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I'm working with a person who has multiple personality disorder one day. She has 109 personalities. Some of her alters (alternate personalities) are Satanists (who do not like me, a Christian), because she was raised in a family of Satanists.

So, one night I go to bed, and my wife is sitting there with the light on in the bedroom (very out of character for her). I laid down and went to sleep. Just as I drifted off to sleep, I heard this little girl's voice chanting in a satanic language (which I've never heard before) and my entire body starts to shake. My wife sees me shaking and grabs me to wake me up. As I wake up, my legs and arms raise up off the bed and I come out of it.

My wife said, "I knew something was going to happen. That's why I left the light on." I asked how she knew something was going to happen. She said earlier that night when she came into the bedroom, she saw a demon sitting in the corner of the room. Not sure if she prayed for God to remove the demon or what, but she wanted to keep the light on afterwords. That's when she tells me for the first time that she can see demons (but only when necessary, as if God turns it on and off when needed).

Apparently, ever since she was possessed by a demon for three days when she was 5, she's been able to see demons. For instance, she said one time she walked into a Charismatic church and saw demons everywhere. I have another friend with the same ability and similar story.

The day after I was spiritually attacked, I go back to the multiple and revealed nothing except that I was attacked spiritually. I asked who did it. They said that a 9 year old child alter had cast the spell on me. I didn't tell them it was a little girl's voice I heard. They (the other alters) just knew who cast the spell and that it was a little girl alter, which confirmed that this was not something I just imagined.

Anyone care to explain that one away?

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Is this a joke?
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Is this a joke?
No, I'm dead serious. This happened a few months ago exactly as I described it. Why would you think it's a joke?

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The explanation is that you're nuts. That's OK though because we're all off a little bit in some form or fashion...
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The explanation is that you're nuts. That's OK though because we're all off a little bit in some form or fashion...
So, I suppose the multiple who's alter cast a spell on me is nuts also? And my wife is also nuts? It's not just me...

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What denomination are you?
No denomination. Just Christian. And no denomination is responsible for my beliefs, either. I study for myself.

I learned a lot about spiritual warfare this year and working with multiples.

I will say, though, when I was 19, there was a girl who was anorexic and it was demon possession or oppression. Not sure which. She blamed herself for her boyfriend's death (but she had nothing to do with it). So, over two years, she drank, smoked, did drugs and became anorexic (all self-destructive behaviors). Basically, she hated herself and didn't realize it, and was abusing herself as a result.

Right before this, I had learned the very basics of casting out a demon. I knew immediately that this girl was possessed or oppressed. I'd known her a couple of years before this and she looked up to me like a big brother.

Anyway, so, I tell her she needs to have this demon cast out and she should pray for God to cast it out of her. She's pretty sure I'm correct, but doesn't know what to do.

So, I email her late at night before I got to bed, and she's already asleep (note the order of events). She wakes up the next morning and says she feels completely different, as if she's gained weight overnight (in the morning is when you weigh the least, actually), and she has no desire to drink, smoke or do drugs. She weighs herself and she's gained 3 pounds. She checks her e-mail and sees what I told her I was going to do the night before all this happened.

I told her I would go to bed and command out this demon in Jesus' name before I went to bed (now, what's weird, is usually, demons must hear you...but I guess God carried my voice to them, because you are commanding them...not sure). Anyway, before, she weighed 87 pounds and was 5'7" tall. In two weeks, she gained 40 pounds and stayed at 127 pounds continuously, without changing any eating habits. Not even sure if it's humanly possible to gain 40 pounds in two weeks, but she did.

Her parents contacted me 6 months later and thanked me for giving them their girl back, and I said, "Jesus did that, not me." They said she did a complete 180...no addictions anymore, no anorexia, and she found a Christian boyfriend she now went to church with and she was in college now, doing really well.

How do you explain things like that? It cannot be the placebo effect, because she didn't know I had cast that demon out when she first noticed the differences she felt upon waking that morning. She was in despair the night before.

Athsma is now officially said to be caused by fear, alone, and no other medical condition. The Bible says fear is a demon. So, this one girl I know of had this demon of fear and she had athsma and couldn't even take deep breaths. Didn't know what it was like, actually. One day, she renounces that demon and casts it out. Immediately she took in a huge deep breath of air and never again had athsma or an athsma attack.

