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Homersexuals in heaven.

I guess this would be the right forum for this. I was watching Desperate Housewives last night(hey, at least I admit it) and the red headed housewife, Bree, I think is her name, was telling her son who is a bisexual that he can't go to heaven because he likes...as he put it chocolate ice cream as well as vanilla.

Where in the bible does it specifically say "homo's don't go to heaven"? Do you really believe this? If god is so forgiving why can't the gays go to heaven? What about the gays that hate the fact that they are gay and have feelings for the same sex? Is that not repentance of their "sin"?
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Sorry I am not the religous type and won't comment, but I watch it too....
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Well bascially as I see it, IF they repent of it, that means to "turn away" from it, or self denial because the reward(heaven) will be worth it. There is a story of a woman caught in adultery and she was brought before Jesus and the pharisees said the punishment was death and ask Jesus what he thought, well as it goes he said let he who is without sin cast the first stone, well slowly they all walked away, he then asked her where her accusers were, she they had left, he said he also would not condem her to death, BUT he told her to "GO and SIN NO MORE". he didnt condem her but also didnt give her liscense to keep sinning without consequence. Homosexuality has the same consequence as any sin for the christian. What we are striving to do is be as close to the likeness of Christ as we can be, we are told "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god" the real question is what do we do about it, we have to continually "renew our minds" Rom 12:1-2, notice vs 1 there says this is our "REASONABLE" service.

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I personally think the whole gay rights and so forth are being blown way out of proportion, they have always been there and always will be, so not matter if you outlaw gay marriages or say they are going to hell there is always going to be homosexuality. I don't feel that its something that one should be condemed to hell for, and i am wondering where in the bible it does say its wrong. But than again i am just an atheist, so what do i know.

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I dont remember if it says you will go to heaven or not but it Does Say if a man lays with another man or a women with another women it is an abomination to God
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The Bible is translated to some to speak on vampires to im sure the go to heaven or not goto Heaven is in there.
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there's a certain verse, I just dont remember where.
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The Bible is translated to some to speak on vampires to im sure the go to heaven or not goto Heaven is in there.
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For matters of sexual sin look into the book of Romans.....
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But it does speak on that read:...Probverbs 30:14

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9have ye not known that the unrighteous the kingdom of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,
10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit.
11And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.


The word used here for sodomites is arsenokoites. It means an abuser of ones self with mankind. It is taken from two other words, arsen, meaning man, and koite, meaning bed or chambering. So it is clear to me that from these definitions that a sodomite is a man who abuses himself in another mans bed, i.e. homosexuality.

But there is hope. Verse 11 says so.

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great reference, Moon Dog, but could you redo it in a more readable translation that is more up to date with the wording we use today? King James version is like opera,... who can understand it that has not studied it at length?
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I dont remember if it says you will go to heaven or not but it Does Say if a man lays with another man or a women with another women it is an abomination to God
Yep, Leviticus 18:22.

And Leviticus 20:13 goes on to order that both should then be killed for the transgression:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Romans 1:26-28 also goes ahead and includes lesbians, just to cover all bases. Of course they should be killed too: Romans 1:31-32

So the good news here is that both the Old and New Testaments say it's ok to eradicate the offenders. Now there's true compassion from an infinitely wise and loving God!
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great reference, Moon Dog, but could you redo it in a more readable translation that is more up to date with the wording we use today? King James version is like opera,... who can understand it that has not studied it at length?
It is actually a literal translation from the Greek, not KJV. Anyway, here is a Contemporary English Version. I have bold the same parts as above.
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Great response Moon Dog...what many don't understand is that we all have a God we worship....just for most it is Idolatry, Money, Sex, Pornography.....everyone will bow down before something whether you realize it or not.

But honestly as far as Homosexuals in heaven no one can say. All need to remember not one sin is greater then the next, we have all fallen short of the mark that God has set, hence the need for Christ, but the problem with homosexuality is that it is not only sinful but it is a life-style.

