Originally Posted by 72Comet
This is proof to me that we are in the last days and the deception of the spirit of anti-christ is in full swing.
Then you have absolutely no clue what the spirit of anti-christ is.
Originally Posted by shrp88lx's
1 Thes. 4:15-17
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Im sorry but this verse speaks ONLY of the 2nd coming. When all will be taken up with him.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
These verse say what will happen at the 2nd coming.
No, these happen BEFORE the second coming not AT the second coming. And we are not taken up at the second coming, we come back with Him as mentioned in Jude. At the second coming Jesus sets up His Kingdom here on earth, why would we need to go anywhere? The reason we are raptured before the Day of the Lord is because God has not appointed us unto wrath.(1Th 5:9)
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. FIRST HORSEMAN
And there went out another horse that was
red: and power
was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. SECOND HORSEMAN
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see
thou hurt not the oil and the wine. THIRD HORSEMAN
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.? FOURTH HORSEMAN
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were,
should be fulfilled. MARTYRS
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: COSMIC DISTURBANCES
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? THE DAY OF THE LORD
This is where I believe the rapture happens (it is just my opinion since there is where a great multitude suddenly shows up in heaven in verse 7:9 who are different from the slain souls under the alter because they are standing before the throne and John had no idea who they were). It goes on to mention the Trumpets, Vials and Bowls. Then Jesus is seen coming (second coming) in the clowds with all His saints to execute judgement.