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What's a Satanic language? I thought latin was used both by good and evil? I think that you're going to lose credibility with the other christians on here with this post.
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There are demonic languages, just as there are angelic or holy ones. What he is saying is not un-biblical at all. In fact Jesus Himself said, "and greater things than these shall you do"

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There are demonic languages, just as there are angelic or holy ones. What he is saying is not un-biblical at all. In fact Jesus Himself said, "and greater things than these shall you do"
How can he tell the difference? I'm sorry, but when I hear crazies speak in tongues, it sounds pretty evil to me. La ma sha blah blah blah lakka lakka shamala.
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How can he tell the difference? I'm sorry, but when I hear crazies speak in tongues, it sounds pretty evil to me. La ma sha blah blah blah lakka lakka shamala.
I have heard people speak in tongues before. This was very different than tongues. In fact, sometimes people will have spirits that are speaking something other than tongues, and the people don't realize it. I think a lot of penticostal churches unknowingly have people speaking in this fake tongues. You can test evil spirits according to 1 John 4:1-3 (must use the KJV translation for the only accurate translation on this verse...won't explain why). I've used it many times and it works everytime. It basically says that a demon cannot say, "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." So, you test the spirits by commanding them to say that. If they say it, they're not a demon. If they can't say it, you know they're a demon. Pretty simple.

Most Christians never get into the spiritual warfare side of things. So I wouldn't expect them to have experience with this or really understand it. But I wouldn't lose credibility with them. Many Christians have heard or seen the effects of demons or demon possession. It's nothing new. It's just that most haven't experienced it first hand or dealt with it directly.

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How can he tell the difference? I'm sorry, but when I hear crazies speak in tongues, it sounds pretty evil to me. La ma sha blah blah blah lakka lakka shamala.
Look up Satanism online and dark tongues or satanic tongues, etc. You'll find it I'm sure. I haven't tried to look it up, but I'm sure you can find it out there. Again, it's nothing new... been around for like 6,000 years now. lol

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Look up Satanism online and dark tongues or satanic tongues, etc. You'll find it I'm sure. I haven't tried to look it up, but I'm sure you can find it out there. Again, it's nothing new... been around for like 6,000 years now. lol
You can find anything on the internet.
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Yeah, but you can find a lot of crap on the internet too.

I'm certain my friend with multiple personality disorder who grew up in an entire family of Satanists knows what she's talking about when she speaks of the Satanic tongue.

Oh, I almost forgot. Heck, you can go look up the Satanic Bible and find the Satanic tongue spoken of in there. That'd be the best way to find it.

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To play the devils' advocate, how does the presence of some others force on another person give proof of a god?
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To play the devils' advocate, how does the presence of some others force on another person give proof of a god?
Don't think the presence of others was the point. I think it was that some people had information which they could not have known unless there were a spiritual world at play. Does that make sense?

For instance, I didn't know a little satanic girl alter was casting a spell on me, yet I heard a little girl's voice casting the spell. I was not aware of this Satanic tongue at the time, yet when I heard it, I immediately knew it was Satanic. I began to shake uncontrollably with no prompting from anyone and I have never read or seen anything about this type of spiritual attack before. I found out later that a little girl alter had cast this spell on me, but did not tell the multiple that I'd heard a little girl's voice. My wife, with no knowledge of anything like this going on, saw a demon and knew something was going to happen, but had no idea what it was.

You have three people here that all have information by supernatural means with they could not have gotten otherwise. And all of their stories confirm it.

This doesn't give proof of a god. It gives proof of a supernatural spiritual world at play behind the scenes. You've seen movies about alternate dimensions? Well, heaven (or the spiritual world and all that its comprised of) is that alternate dimension.

For instance, multiples have lots of different personalities. These personalities live in a world in which they can see each other and they all look different. The world looks like our world, but with no buildings or industrialization. Just maybe a house they've build, mountains, forests, oceans, lakes, ponds, valleys, etc. They all see the same things in this world: angels, demons, Jesus and false Jesuses, and the water of life. They all see these things, yet some of them have never heard of Jesus, angels or demons before.

The book "The Shining Man with Hurt Hands" by Ellis H. Skolfield shows actual chat logs with multiples that are unaltered that show exactly what they see inside without prompting from anyone. And the last half of the book is about a Japanese lady who has never heard of Jesus or angels or demons before. She's a Buddhist. Yet, with no prompting whatsoever, she has seen demons inside before meeting the author online for therapy, and while in therapy, Jesus Himself comes in and deals with some of her alters (alternate personalities, which are just like separate people in this inside world). With no knowledge of what the water of life does (the Bible doesn't tell), this woman sees it kill demons and purge evil from her alters.

