wings in the Bible).

The water of life kills demons and purges evil from alters (alternate personalities) on the inside. It burns it out of them. Causes them some pain at first, but they feel great afterwords. Multiples don't know that the water of life does this, yet without prompting or any foreknowledge, the multiples see the water of life kill demons and purge evil and demons from alters. Did every multiple in the world get together and say, "Here's the scam we're going to pull..."? lol

Also, they see false Jesuses. And false Jesuses and demons cannot say, "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." The Bible says that's how you test evil spirits. Sure enough, demons will try to fool you by saying "Jesus Christ HAS come in the flesh," but they cannot say, "Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh." The Bible is correct about this apparently (King James Version is the only one that translates this verse correctly, 1 John 4:1-3).

So, how do you explain this except to say there must be a spirit world?

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Wassup Brian!

I must be lucky. I've never had anything move on its own in my house, never had been posessed (or reposessed for that matter.) I've never seen a demon or an angel.

But I am a 6th level cleric with powers of levitation.




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Hey Brian here is a question that might solidify the spiritual world debate some. Do multiples from other cultures and traditions see the same things as say, the ones in America would? one would think it would be exactly the same since really, they are in the same realm where this is taking place.

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Wassup Brian!

I must be lucky. I've never had anything move on its own in my house, never had been posessed (or reposessed for that matter.) I've never seen a demon or an angel.

But I am a 6th level cleric with powers of levitation.

just fing with ya! You do provide an interesting read.
Murphy, you also provide an interesting read, my friend. But you should try getting repossessed sometime. It's quite interesting indeed...

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Hey Brian here is a question that might solidify the spiritual world debate some. Do multiples from other cultures and traditions see the same things as say, the ones in America would? one would think it would be exactly the same since really, they are in the same realm where this is taking place.
Yeah, didn't you see where I talked about the Japanese woman? Oh, did I not say that she was from Japan?

Yeah, a woman from Africa was the same way. All people from all cultures, whether they know of Jesus, angels and demons or not always see them in the spiritual world.

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Hey Brian here is a question that might solidify the spiritual world debate some. Do multiples from other cultures and traditions see the same things as say, the ones in America would? one would think it would be exactly the same since really, they are in the same realm where this is taking place.
The Daoist group has spiritual advisors called a "Wu". I wonder what there spiritual realm has to say about a man from the middle east.
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So where do ghost fit into your understanding of the spirit world? There are a whole lot of stories of people seeing, feeling, and/or communicating with ghosts. What do you make of most of these stories?

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There are a whole lot of stories of people seeing, feeling, and/or communicating with ghosts. What do you make of most of these stories?
I used to do it all the time...and it's all deception.

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The Daoist group has spiritual advisors called a "Wu". I wonder what there spiritual realm has to say about a man from the middle east.
Everyone, no matter where they are from, will see angels, demons, Jesus and false Jesuses. However, they will also see demons posing as gods such as Mother Earth.

I've run into the Mother Earth spirit a couple of times in the spiritual world while helping multiples. It was great. I literally owned Mother Earth. hahahaha

This alter (alternate personality) was a Satanist, and would see Mother Earth and other spirits... So he says he's going to go ask Mother Earth about something. I say, "Ask Mother Earth to say, 'Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.'" He comes back and says, "She said, 'Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.'" I said, "That's not what I asked her to say. She's trying to trick you. Go back and tell her to say, "Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh." He went back. I prayed and ask Jesus to make her tell the truth this time. He goes back and she says, "I am not worthy to say that." (because demons cannot say "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" according to 1 John 4:1-3...it's the test we're supposed to use on them). She tells the alter that Jesus Christ will deliver him into the hands of truth. Sure enough, a few days later that alter accepted Jesus and was saved.

You will see these demons posing as spirits in the spiritual world while working with multiples, but you can always expose them for who they really are, and you can always have the alters put the water of life on them and it kills them. It's interesting.

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So where do ghost fit into your understanding of the spirit world? There are a whole lot of stories of people seeing, feeling, and/or communicating with ghosts. What do you make of most of these stories?
Ghosts are just demons posing as dead people to distract people from God, more or less. Nothing special. You can cast out a ghost just like a demon because they are demons.

Psychics that supposedly tell the future or speak to the dead are simply speaking to demons. The reason psychics are sometimes right about the future and sometimes wrong is because the demons are very good at predicting what the future may hold, but cannot actually see the future. In the Bible, God says He is the ONLY one that can see the future. But demons ALWAYS know the past and know things about dead relatives that only they knew or only certain people knew. Demons hang around, they watch you, they know everything that goes on if they see it and they have a perfect memory.

Psychics don't know it, but they're communicating with demons. Some may know it, but most don't. I know a girl that used to have this ability due to demons. She doesn't anymore because she renounced it and I cast out the demons that were doing that for her. She's a multiple who at one time was forced into Satanism for a few years by people posing as Christians. She's a Christian now, though.

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What's cool about working with multiples is that no matter what false god or demon you come across, you can command them to do anything in Jesus' name. Period. His name is the ultimate authority. You can only use it, to my knowledge, if you're actually saved, though. I've found that alters that try to use it that are not saved, it doesn't work. Alters that are not saved and pray for things don't have their prayers answered either. All of my prayers are answered in the spiritual world of the alters unless it's in impossibility, or if it's not God's will. God says He answers our prayers according to His will. Most of the time, I know His will for these alters. Sometimes I don't, so I pray a few different things till I hit the right thing to pray for and it happens.

I don't recommend anyone working with multiples in this capacity, though. You will be opened up to spiritual attacks and if you don't know how to handle that stuff, you'll get yourself and your family into a world of hurt. I've heard some bad stories in the past from that type of thing. One lady helped multiples for years, but she didn't realize she needed to guard herself. What happened is she ended up getting all of these different demons because she let them in, somehow, and she didn't know how to tap into Jesus' protection from curses and demonic attacks, etc... She ended up getting some horrible disease that was not common in her family and there was no explanation for it. Over the years it got so bad that she could not function on her own. It's never good to get into this stuff unless God has prepared you for spiritual warfare up front. So, I don't suggest exploring this on your own. If you want proof, just read The Shining Man with Hurt Hands and then ask me for my chat logs to confirm this stuff. It's a learning experience and it really helps you put a few things in the Bible and the spiritual world into perspective. Cool stuff.

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So where do ghost fit into your understanding of the spirit world? There are a whole lot of stories of people seeing, feeling, and/or communicating with ghosts. What do you make of most of these stories?
Look for these commercials on TV that have been airing lately for a new show on cable (don't remember the channel) called Paranormal State. It's about college students at Penn State that decided to start investigating ghosts or supernatural disturbances at people's houses around that area. They do quite a bit of investigating. They prove the existence of a ghost on the commercial, actually.

This little boy's family moves into a home. Right after they move in, the little boy starts talking about this boy he plays with named Timmy. It sounds like more than an imaginary friend. So, he knows the boy's full name, if I remember right, and they show him a big family picture and he picks out the boy in the picture. Turns out, this boy Timmy was the son of the last owners of the house and he died near the house. They find his body either right before these people move in, or right after the discovery of this ghost. No one told them about the last family or their dead son, so there's no way they or their child could know about this dead boy. Interesting. That's a proveable, documented case I'd say. But, it's just a demon that hung around with this boy before he died and mimiced him. That's all...

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