Not one person in this forum can judge and say that there will be no homosexuals in heaven, don't under-estimate Gods burning passion for his children, and never forget the grace he offered through his son.
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But honestly as far as Homosexuals in heaven no one can say. All need to remember not one sin is greater then the next, we have all fallen short of the mark that God has set, hence the need for Christ, but the problem with homosexuality is that it is not only sinful but it is a life-style.

Not one person in this forum can judge and say that there will be no homosexuals in heaven, don't under-estimate Gods burning passion for his children, and never forget the grace he offered through his son.

abom·i·na·tion
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The Bible also says that a only true follower will enter Heaven; and they are known by their lifestyle (this does not mean an occasional mistake). So a true follower of Christ cannot live that kind of lifestyle if he is really yielding himself to Christ. The Bible says that those things are an abomination. Even Christ will not dwell with something He loaths. This word would not have been used if it were not the intended meaning. It would have been a word like "dislike".
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I have to agree with you. Basically it is a matter of the heart. That is where God judges, in matters of the heart. If a homosexual is making a conscience effort to change his life style it is one thing, but if they just give in and continue to walk in sin it is an other.

In my mind there are two types of homosexuality.

1. Your a product of an enviroment that was placed upon you, you had some type of emotional or physical trama that "messed" up your growth....I feel this is the most common type....basically it is an unconscience decision. This is the one that you here on Loveline all the time or on some T.V. show.....and several of these people actual "convert"

2. Born with it. I use to have a huge problem with this not to long ago. Thinking to myself that "How could this be, God would not let you be born this way only to despise you, how crappy would that be!" But the truth is I believe you can have a hormonal imbalance that affects you this way. People are born with all kind of problems and defects and this is just an other, the only difference it is not a physical defect. This is all caused by the orginal sin passed through use generation to generation, not God. We are all bent and skewed this is just an other product of natural sin.
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I guess this would be the right forum for this. I was watching Desperate Housewives last night(hey, at least I admit it) and the red headed housewife, Bree, I think is her name, was telling her son who is a bisexual that he can't go to heaven because he likes...as he put it chocolate ice cream as well as vanilla.

Where in the bible does it specifically say "homo's don't go to heaven"? Do you really believe this? If god is so forgiving why can't the gays go to heaven? What about the gays that hate the fact that they are gay and have feelings for the same sex? Is that not repentance of their "sin"?

The real question should be what about the millions of Muslims, Buddhists, etc. The basis of your question is the same for everyone other than Christians. Does God just let people like Ghandi go to hell?? Or does he make an exception? the Christian bible says no, unless you go through Jesus, etc. etc. Things that make you go, Hmmmmmmmm.........
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Great response Moon Dog...what many don't understand is that we all have a God we worship....just for most it is Idolatry, Money, Sex, Pornography.....everyone will bow down before something whether you realize it or not.

But honestly as far as Homosexuals in heaven no one can say. All need to remember not one sin is greater then the next, we have all fallen short of the mark that God has set, hence the need for Christ, but the problem with homosexuality is that it is not only sinful but it is a life-style.

Not one person in this forum can judge and say that there will be no homosexuals in heaven, don't under-estimate Gods burning passion for his children, and never forget the grace he offered through his son.
Bingo. I was waiting for somebody to finally say it right!!

Moondog is also right on the head with the scriptures.

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This is STUPID

I just realized the title of this post doesn't make any sense..neither does the question

"Homosexual's in Heaven"

No, instead it should read...

" SINNERS IN HEAVEN"

Get it?
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What happened to the whole "Be true to thine self" thing? If you're gay, you're gay and there is nothing you can do about it. Homosexuality is not a choice, and it's not just a chemical imbalance, its a psychological trait that you are born with. And why would god bring something into this world if it is just inherently going to hell? It makes no sense and to me religion is one big hypocracy. The lessons you can learn from the Bible and all other religious scripts are very valuable, but I just can't get myself to believe in any of the spirituality that goes along with it.
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Homosexuality is not a choice, and it's not just a chemical imbalance, its a psychological trait that you are born with.
Can you prove this statement?