This woman sees angels, and with no prompting or foreknowledge, says that they have either two, four or six wings. The Bible only talks about one angel having six wings called a Saraphim. Some angels in the Bible are talked about, but their number of wings is not mentioned. EVERY multiple I've done therapy with has said that they see the exact same types of angels, whether they know what an angel is or not. They say that the smaller ones have two wings. The very large ones have four wings and swords that are on fire, and the shortest/smallest of the bunch have six wings. So those are messenger, warrior and healing angels, in that order. And all of these multiples say they see them. If they don't know what these things are, they call angels "shining ones," demons "dark ones," and Jesus, "The shining man with hurt hands."

Now, if you take into consideration that ALL multiples, regardless of what knowledge they have or don't have of Jesus, angels and demons, see these things without prompting on their inside world, it proves that all multiples are in the same place: the spiritual world. They don't see other multiples there, except in VERY RARE occasion. I have many chat logs to prove that everything in The Shining Man is accurate, and many multiple friends who can attest to it as well.

Yes, there is a spiritual world. Read that book if you want proof for yourself, and afterwords, you're welcome to ask me for some chat logs to back-up what the book says. I've taken it much further than the author of the book and done things he didn't even realize you could do. Very cool stuff. This is going to sound like an arrogant statement, but it's not meant that way. I know more about multiplicity and understand it far better than 99.999999% of therapists in the world. The medical community will attest to that one, because they say it is the least understood of any condition. And yet, I get results and I can have a multiple fully integrated and normal in a matter of months or just a few years. The medical community gives multiples anywhere from 5-15 years life expectancy from the day they start therapy. This is because most multiples see that the therapist doesn't know what they're doing and can't help them, so they end up killing themselves instead due to lack of hope. Pretty messed up.

My point is to prove the existence of a spiritual world. At that point, you must start contemplating a god of some sort...

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What's a Satanic language? I thought latin was used both by good and evil? I think that you're going to lose credibility with the other christians on here with this post.
I think aramaic would be more accurate, but the gist is the same

I don't think it's going to be just christians he loses any credibility with...

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Surely she has a well documented psychiatric history, what with so many personalities. I'm pretty sure there's never been a case reaching even half that number.

And yet, oddly, I can't seem to pull up any information on this anomaly.

What's her name? I'm curious to learn more about her. Obviously looking up actual documented cases isn't getting anywhere (because there are no documented cases of anyone with 109 personalities. Past, or present.), so to find out more I'll need her name.

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I think aramaic would be more accurate, but the gist is the same

I don't think it's going to be just christians he loses any credibility with...



Surely she has a well documented psychiatric history, what with so many personalities. I'm pretty sure there's never been a case reaching even half that number.

And yet, oddly, I can't seem to pull up any information on this anomaly.

What's her name? I'm curious to learn more about her. Obviously looking up actual documented cases isn't getting anywhere (because there are no documented cases of anyone with 109 personalities. Past, or present.), so to find out more I'll need her name.
You obviously haven't a clue how the psychiatric field world and how multiples work either.

There are documented cases of people with over 2,000 different personalities. You're just inept at using the internet if you can't find documentation on this.

And as for your knowledge of the psychiatric field, patient files are locked away so that no one can read them. There's a big process that must be gone through to get permission to reveal patient history in documented cases. Therapists don't just go around airing everyone's dirty laundry for the world to see. Nice job showing your complete ignorance about MPD and the psychiatric field. Your opinion and knowledge is apparently valued highly in cases such as this.

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Surely she has a well documented psychiatric history, what with so many personalities. I'm pretty sure there's never been a case reaching even half that number.

And yet, oddly, I can't seem to pull up any information on this anomaly.
And if you want some cases cited of people with 350 to 2,000 plus personalities, just check out the book The Shining Man with Hurt Hands by Ellis H. Skolfield. He mentions a few in there. You can read the book for free at:

www.fish-house.com/pdf/ShiningMan.pdf

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My point is to prove the existence of a spiritual world. At that point, you must start contemplating a god of some sort...
OK, but why?
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That comment single handedly changed my whole philosophy....

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Humanity's perception of the world is limited to the five senses. For some that's enough, and they choose to believe that's all there is. It does make life simpler to adopt a such a myopic view of creation I suppose, but to each their own.
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Athsma is now officially said to be caused by fear, alone, and no other medical condition.
Huh? By what organization? Certianly not any practicing medical doctors?

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You obviously haven't a clue how the psychiatric field world and how multiples work either.

There are documented cases of people with over 2,000 different personalities.
Yeah... um, no.

Link it if you got it. Show us your mad skillz.

