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Suicide - Hell...

I was curious to know how you guys felt about doing what the bible says is the greatest sin.

Do you guys feel that all people that commit suicide will go to hell/Purgatory? or is there a different circumstances in situation that might be an acceptiong?

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Out of curiosity, could you please provide the specific quote(s) in the bible that state(s) that suicide is the greatest sin?
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I think suicide is the most selfish thing anyone could ever do, I hate seeing what it does to the family that is left behind. ESPECIALLY CHILDREN!

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Out of curiosity, could you please provide the specific quote(s) in the bible that state(s) that suicide is the greatest sin?
Sorry, can't quote, maybe I should rephrase...

If we were told that commiting suicide was a detremental sin, and your soul would be punished by living eternity in purgatory...what happens if someone started there plan and during there act decided this was the wrong thing to do but was too late.

I kind've agree with you undertaker on what it does to the family and children, but it takes alot of desperation and a sickness that is highly over looked (depression) to make people do that.

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Well, what if it were justified to yourself. i.e. you were drinking and driving, kill one or more people and just got life in prison, 20 years or less? Would it be...

1. Your punishment for doing something stupid? Meaning, live a lifetime with that guilt.

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2. Would it be you providing society justice by whacking yourself?

Either way, don't kill yourself - chances are it ain't that bad.

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If you commit suicide and you are not saved, you go to Hell. If you commit suicide and are saved you will not go to Hell. You can't lose your salvation because of a sin. Some people say, "Well, you can't ask for forgiveness if you kill yourself, so you go to Hell.". Jesus died for our sins from yesterday today and forever. When you get saved your sins are wiped clean forever. If you had to ask forgiveness for every sin you made, what would happen if you forgot one? We sin and don't even know it at times. Jesus died for us once, you don't become saved lost, saved lost, or get born again again. No one sin is greater than another. If you sin once, you are guilty of all sins. Get saved and you are guilty of no sin. Jesus freed us from sin, not to sin. So, if you think you are going to get saved just so you can run around and act like the Devil, your motives are wrong and you aren't truely saved.

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If you commit suicide and you are not saved, you go to Hell. If you commit suicide and are saved you will not go to Hell. You can't loose your salvation because of a sin. Some people say, "Well, you can't ask for forgiveness if you kill yourself, so you go to Hell.". Jesus died for our sins from yesterday today and forever. When you get saved your sins are wiped clean forever. If you had to ask forgiveness for every sin you made, what would happen if you forgot one? We sin and don't even know it at times. Jesus died for us once, you don't become saved lost, saved lost, or get born again again. No one sin is greater than another. If you sin once you are guilty of all sins. Get saved and you are guilty of no sin. Though Jesus is not freed us from sin not to sin. If you think you are going to get saved just so you can run around and act like the Devil, your motives are wrong and you aren't truely saved.

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if you kiill yourself you go in to a box in the ground and cost your family greif and bout $5k to bury your dumb ass

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Good point, leave it to you to make it super simple.

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If you commit suicide and you are not saved, you go to Hell. If you commit suicide and are saved you will not go to Hell. You can't lose your salvation because of a sin. Some people say, "Well, you can't ask for forgiveness if you kill yourself, so you go to Hell.". Jesus died for our sins from yesterday today and forever. When you get saved your sins are wiped clean forever. If you had to ask forgiveness for every sin you made, what would happen if you forgot one? We sin and don't even know it at times. Jesus died for us once, you don't become saved lost, saved lost, or get born again again. No one sin is greater than another. If you sin once, you are guilty of all sins. Get saved and you are guilty of no sin. Jesus freed us from sin, not to sin. So, if you think you are going to get saved just so you can run around and act like the Devil, your motives are wrong and you aren't truely saved.
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if you kiill yourself you go in to a box in the ground and cost your family greif and bout $5k to bury your dumb ass
it cost me more than $5k, thanks for your moronic comment. When I need a dicks opinion i'll make sure to look you up.


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it cost me more than $5k, thanks for your moronic comment. When I need a dicks opinion i'll make sure to look you up.
I thought his reason was as good as any reason not to kill yourself. I think your response would've been appropriate had he told someone to kill themself. However, he discouraged it in his own way/words.

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Sleeping with the fish? Wouldn't it be Fishes, Plural. Unless you have a big pond with one fish in it. Wow im sure you have that capability. Do you have any idea how intelligent you sound. Seriously, by reading your petty insults and comments I believe everyones IQ was just lowered some 5 points or so.
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It could be fish or fishes, either way is correct. But at any rate, Jeremy is still an idiot.

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Suicide is not the answer. I think it's the most selfish thing you can do period. I have no remorse for anyone who commits suicide. I had no feeling of grief whatsoever when one of my best friends killed herself. She took away that which only God has the right to take.
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What about the following situation...
Your over in iraq and are in a room about to be captured by knife toting towel heads.They tell you they are going to chop off your head in 1day.You have one bullet.Do you use it on yourself??
Does that make that person a sinner for not wanting to die a painfull death?Does that make that person shelfish for wanting a quick death?
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What about the following situation...
Your over in iraq and are in a room about to be captured by knife toting towel heads.They tell you they are going to chop off your head in 1day.You have one bullet.Do you use it on yourself??
Does that make that person a sinner for not wanting to die a painfull death?Does that make that person shelfish for wanting a quick death?
Reminds me of that cliche...

"There is an exception to every rule".

Personally, I find it horribly selfish. But, I am not a religious person and will refrain from comment as to whether or not I think a person who does it will or will not go to hell.
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What about the following situation...
Your over in iraq and are in a room about to be captured by knife toting towel heads.They tell you they are going to chop off your head in 1day.You have one bullet.Do you use it on yourself??
Does that make that person a sinner for not wanting to die a painfull death?Does that make that person shelfish for wanting a quick death?

Trick question...
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I'd take as many of them out as i can because if I'm going to die I'm going to take someone with me. Once I use that bullet you can bet your ass I'm still going to use the gun to pistol whip the shit out of some of those cockbites.
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what if after you're saved, you later come to reject the ideas of christianity, specifically christ's divinity, etc? I used to be baptist, and born again, but now I don't believe in christ. since my lack of belief is technically a sin, am I saved for having been saved in the past, or am I damned?

also, purgatory is an invention of the catholic church.

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what if after you're saved, you later come to reject the ideas of christianity, specifically christ's divinity, etc? I used to be baptist, and born again, but now I don't believe in christ. since my lack of belief is technically a sin, am I saved for having been saved in the past, or am I damned?
This is a deep topic but maybe the "unpardonable sin" applies here:

Matthew 12:31-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (KJV)

Here is the commentary I found with these verses:

"Now the unpardonable sin is not merely a one time action. The Pharisees, hearts were hard and they repeatedly casted off the works of Jesus as not being of God. Even here they were calling the Spirit of God the spirit of Satan. Once the Pharisees had rejected Jesus as being the Son of God there was no hope for them to receive forgiveness of sins since a person's sins can only be washed away by the blood of Jesus. The same is true for people today who continually reject Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit as not of God."

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I don't think that's the most applicable passage but I agree, you can lose your salvation. If anybody wants 'em, I'll dig up my supporting verses.
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