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God didn't bring homosexuality into the natural sin did.
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Can you prove this statement?
I can't personally, but every psychiatrist i have talked to agrees. I guess i cant really state that its scientifically proven without doing some more research, but being a psychology major myself i tend to agree with them. I myself am not a homosexual but know many and dont have a problem with them. I just don't understand why everyone got so bent out of shpe jut so recently over this thing. It's not like homosexuals haven't been around until just recently, or like they're going away any time soon or ever for that matter.
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I can't personally, but every psychiatrist i have talked to agrees. I guess i cant really state that its scientifically proven without doing some more research, but being a psychology major myself i tend to agree with them. I myself am not a homosexual but know many and dont have a problem with them. I just don't understand why everyone got so bent out of shpe jut so recently over this thing. It's not like homosexuals haven't been around until just recently, or like they're going away any time soon or ever for that matter.
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I dont remember if it says you will go to heaven or not but it Does Say if a man lays with another man or a women with another women it is an abomination to God

The actual verse everyone likes to jump on is in Liviticus I believe. It states that A man shall not lay with unanother man.....something like that. If so he shall be put to death. Well that same book says a man shall not lay in the same bed with a women who is menstrating. If so then botht the man and women shall be put to death. How many of you are married? Maybe you should all be put to death who have done this very thing? It also states that if you are caught having sex with animals, you shall be put to death and so shall the animal. I am not knocking the bible, it is a groovy read and yes I am a spiritual person, but was the bible really meant for litteral transaltion? Or is it merely a guide to help you thru your own spirtuality? Or maybe a how to guide too life? (Especially the New Testment the way it is written in parable.) Has content really been lost or distorted over the many years, languages and time periods the books have gone threw? Then again who is right?


Individual Spirtualism is the key. Everyone throws the bible around like an excuss to tell someone they are wrong and are damn to hell.(But as the verse go..."Don't throw stones........."or how about "Don't Judge least ye be judged) I guess for that matter you could probably say that about any organized belief system. I am not trying to knock anyone, or but heads with anyone. I am merely saying I believe the human race, itself, is the biggest problem with it's fractured ,global, spirtuality. Is it too much to ask for people to think ,on thier own, and really search and dig for the for the bigger questions? Is it just easier to accept it, because you read it in a book, or someone told you it is supposed to be that way?

How can anyone really say who is right and who and wrong? Just think of how many religions their are and have been since recorded history. Just think of how divided christianity is itself today. Sorry I did not mean to go on a tear, this has just really been bugging me lately. You see how evil man has been and continues to be to itself in the name of a belief.
Just to clarify to everyone (Because I know belief is a hot botton for everyone) this rant in meant in general. I am not really stuck solely on homosexuality in this post but it is a key issue in society and I used the topic as a stepping stone for what I view as a larger problem with modern belief systems. They have and continue to deeply divide the human race in really negative ways.
In today's technology based way of living,.. that, IMO, is an increasingly alarming problem. I say this, because of the shear destructive power that is now available for someone to prove a point in a really big way.