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I'm working with a person who has multiple personality disorder one day. She has 109 personalities. Some of her alters (alternate personalities) are Satanists (who do not like me, a Christian), because she was raised in a family of Satanists.

So, one night I go to bed, and my wife is sitting there with the light on in the bedroom (very out of character for her). I laid down and went to sleep. Just as I drifted off to sleep, I heard this little girl's voice chanting in a satanic language (which I've never heard before) and my entire body starts to shake. My wife sees me shaking and grabs me to wake me up. As I wake up, my legs and arms raise up off the bed and I come out of it.

My wife said, "I knew something was going to happen. That's why I left the light on." I asked how she knew something was going to happen. She said earlier that night when she came into the bedroom, she saw a demon sitting in the corner of the room. Not sure if she prayed for God to remove the demon or what, but she wanted to keep the light on afterwords. That's when she tells me for the first time that she can see demons (but only when necessary, as if God turns it on and off when needed).

Apparently, ever since she was possessed by a demon for three days when she was 5, she's been able to see demons. For instance, she said one time she walked into a Charismatic church and saw demons everywhere. I have another friend with the same ability and similar story.

The day after I was spiritually attacked, I go back to the multiple and revealed nothing except that I was attacked spiritually. I asked who did it. They said that a 9 year old child alter had cast the spell on me. I didn't tell them it was a little girl's voice I heard. They (the other alters) just knew who cast the spell and that it was a little girl alter, which confirmed that this was not something I just imagined.

Anyone care to explain that one away?
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My point, exactly.
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Because many people here are atheist, and do not believe there's such a thing as a spiritual world at all, and especially not a God. Proof of a spiritual world makes one have to consider a God.

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Huh? By what organization? Certianly not any practicing medical doctors?
No, I'm talking about the entire medical community now officially says that they can find NO physical cause for athsma, and that the only common factor in EVERY athsma patient is fear.

I think I said this before, but a girl who has always had athsma renounced the spirit of fear one day while I was helping her, and as soon as that happened, she suddenly could breathe normally for the first time in her life. She said she'd never been able to take a full, deep breath before in her life...only shallow breaths. Fear is a spirit, according to the Bible, and I have cast him out many times. The multiples I've cast him out of have watched him go into the water of life inside and sit there and be tortured in the water of life, but not die. Yet as soon as they renounced him, he explodes and is gone. He'll show up a day or two later again in the system because the multiple fears something again, which gives him grounds to come right back. The act of fearing welcomes him right back in. Pretty weird... I've cast out demons only to see them come right back 15 minutes later due to the multiple not renouncing the sin that let that demon in. Weird stuff...

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Yeah... um, no.

Link it if you got it. Show us your mad skillz.

And no, not "the shining man". I want documented medical cases, in actual medical journals.
Oh yea of little faith...

Here's a quote from a lady that wrote on the subject of memory recovery and MPD:
Many fathers, stepfathers, and uncles were subsequently accused and some were convicted. People turned up dozens, hundreds, even a thousand alters, some of which weren’t even human, as documented by Joan Acocella in a 1998 New Yorker piece. And it wasn’t just run-of-the-mill abuse they were reporting, but organized satanic ritual abuse.

Here's the link:
http://lifeloom.com/III1Ramsland.htm

I didn't read much of it. Just wanted to point out that she references how people have come up with over a thousand personalities...

Here's another quote from a different write-up:
Actually, in both these respects, Sybil's descendants soon out-stripped her. Patients were eventually producing a hundred, four hundred, a thousand alters. (A case with forty-five hundred was recently reported.)

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/a...-hysteria.html

Just do a search like I did in Google to find this stuff. Use these search terms:
MPD thousand alters

You'll come up with a bunch of matches.

What happens is that a child will get abused either sexually, physically, emotionally or satanically before the age of four. Their mind can't handle it, and the mind flees into the spiritual world where the child's spirit person exists. But the mind splits and keeps that piece in the body to control everything and take the abuse. Everytime the person is abused or even perceives abuse, they will split. If a multiple thinks that losing a friend is abuse, they'll split (I've caused a lady to split once because she thought me having to not talk to her anymore was abuse and she couldn't handle it). A multiple can perceive all kinds of things as abuse once they split the first time. And for the rest of their life, they will be able to split when they perceive abuse. That's how people can split thousands of times. If a father abuses a daughter 2,000 times while she's growing up over 18+ years, then she will very likely have over 2,000 alters. Sometimes, the multiples will send the same alter out over and over again to take the abuse. Sometimes the alter that's sent out will split while taking the abuse.

