Originally Posted by Brain_Mach1
All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (CCC 1030).
Where does this come from? Look at 1 Corinthians 3:14–15: "If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." The Latinate word purgatory means a purgation or burning by fire. Purgation is just as biblical as the Trinity, the concept exists but not the exact word.
It is not a third place which is separate from Heaven or Hell. It is a cleansing place for those who are saved and are heaven bound but not there yet. Why does this place exist? A person at death who still has personal faults is prevented from entering into heaven because he is not completely purified. He must go through a period of purgation in order to be made clean, for nothing unclean will enter heaven (cf. Rev. 21:27).
Alright, 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 is speaking of the refiners fire. We are told that when we die, all of our good and bad deeds will be tested by fire. The purely selfless deeds will not burn up and the unpure will. All that will be left is your reward. That's it. The loss you suffer is in deeds. You will loose all of the deeds you did that were not purely to help others.
You say, "on your way to heaven," right? Well, let's see... When I was born again, here's what happened to me:
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son
My spirit man is in heaven RIGHT NOW. No purification needed, because the spirit man is holy, meaning he cannot sin and therefore, does not need to be purified.
John 3:18 (Jesus Speaking)
He who believes in Him is not judged...
Well, look at that. I'm not going to be judged at all. Purgatory would require judgement in order to refine me by fire. No purgatory for a believer...assuming Purgatory were real.
1 Corinthians 6:2,3
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? Do you not know that we will judge angels?
Check that out... the saints will judge the world (and angels [demons]). So, how will you judge the world if you're in Purgatory? Hmmmmm...
"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."
Wow, imagine that... another verse that says we won't be judged but will be rewarded iinstead. Purgatory just isn't looking too visible biblically...
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
My spirit man is in heaven RIGHT now. We're told that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven, so my fleshly body must be turned into a resurrection body which is perfect and sin-free before it can enter heaven with my spirit body.
But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
My spirit is born of God's holy nature by the Holy Spirit, and cannot be corrupted by sin (that's what holy means...that it's impossible to sin).
1 Corinthians 15:42
So also is the resurrection of the dead It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1 Corinthians 15:52,53
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, " DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
1 Peter 1:23
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.
He who believes in the Son has eternal life
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment
, but has passed out of death into life.
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
Want me to keep going? We ARE NOT JUDGED. We have escaped judgement, as you saw from the verses. The WORLD is judged, but we are rewarded. We are changed in the twinkling of an eye, in an instant; no time for purgatory, because that new body you get is said to be imperishable (without sin). We are going to judge the world on the last day and the demons (fallen angels). No time for that while in purgatory. We cannot lose our salvation either since our spirit man is perfect, so there's nothing to judge.
Sorry, but the doctrine of purgatory coming from one verse taken way out of context is completely disproven by the rest of the New Testament. I bet I can even find Old Testament verses that speak of escaping judgement...I know I can, because I can remember some that speak of not holding sins against the people who love and obey God.
I'd seriously rethink the whole purgatory and salvation thing... Jesus said we have eternal life present tense, and that if we believe in Him even though we die (in the flesh), we will not die (in the spirit). So, once again, losing salvation is impossible once you believe in Him, or it makes Him a liar. If we've escaped judgement, what's there to judge to condemn us? We're told there's no condemnation in Christ. So how does one get condemned once saved?? We're told that nothing can snatch us from the Father's hand or from Jesus' hand. We are told by Paul that NOTHING can separate us from the Love of God that is in Jesus Christ (in those whom He saves, obviously). No, you cannot lose your salvation, and you are not judged, and you do not go to this imaginary place called Purgatory created from one verse that's taken out of context.