Originally posted by four5.0snomore
1. You cannot take 1 scripture a form any doctrine or foundation, especially one of this size and nature.
Why? I see John 3:16 paraded around all the time.
2. the "this very" definition I could not find in any of my Greek NT tools
It shows you where that reference comes from.
3. even the greek word oikodomeo translated "I will build" carries the conotation of edification or emboldening.
But it says "I will build".. right?
4. Don't forget the idea is to follow Christ, it is not about any man...Paul says, "Follow me as I follow Christ!"
No qualms here - but if you believe as Catholics do - that the Catholic church speaks on behalf of Christ himself - then, neither do they.
5. James was a "pastor" before Peter was a pastor...
Okay.. but what does that have to do with Simon Peter being the first Bishop of Rome?
6. It looks like to Catholic Matt. 16:18 would be a lie, as the gates of hell have infiltrated and won many victories against "their" religion.
Interesting take on that. Since the church is run by men, and all churches are (agree?), and since all men sin, then does that mean that your
church has been infiltrated and defeated by the gates of Hades?
7. where did they get their crazy doctrines from about Mary, repetitive praying, man being able to forgive sins, purgatory, etc...not from Peter!
Who says crazy? You?
Those traditions were in place and practiced by EVERY Christian up through the 1400s. EVERY Christian believed that the Church (before being called Catholic) spoke to mortal men on behalf of Christ, since his physical presence was no longer on the earth. So.. for 1400 years.. there was acceptance of papal infallability and all those other "looney" ideas. At what point did man decide it was okay to divorce and remarry? The Catholic church has been pretty staunch about the meaning of "till death do us part" for 2000 years.. and many other "looney" ideas like that.
Hey, at least they're consistent.
I'm not on either side of this fence, I'm just trying to grasp other Christians' hatred for Catholicism.