Satanists are taught how to split alters into fragments, into threes, in spite of the Trinity. So, you find lots of multiples that are victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse where the Satanists cast spells on the multiples and split single alters into three different alters called fragments. It's slightly complicated, but not too bad. So, the cases where you have thousands of alters can be caused by things like fragmenting many times. Satanists, witches, pagans...they all know that multiples are links to the spiritual world and they know they can cast spells and do horrible things to multiples in the spiritual realm, and so they do it. It's messed up...

One lady I know of was beaten up, bloodied and maimed by her parents when she was 6 yrs old, then thrown into the cellar for a day for refusing to worship Satan. The next morning, the parents pull the girl out and she's completely healed. The girl says that her "light" came and healed her and fed her. They get really scared of "her light" and didn't know what it was. So she refuses to worship Satan again and she tells them, "You can beat me up and starve me all you want, but my light will just come feed me and heal me again!" They beat her up and starved her again, and sure enough...next day, she was completely healed and fed. lol It was Jesus doing this for her, of course, or the Holy Spirit. We're still not quite sure which one did it.

This girl's friend was killed by these Satanist parents right in front of her because her friend believed in Christ due to this girl. So, they cut the girl's corps in half and make the girl do horrible things to the bottom half of the corps. Then, they cut it into pieces and throw this little girl into a barrel with the body parts for like 24 hours. This girl clinged to the severed head of her friend the entire time. The girl is actually well adjusted today and it didn't mess her up, surprizingly. I think God didn't allow the girl to go mentally insane due to her loyalty to Him in taking the abuse for His name. That's my guess. None of this lady's alters are insane. I haven't met a multiple with insane alters. Just some really bad issues and fears, basically. It is messed up what these people go through. I can see how abuse like this would cause a child's mind to flee and split. Horrible horrible stuff from the time they're born.

Lots of victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse have lots of baby alters that don't come out and talk, of course, but are in the system, because the Satanists did horrible things to them as a baby and caused them to split many times. One lady was part of a Satanic cult and her purpose was to have babies they could sacrifice to their false gods. The lady had one baby and she actually loved this one and refused to give it up, so she ran. She got away and fully integrated back into a monomind (normal mind) with help from the author of that book.

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Yeah, sort of in a counselor/client type relationship, but more so in a friend helping a friend relationship. I become friends with them and help them. I don't charge money, of course. I enjoy helping them. And unlike the psychiatric community, I actually get results, and get them very quickly, because I understand it and know how to combat it. Unfortunately, it's up to the multiple as to how quickly they want to heal, because it's much about how strong they can be and how hard they work to overcome fears and learn to love themselves and their other alters and submit to Jesus. Once they find Jesus inside, He can tell them the next step they need to take to healing. I could leave once they find Jesus, and they can continue to go to Jesus for each step to healing and He will lead them to healing the rest of the way till they're healed if they stick with Him. Lots are ashamed of stuff and won't go to Him over time because of it. Just depends on the person...

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No, I'm talking about the entire medical community now officially says that they can find NO physical cause for athsma, and that the only common factor in EVERY athsma patient is fear.
Huh? Please provide evidence to support this claim.

I've had athsma. My son has athsma. I've talked with pediatritions, lung specialist, and fellow athsmatics. I've read quite a bit of literature on the subject. Never have I heard of "fear" being assoicated with athsma is any way nor can I find it through a quick web search.

As far as the physical causes, I don't see any mystery there. It's true to say, different factors or combination of factores set off athsma is different people. Nevertheless, the triggers are well known and pretty commonly shared. I have never heard of fear being a trigger. I don't have an answer for why some people have athsma and other don't. However, what causes the irritations and how they develople into a full athsma attack are well known.

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WHAT CAUSES ASTHMA?

Scientists are not sure why some people have asthma and others don't. For many people, a tendency to asthma may be inherited. Other factors may also be involved. The basic problem is inflammation of the airways.


IS ASTHMA "PSYCHOSOMATIC"? IS IT ALL IN THE HEAD?

No. People used to think asthma was a psychological problem. It is not. Asthma is a real medical problem, but too much stress can make asthma worse.

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Link it if you got it. Show us your mad skillz.

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Oh yea of little faith...

Here's a quote from a lady that wrote on the subject of memory recovery and MPD:
Many fathers, stepfathers, and uncles were subsequently accused and some were convicted. People turned up dozens, hundreds, even a thousand alters, some of which weren’t even human, as documented by Joan Acocella in a 1998 New Yorker piece. And it wasn’t just run-of-the-mill abuse they were reporting, but organized satanic ritual abuse.