To get back one point, resoundingly YES, I believe a homosexual will go to heaven. Why would you say someone who is gay will not? The human brain is still such a mystery, and so is the depths of the human condition. Science has found that homosexuallity has alot to do with prenatal brain developement. You could go even one step farther. If you look at this planet and it very long history, as well as, the life that has exstited and is exisiting here. This dose require you to step out of the box (And when I say box I mean you little world and your understanding of it.) (And when I say little box (Because we all have one) I am not trying to insult you in any way just asking you to think) and think about it on a larger timeline. Yes I am talking about evolution. Perfect thought provoking piece of information is the clam. There are only two types of clams: One male, and another male that can change sex at will. I say this to present you with the idea that maybe SEX is the mutation and not homosexuality. This idea dose require you to look at this bigger picture from the bigger perspective of the universe and not just our little corner of it. It is very possible that this whole thing (Meaning the whole universe itself) was set into motion by god and has really taken billion upon billions of years to end up here,....today. What happens to egocentric religious belief when life is found outside of this planet. When I say egocentric I mean what I mean. Life in itself is self serving,.........survival of the fitest. Man has a false sense of entitlement that is used on a daily basis to excuss its own actions. "We are the only life anywhere and god looks like us, and we were created in gods image, and O yhea Jesus is white,....... Damn we are so special!!!!!" Yes there is large amounts of sarcasim there.
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I can't personally, but every psychiatrist i have talked to agrees. I guess i cant really state that its scientifically proven without doing some more research, but being a psychology major myself i tend to agree with them
My biology teacher in college said it was genetic. We asked for the proof and she waffled on about how close to finding proof they were but didn't have it yet. Seems to me that what IS a psychological trait is sin. We all have it and are simply predisposed to one type or another. If you believe in evolution it doesn't make sense that it would be either genetic or psychological as it would be a VERY recessive gene or habit seeing as how they won't reproduce like heterosexuals. I think the bottom line is that people look for "proof" to back up their preconceived notions.
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My biology teacher in college said it was genetic. We asked for the proof and she waffled on about how close to finding proof they were but didn't have it yet. Seems to me that what IS a psychological trait is sin. We all have it and are simply predisposed to one type or another. If you believe in evolution it doesn't make sense that it would be either genetic or psychological as it would be a VERY recessive gene or habit seeing as how they won't reproduce like heterosexuals. I think the bottom line is that people look for "proof" to back up their preconceived notions.
all science is based off of proof. the five senses dictate what science states as laws, whereas the laws of man rely solely on intangible things such as freedom and feelings of what is right or wrong.
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The actual verse everyone likes to jump on is in Liviticus I believe. It states that A man shall not lay with unanother man.....something like that.
Or something like that? Do you live your life on half truths or asumptions? Which is it?

I haven't time to teach or share with someone that has a narrow view of the world.

Before you try to tell me about my religion, or "something like that", you best go find some facts to back up your "something like that" comment and then we will listen. But you better come packing some knowledge about the Torah and the New Testement, because you are in for a rude awakening, I can tell aready.
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Or something like that? Do you live your life on half truths or asumptions? Which is it?

I haven't time to teach or share with someone that has a narrow view of the world.

Before you try to tell me about my religion, or "something like that", you best go find some facts to back up your "something like that" comment and then we will listen. But you better come packing some knowledge about the Torah and the New Testement, because you are in for a rude awakening, I can tell aready.

What ever man.. If all you want to is be petty about it, then I am done with you. You can not tell me anything I do not already know and spent many years contimplating. Life is to short to argue with someone so limited in scope.

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We are not the ones to determine that. There will be a day of recogning and all sin will be judged.
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If you believe in evolution it doesn't make sense that it would be either genetic or psychological as it would be a VERY recessive gene or habit seeing as how they won't reproduce like heterosexuals.
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What ever man.. If all you want to is be petty about it, then I am done with you. You can not tell me anything I do not already know and spent many years contimplating. Life is to short to argue with someone so limited in scope.

Petty? It is called facts, truth. Don't try to make an arguement with "or something like that". If you can't deal with facts, then how can you be a free thinker?

I'll yield to your suprior knowledge when it appears in one of your posts.

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I read this entire thread(alright, I lied, I skimmed it), and I'm still trying to figure out what a homersexual is. Someone that beats off to The Simpsons?
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Not to get off subject but doesnt it say somewhere in Kings, that David was just a little bit closer to ?Johnathon? than most men are to eachother. I odnt have my bible handy was just wondering.
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Not to get off subject but doesnt it say somewhere in Kings, that David was just a little bit closer to ?Johnathon? than most men are to eachother.
1 Samuel 18. The word used for "love" there is inconclusive. Doesn't necessarily mean sexual or otherwise. Considering that homosexuality was condemned and David was punished severely later in life for his affair with Bathsheba it makes no sense that it would be "eros" (lust) instead of "phileo" (brotherly affection).
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1 Samuel 18. The word used for "love" there is inconclusive. Doesn't necessarily mean sexual or otherwise. Considering that homosexuality was condemned and David was punished severely later in life for his affair with Bathsheba it makes no sense that it would be "eros" (lust) instead of "phileo" (brotherly affection).
most of the words in the bible are inconclusive. we have no idea what it is supposed to mean. we could all be wrong, all we can do is go off of someone who says they think they know what it means. none of us have any REAL clue what heaven is, or what its supposed to be, or even what hell is. the entire story to me seems inconclusive so i cant bring myself to believe in it. i dont care if homosexuals are let into heaven, and i dont care if i end up going to heaven. i just want to know the truth and if i have to study religion as an atheist or become a christian i will do so. but christians are so sure that their way is "the truth" and atheists or free thinkers are the same way, nobody knows shit, theres no evidence either way.

