Originally Posted by FSON
To play the devils' advocate, how does the presence of some others force on another person give proof of a god?
Don't think the presence of others was the point. I think it was that some people had information which they could not have known unless there were a spiritual world at play. Does that make sense?
For instance, I didn't know a little satanic girl alter was casting a spell on me, yet I heard a little girl's voice casting the spell. I was not aware of this Satanic tongue at the time, yet when I heard it, I immediately knew it was Satanic. I began to shake uncontrollably with no prompting from anyone and I have never read or seen anything about this type of spiritual attack before. I found out later that a little girl alter had cast this spell on me, but did not tell the multiple that I'd heard a little girl's voice. My wife, with no knowledge of anything like this going on, saw a demon and knew something was going to happen, but had no idea what it was.
You have three people here that all have information by supernatural means with they could not have gotten otherwise. And all of their stories confirm it.
This doesn't give proof of a god. It gives proof of a supernatural spiritual world at play behind the scenes. You've seen movies about alternate dimensions? Well, heaven (or the spiritual world and all that its comprised of) is that alternate dimension.
For instance, multiples have lots of different personalities. These personalities live in a world in which they can see each other and they all look different. The world looks like our world, but with no buildings or industrialization. Just maybe a house they've build, mountains, forests, oceans, lakes, ponds, valleys, etc. They all see the same things in this world: angels, demons, Jesus and false Jesuses, and the water of life. They all see these things, yet some of them have never heard of Jesus, angels or demons before.
The book "The Shining Man with Hurt Hands" by Ellis H. Skolfield shows actual chat logs with multiples that are unaltered that show exactly what they see inside without prompting from anyone. And the last half of the book is about a Japanese lady who has never heard of Jesus or angels or demons before. She's a Buddhist. Yet, with no prompting whatsoever, she has seen demons inside before meeting the author online for therapy, and while in therapy, Jesus Himself comes in and deals with some of her alters (alternate personalities, which are just like separate people in this inside world). With no knowledge of what the water of life does (the Bible doesn't tell), this woman sees it kill demons and purge evil from her alters.
This woman sees angels, and with no prompting or foreknowledge, says that they have either two, four or six wings. The Bible only talks about one angel having six wings called a Saraphim. Some angels in the Bible are talked about, but their number of wings is not mentioned. EVERY multiple I've done therapy with has said that they see the exact same types of angels, whether they know what an angel is or not. They say that the smaller ones have two wings. The very large ones have four wings and swords that are on fire, and the shortest/smallest of the bunch have six wings. So those are messenger, warrior and healing angels, in that order. And all of these multiples say they see them. If they don't know what these things are, they call angels "shining ones," demons "dark ones," and Jesus, "The shining man with hurt hands."
Now, if you take into consideration that ALL multiples, regardless of what knowledge they have or don't have of Jesus, angels and demons, see these things without prompting on their inside world, it proves that all multiples are in the same place: the spiritual world. They don't see other multiples there, except in VERY RARE occasion. I have many chat logs to prove that everything in The Shining Man is accurate, and many multiple friends who can attest to it as well.
Yes, there is a spiritual world. Read that book if you want proof for yourself, and afterwords, you're welcome to ask me for some chat logs to back-up what the book says. I've taken it much further than the author of the book and done things he didn't even realize you could do. Very cool stuff. This is going to sound like an arrogant statement, but it's not meant that way. I know more about multiplicity and understand it far better than 99.999999% of therapists in the world. The medical community will attest to that one, because they say it is the least understood of any condition. And yet, I get results and I can have a multiple fully integrated and normal in a matter of months or just a few years. The medical community gives multiples anywhere from 5-15 years life expectancy from the day they start therapy. This is because most multiples see that the therapist doesn't know what they're doing and can't help them, so they end up killing themselves instead due to lack of hope. Pretty messed up.
My point is to prove the existence of a spiritual world. At that point, you must start contemplating a god of some sort...