Here's the link:
http://lifeloom.com/III1Ramsland.htm

I didn't read much of it. Just wanted to point out that she references how people have come up with over a thousand personalities...

Here's another quote from a different write-up:
Actually, in both these respects, Sybil's descendants soon out-stripped her. Patients were eventually producing a hundred, four hundred, a thousand alters. (A case with forty-five hundred was recently reported.)

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/a...-hysteria.html

Just do a search like I did in Google to find this stuff. Use these search terms:
MPD thousand alters

You'll come up with a bunch of matches.
BrianC,

Uhhh, you might want to post a few better links. I did a quick read of both the provided links. Contrary to your intentions, these stories kind of refute the whole MPD thing. The authors of both articles have corresponding books, both of which paint the whole MPD industry as a fraud. They list people with hundred of alters as example of absurdity. (I'm paraphrasing of course.)


http://lifeloom.com/III1Ramsland.htm
Loftus, incensed, threw herself into proving that the techniques of recovered memory therapy could actually plant false memories, or at least add details that were not actually true. She became the premier researcher in the country to show just how unreliable memory can be – including and especially “recovered” memories - no matter how confident is the person who reports it.
.............
During that era, nevertheless, recovered memory therapy was popular and patients were told that symptoms like forgetfulness, daydreaming, and inner arguments were subtle indicators of MPD, and therefore of forgotten abuse. Some books stated that one-third of all women had suffered this. Many fathers, stepfathers, and uncles were subsequently accused and some were convicted. People turned up dozens, hundreds, even a thousand alters, some of which weren’t even human, as documented by Joan Acocella in a 1998 New Yorker piece.
..............
“Traumatologists” made a name for themselves, going to court as expert witnesses and offering self-help books that suggested that almost anyone could be the victim of child abuse and therefore have hidden personalities that they had long denied. This movement swept the country, as documented in Dr. Elaine Showalter’s Hystories, and increasingly more people sought a diagnosis of MPD to explain their troubles.


http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/a...=2&oref=slogin
With this case the disorder not only changed, it spread. Prior to Sybil, MPD had been one of the rarest of mental disorders. In a 1944 article two researchers, W. S. Taylor and Mabel Martin, reported that a search of the medical literature of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries had yielded only seventy-six cases that met their definition. But after Sybil, MPD exploded. One expert estimates that between 1985 and 1995 there were almost 40,000 new cases. And curiously, the latter-day multiples looked a lot like Sybil. The modal MPD patient, experts reported, was a white North American female around age thirty. As with Sybil, her disorder had begun in childhood, flowering into a large constellation of alters. In one study of 236 cases, the mean number of alters was sixteen, Sybil's count exactly.
.............................
Actually, in both these respects, Sybil's descendants soon out-stripped her. Patients were eventually producing a hundred, four hundred, a thousand alters. (A case with forty-five hundred was recently reported.) And whereas Sybil had confined herself to human alters, later MPs branched out. In a Wisconsin malpractice case that was settled in 1977 for $2.4 million, the patient claimed that among the 126 alters she developed in MPD therapy there were several angels, a duck, and "Lillith," the bride of Satan. The Georgia-based psychiatrist George Ganaway, one of the first authorities to caution against fascination with MPD, reported that he had been presented with "sages, lobsters, chickens, tigers, a gorilla, a unicorn, and `God.'"

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Uhhh, you might want to post a few better links. I did a quick read of both the provided links. Contrary to your intentions, these stories kind of refute the whole MPD thing. The authors of both articles have corresponding books, both of which paint the whole MPD industry as a fraud. They list people with hundred of alters as example of absurdity. (I'm paraphrasing of course.)
Just because these authors at one point in their career thought that MPD/DID was a scam, doesn't mean it's true. It also doesn't negate the fact that they found actual cases where some people had thousands of alters. They are 100% incorrect as to this being a fraud. I can prove when someone's multiple. It's not hard to do.

As for searching for this stuff, I told you what search terms to use in Google. Go find it for yourself. It's not hard.

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[QUOTE=jones4stangs]Huh? Please provide evidence to support this claim.

I've had athsma. My son has athsma. I've talked with pediatritions, lung specialist, and fellow athsmatics. I've read quite a bit of literature on the subject. Never have I heard of "fear" being assoicated with athsma is any way nor can I find it through a quick web search.