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most of the words in the bible are inconclusive. we have no idea what it is supposed to mean. we could all be wrong, all we can do is go off of someone who says they think they know what it means. none of us have any REAL clue what heaven is, or what its supposed to be, or even what hell is. the entire story to me seems inconclusive so i cant bring myself to believe in it. i dont care if homosexuals are let into heaven, and i dont care if i end up going to heaven. i just want to know the truth and if i have to study religion as an atheist or become a christian i will do so. but christians are so sure that their way is "the truth" and atheists or free thinkers are the same way, nobody knows shit, theres no evidence either way.

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I thought god destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cause of homosexuality along with other things? Personally I think homosexuality is a sickness. I have gay friends, cause I was once a cheerleader. they know how I feel, but I do realize that they are human beings. also gay marriage should be outlawed.
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My biology teacher in college said it was genetic. We asked for the proof and she waffled on about how close to finding proof they were but didn't have it yet. Seems to me that what IS a psychological trait is sin. We all have it and are simply predisposed to one type or another. If you believe in evolution it doesn't make sense that it would be either genetic or psychological as it would be a VERY recessive gene or habit seeing as how they won't reproduce like heterosexuals. I think the bottom line is that people look for "proof" to back up their preconceived notions.
Also, when I was 2yrs. old. My father ran out on my mom, my brother, and myself. to be with another man. it being genetic is total bullshit. Cause I am most definently straight. As well as my brother.
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most of the words in the bible are inconclusive. we have no idea what it is supposed to mean.
What are you basing that statement on?

We can interpret the Bible the same way we interpret anything else. Mostly by taking it in the proper context. Words in Hebrew and Greek are much like English in the sense that they can often have multiple applications. That hardly means it's impossible to understand. If I told you "I love so and so" you could guess what I meant by "love" by the way I said it.... probably. If I said it in Greek there would be no doubt since there's multiple words that translate into our one word. Difficult sometimes? Yes. Impossible or even just inconclusive? No.

I don't find the story inconclusive. Jesus summed it up when He said "love the Lord your God with all your heart/soul/strength and love your neighbor as yourself. In this is summed up all of the law and the prophets". (paraphrased)
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did you know back in the day there were psychological experiments done to homosexuals to convert them back to being straight, some included electric shock treatment and some really inhumane shit. But none of it worked. In the bible it says its wrong and i think God didnt intend for men or women to be gay because he made adam and eve for each other ya know. but God didnt intend for man to sin either... Anyways, it boils down to judgement is between each man and God. One gay man is judged for his sins not anyone elses just like me or a murderer or michael jackson (j/k). and whoever said there is no heaven, have you died and come back to tell us the bad news? if there is nothing after this life then what is the point of our existence? where did the internal sense of right and wrong come from? why are there so many stories about good and evil, obviously there has to be greater forces in this world that created these things. wether it be God and Satan or Allah or whoever. thats my .02
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It's not a sin to be gay, it's a sin to have practice it. God will accept anyone gay or not, but by doing the act, you are sinning. This includes lusting also. Lusting is a sin I commit almost everyday! Not homosexual lusting, the correct lusting!

I believe that if they control their desires and repent and most importantly accept Jesus as their savior, they will go!
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thats a good point, its like drinking isnt considered a sin but in the bible it talks about how drinking too much is, lack of self control/having a certain lifestyle is whats in question here.
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