Originally Posted by Phillystang
I compare Scripture with Scripture to see what it is saying. I avoid taking verses out of context just to try and make a point. If a book is addressed to Brothers, I keep it in the context of an address to Christians. If 99 verses strongly state one doctrine clearly, and 1 verse seems to say the opposite, I do not cling to that 1 verse.
So, if I address a letter to you, Phillystang and your brothers at the church, and in that letter I say, "I, God, give a measure of faith to everyone," you are going to assume I'm talking about just you and your church? Well, what about other Christians? What about the rest of the world? I DID NOT indicate whom I was referring to. I didn't say, "I give all CHRISTIANS a measure of faith." No, I said, "I give everyone a measure of faith."
You are taking this out of context just because it's addressed to Christians. The book of Hebrews is addressed to the Hebrews. Yet it talks about Jews, Christians and the unsaved and saved Gentiles. Gee, what happened to addressing something to JUST the Hebrews and keeping in that context?
Sorry, but to say that just because a letter is addressed to someone that the context of that message CANNOT refer to anyone else but them is ridiculous. Again, you're choosing to see it that way to support your theory...
Once again, this is found in a book written to beleivers regarding their ministrial roles in the church. Some have higher appearing rolls and some less noble. Along with taking this out of the context of beleivers, you imply that this is an equal measure of faith too, reading in the word "equal" into the text.
The word equal does not have to be added to the text. Faith PERIOD is mentioned. Faith is the mechanism by which we are saved, and it is of God, not us. And nowhere in this text does it indicate that God is ONLY referring to believers. You have nothing to stand on with this claim.
Yes, faith which is given from God.
Yep, which I've said a million times, yet somehow you never quite seem to understand that I've said it, so you repeat yourself as if I never said it...
Not impossible, just not what He purposed according to His will.
No, it is YOUR OPINION that He didn't give everyone a measure of faith. It is the way YOU read that verse because of your pre-set belief. No where in that scripture or book does it indicate that ALL of the statements there are directed squarely at believers. Pleanty of times in pleanty of books, all men, as a whole, are clearly depicted in teachings, even when the letter is addressed to brothers. In fact, every letter, basically, is addressed to believers. It's a requirement by the post office. lol So, are you saying that Paul has to make everything in his letter about believers, and he cannot speak at all about non-believers in his letters? Again...this makes NO sense.
Jesus often says "Ye of litle faith", if the disciples had such little faith, how much faith do you think the pagans that were sacrificing their babies to Molech had?
Let's see, you have Christ in your heart, because you have been born again, and so you should have strong faith, right? Could you go walk on water right now? No, you couldn't. Yet Peter, who was included in Jesus' statement about "Ye of little faith," walked on water briefly. What does that say about your faith? The point is that God's measure of faith He gives to everyone doesn't have to be hardly any measure at all. Even Jesus said, "If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you would tell this tree to get up and move, and it would do so." Therefore, none of us is given very much faith at all. But all it takes is just a very small amount to do amazing things. And only this little tiny bit of faith is necessary for us to seek God. God's faith, though....it's amazing. Jesus had 100% faith. Complete faith in God. When we're born again, we are supposed to train ourselves to totally rely on Jesus and connect with HIS faith, and walk in it. His faith is perfect. Our's is always minute. We must rely on Him and His faith at all times for all things.
Instances of faithlessness in the Scriptures
A few: Psalm 101:3
I will set before my eyes no vile thing. The deeds of faithless men I hate; they will not cling to me.
I look on the faithless with loathing, for they do not obey your word.
You can have faith and not operate in it. Remember when James talks about dead faith? That's faithlessness. Faith that is dead is faith that does not do works. If you have faith, you will use it to do good works. Dead faith, though, is useless. I know many Christians that have dead faith and no longer serve the Lord. They are "faithless." They no longer operate in faith, so they no longer obey God like they used to.
My posts have been filled with Scriptures, not sure what you are talking about?
Yes, filled with tons of scriptures, many of which speak nothing of salvation or election or how God chooses, and therefore, off topic and of no use. And you will not cite Psalm 91:14 and explain that one. It has a cause right there. Yes, God gave us the capacity to love Him, but He says, "BECAUSE he loved Me, I will deliver him." BECAUSE. CAUSE.
Your inability to see free will destroys the meaning of life completely, and the necessity of even being here in the flesh. It's pointless.
I see the point you are trying top make, like I said, I had the same view growing up. It was not founded in Scriptures though, it was founded in what seemed fait to me. Where in the Scriptures does it say that men left to themselves have the ability of their own free will to come to God or to seek God?
If you had my viewpoint in the past, I seriously doubt you use the verses the way I do and have the same reasoning for it. If you did understand it to the degree I do, then you would see that your argument is not possible, because it destroys the framework of why we are here on earth at all.