As far as the physical causes, I don't see any mystery there. It's true to say, different factors or combination of factores set off athsma is different people. Nevertheless, the triggers are well known and pretty commonly shared. I have never heard of fear being a trigger. I don't have an answer for why some people have athsma and other don't. However, what causes the irritations and how they develople into a full athsma attack are well known.
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You need to look at the most recent research on this. I don't remember how long ago they said made this claim of fear being the cause of athsma, but it wasn't long ago. I was just a confrence where they made this statement. They also broke out a Merk manual on diseases and showed that fear is always listed as the major cause of athsma.

I was just on the phone with a girl that was having an athsma attack. She could hardly breath and as SOON as I cast out the demon, she takes a full breath and is fine. Would you like to chat with me on yahoo? I can prove this to you. If you can do something to cause yourself an athsmatic attack, I guarantee I can make that attack stop immediately by casting out the demon.

Here's the problem, though. I can stop that attack dead in its tracks everytime, but if you keep fearing and you don't overcome the fear and the lie that you're trapped by this disease and it's not something you can overcome, you will continue to have attacks. Granted, you can cast that demon out everytime or command that demon to stop doing that to you, but unless you get rid of your fear of athsma and cast that demon out, you'll always have it.

If you learn something about spiritual warfare and how demons get in and effect us, you'll learn that we give them rights to be here and effect us by sinning in some form. Fear is a sin. Perfect love casts out fear, according to the Bible. One lady that's multiple told me that in her inside world, when I cast her demon of fear into the water of life, she saw him go into the water and he stayed there and would not die in the water for some reason. I told her to renounce fear out loud right now. She did and the demon explodes. Unfortunately, a day or two later, the demon was right back in because some other situation came up and she got fearful and gave him grounds to come back in.

This girl had never breathed a whole, deep breath in her life till the day she cast out fear by acknowledging that God loved her and accepting that He loved her. She took her first whole, deep breath and said it was amazing. She has a severe type of athsma that doesn't even allow her to take deep breaths. Pretty bad. She doesn't have it anymore, though. She has a much lighter form of it, because she hadn't fully gotten that demon out of her. She still fears some things... She can still fear other things, but not fear athsma anymore and trust God with her health, and the fear in that area will not come back and cause athsma if I understand it correctly. If you want to put me on your yahoo messenger or MSN messenger, here's my e-mail address: [email protected] My name is cephyr13 on Yahoo.

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[QUOTE=BrianC][QUOTE=jones4stangs]Huh? Please provide evidence to support this claim.

I've had athsma. My son has athsma. I've talked with pediatritions, lung specialist, and fellow athsmatics. I've read quite a bit of literature on the subject. Never have I heard of "fear" being assoicated with athsma is any way nor can I find it through a quick web search.

As far as the physical causes, I don't see any mystery there. It's true to say, different factors or combination of factores set off athsma is different people. Nevertheless, the triggers are well known and pretty commonly shared. I have never heard of fear being a trigger. I don't have an answer for why some people have athsma and other don't. However, what causes the irritations and how they develople into a full athsma attack are well known.
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You need to look at the most recent research on this. I don't remember how long ago they said made this claim of fear being the cause of athsma, but it wasn't long ago. I was just a confrence where they made this statement. They also broke out a Merk manual on diseases and showed that fear is always listed as the major cause of athsma.

I was just on the phone with a girl that was having an athsma attack. She could hardly breath and as SOON as I cast out the demon, she takes a full breath and is fine. Would you like to chat with me on yahoo? I can prove this to you. If you can do something to cause yourself an athsmatic attack, I guarantee I can make that attack stop immediately by casting out the demon.

Here's the problem, though. I can stop that attack dead in its tracks everytime, but if you keep fearing and you don't overcome the fear and the lie that you're trapped by this disease and it's not something you can overcome, you will continue to have attacks. Granted, you can cast that demon out everytime or command that demon to stop doing that to you, but unless you get rid of your fear of athsma and cast that demon out, you'll always have it.

If you learn something about spiritual warfare and how demons get in and effect us, you'll learn that we give them rights to be here and effect us by sinning in some form. Fear is a sin. Perfect love casts out fear, according to the Bible. One lady that's multiple told me that in her inside world, when I cast her demon of fear into the water of life, she saw him go into the water and he stayed there and would not die in the water for some reason. I told her to renounce fear out loud right now. She did and the demon explodes. Unfortunately, a day or two later, the demon was right back in because some other situation came up and she got fearful and gave him grounds to come back in.

This girl had never breathed a whole, deep breath in her life till the day she cast out fear by acknowledging that God loved her and accepting that He loved her. She took her first whole, deep breath and said it was amazing. She has a severe type of athsma that doesn't even allow her to take deep breaths. Pretty bad. She doesn't have it anymore, though. She has a much lighter form of it, because she hadn't fully gotten that demon out of her. She still fears some things... She can still fear other things, but not fear athsma anymore and trust God with her health, and the fear in that area will not come back and cause athsma if I understand it correctly. If you want to put me on your yahoo messenger or MSN messenger, here's my e-mail address: [email protected] My name is cephyr13 on Yahoo.

No offense, but what in the fuck are you talking about? Casting out an asthma causing demon?
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No offense, but what in the f*ck are you talking about? Casting out an asthma causing demon?
This stuff is hilarious! Even if he's just joking around, it's pretty entertaining!
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You need to look at the most recent research on this. I don't remember how long ago they said made this claim of fear being the cause of athsma, but it wasn't long ago. I was just a confrence where they made this statement. They also broke out a Merk manual on diseases and showed that fear is always listed as the major cause of athsma.
Where can I find this information about asthma being cause by fear? I've searched the web and only come up with examples, like this....

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http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec05/ch048/ch048a.html

Asthma is a disease of diffuse airway inflammation caused by a variety of triggering stimuli resulting in partially or completely reversible bronchoconstriction. Symptoms and signs include dyspnea, chest tightness, and wheezing. The diagnosis is based on history, physical examination, and pulmonary function tests. Treatment involves controlling triggering factors and drug therapy, most commonly with inhaled β-agonists and inhaled corticosteroids.

Development of asthma is multifactorial and depends on interactions between multiple susceptibility genes and environmental factors.

Susceptibility genes are thought to include those for T-helper 2 (TH2) cells and their cytokines (IL-4, -5, -9, and -13) and the recently identified ADAM33 gene, which may stimulate airway smooth muscle and fibroblast proliferation or regulate cytokine production.

Evidence clearly implicates household (dust mite, cockroach, pet) and other environmental (pollen) allergens in disease development in older children and adults. Endotoxin infection or exposure early in life can induce tolerance and may be protective. Air pollution is not definitively linked to disease development, though it may trigger exacerbations. Diets low in vitamins C and E and in ω–3 fatty acids have been linked to asthma, as has obesity. Asthma has also been linked to perinatal factors, such as young maternal age, poor maternal nutrition, prematurity, low birthweight, and lack of breastfeeding. The role of childhood exposure to cigarette smoke is controversial, with some studies finding a contributory and some a protective effect.

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Oh yea of little faith...

Here's a quote from a lady that wrote on the subject of memory recovery and MPD:
Many fathers, stepfathers, and uncles were subsequently accused and some were convicted. People turned up dozens, hundreds, even a thousand alters, some of which weren’t even human, as documented by Joan Acocella in a 1998 New Yorker piece. And it wasn’t just run-of-the-mill abuse they were reporting, but organized satanic ritual abuse.

Here's the link:
http://lifeloom.com/III1Ramsland.htm
Yeah, um... here's the whole quote:

"During that era, nevertheless, recovered memory therapy was popular and patients were told that symptoms like forgetfulness, daydreaming, and inner arguments were subtle indicators of MPD, and therefore of forgotten abuse. Some books stated that one-third of all women had suffered this. Many fathers, stepfathers, and uncles were subsequently accused and some were convicted. People turned up dozens, hundreds, even a thousand alters, some of which weren’t even human, as documented by Joan Acocella in a 1998 New Yorker piece. And it wasn’t just run-of-the-mill abuse they were reporting, but organized satanic ritual abuse. Whole businesses sprang up and flourished, with book publishers, convention promoters, group therapists, individual therapists, national organizations, and hospitals benefiting. (McNally makes a point of stating that when insurance ran out, such people were either “cured” or let go.)"

It's talking about falsified cases, either deliberately by the patient, or by the "therapist" in order to siphon insurance money. The New Yorker piece, and subsequent book by the same author, also documents these false MPD cases.

Context is our friend. For shame, your neglect.

Care to try again?

As for the rest of your comments in this thread so far... seriously, seek psychiatric help, because you've got a massive delusion going on.

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Just because these authors at one point in their career thought that MPD/DID was a scam, doesn't mean it's true. It also doesn't negate the fact that they found actual cases where some people had thousands of alters.
I'm shocked. Even when your own "proof" is found wanting, you still cling to it.

They did not find "actual cases" of thousands of personalities. They found false claims. HUGE difference.

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Seek psychiatric help. Please.

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