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I'm very conflicted about going to see "the passion of christ". In fact I almost flat out think that seeing it would be the wrong thing to do and that it will only affect my relationship with God negatively.

Here's the deal, i dont wanna see it simply because i dont want to get all excited for the passion, and cry, and repent and make a whole bunch of commitments and start praying for reasons other than crying out for help as a last resort, and rededicating my life to christ, and then sharing my love of Christ with others.




























why dont i want to do this???
Because there are already thousands of people doing the same freaking thing, cuz they saw the movie this week, but within a few more weeks, and maybe even days, they will be back on the internet looking at porn, lieing at work and to others about random things, gossiping, thinking about how they want their life to be rather than how God wants their life to be, ETC ETC ETC.

I have been there and done this thing before. and i am positive some if not most of the people reading this thread has done the same.

If i was God the last thing i would want is a bunch of sunny day christians going around acting like they love me and EVEN TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW GOOD THIER GOD IS, only to slip back into the normal routine after a lil while, and pretty much make them look full of crap, and make Christ look like a joke or a peace of chocolate/beer/weed that made them happy for a lil while until the "high" wears off.


yes i realise i am not God, and as a human i have no idea what he thinks.
But its just doesnt make sense to me to insult him with these kind of backstabbing actions.
If i could Be sure that myself/others would not turn back, then i would not be so worried.

dont get me wrong, this is also a great excuse not to try to re-ignite the fire that God once Burnt under my uh,, butt but you have to admit that i have a very valid point.

I do truly hate the fact that i have made these mistakes in the past and i dont want to do it again, if anything for the reason that i am scared of the guilt and depression that settles over me after FLAT OUT LIEING straight to the face of my Savior and the creator of all that is.

my question is, do you feel the same way?? what are your thoughts either way???

i am very interested in your opinions on this subject, otherwise i would not have taken the time to type this out.
thanks
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but you have to admit that i have a very valid point.
No, you point is not valid and your logic is flawed.

You are saying basically that you do not want to take a chance, repent, and follow Jesus Christ because you wil MESS UP. I am sorry to break it to you, but this logic is contradicting the fact you say you are a Christian which means "follower of Christ".

I believe there is something else bothering you, and this is not the central issue at all. I just don't know what it is, yet. Let me know if you know.

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Lee is right. To say that you dont want to take the chance with Christ because you know you will make mistakes in just plain ignorant thinking. We all make mistakes everyday and have even done so since seeing the movie, myslef included. Does that make me a bad person in the sight of God? Not at all, He still loves me and everyone else unconditionally.

You have the idea that being a christian means that you have to be perfect in every way. Jesus is the only one ever to have been perfect, and even though we are to be like Jesus to the best of our ability we still make mistakes, whether it be by an action or a thought, we still make them everyday. God understands the battle that we have with our flesh and He has promised to forgive us of our transgressions if we will only ask Him.

Just because you make a mistake doesn't mean you are wicked, it is because your flesh is weak. Remember, your weak not wicked.

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Lee is right. To say that you dont want to take the chance with Christ because you know you will make mistakes in just plain ignorant thinking. We all make mistakes everyday and have even done so since seeing the movie, myslef included. Does that make me a bad person in the sight of God? Not at all, He still loves me and everyone else unconditionally.

You have the idea that being a christian means that you have to be perfect in every way. Jesus is the only one ever to have been perfect, and even though we are to be like Jesus to the best of our ability we still make mistakes, whether it be by an action or a thought, we still make them everyday. God understands the battle that we have with our flesh and He has promised to forgive us of our transgressions if we will only ask Him.

Just because you make a mistake doesn't mean you are wicked, it is because your flesh is weak. Remember, your weak not wicked.
no, i am wicked, and so are many others, at least im honest. id rather be upfront about my sins and honest with God then make promises i know i cant keep, this is pointless, im done with this forum
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no, i am wicked, and so are many others, at least im honest. id rather be upfront about my sins and honest with God then make promises i know i cant keep, this is pointless, im done with this forum
I am confused here, you say you are interested in our opinion with what you are thinking but then when we speak out you turn and run acting as though you dont want to hear it.

You feel you have to be perfect in order to be a Christian? If that was the case then there would be no Christians in the world and Christianity would have died out 2000 years ago. Dont you believe that the blood of Jesus can cleanse you from all your sins, regardless of how many times you sin?

Again, I say you are weak not wicked. I am up front about my sins, heck, just today I yelled at my daughter and told her that she was stupid. She really isn't stupid she just did something that was stupid. It was a sin because she was offended by it. Does that make me a wicked person? Does that make me want to turn away from Christ?

Your right, none of us are worthy of God and what He has to offer but if we were worthy then there would be no use for Jesus. God accepts and loves us inspite of our faults.

John 3:16 says that God loved us (including yourself) so much gave is only Son that if we would just believe in Him then we can live forever with Him. It says absolutely nothing about being perfect. Even though we may sin from time to time it is the blood of Jesus that washes us and keeps us from the penalty of sin, death.

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no, i am wicked, and so are many others, at least im honest. id rather be upfront about my sins and honest with God then make promises i know i cant keep, this is pointless, im done with this forum
I'm not perfect, hell look at my other posts in this forum. I go from pious to rebellious and then apologetic and then repeat the whole process again. It's expected that we are to fall down, but it's the getting back up that is important.

The love of God is unconditional and your failures or successes do not matter.
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slo, don't give up the forum. Continue to seek the Truth.

No one on this site (or in the world for that matter) can honestly tell you that there was a definitive moment in time where their life went from "non-christian" to "christian". An exact moment, an exact second. A light bulb doesn't come on and you instantly know all the answers.

They'll tell you about the day that they became "born-again". That doesn't mean the totally swapped from a non-christian life to a christian lifestyle. Doesn't happen that way.

In some people, the change is dramatic and swift, for others it is a long process (like mine).

Salvation isn't something you accomplish on your own. Only God can give you salvation. Ask Him for it. As much as every one on this forum will give your their opinion on Salavation and the mechanics behind it, God wants to hear it from you, no one else.

If you truly believe in God, ask him to help, in your own words. Tell Him you understand you are a sinner, will always be a sinner and to save you from your sins. Tell Him you understand Jesus is the Son Of God and that He made the ultimate sacrifice to cover your sins so that you may have a relationship with Him.

Ask Him to help you in your faith. He'll point you in the right direction. Again, it may be a short walk, or, like in my case, a very long walk indeed.

There is only one formula to get Salvation. Ask God for it. There isn't a definitive timeline from asking to the light bulb going off. It is different for all. Anyone that tells you different is ignorant.
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sounds like you're afraid of trying to live that way not because of "failure in god's eyes" but because you don't want to live that way. i only say that because i've done the same things and then thought the same thoughts that i don't want to be a fairweather christian. and....what these other guys are tryin to say is that everyone messes up, everyone slips every now and then, or a lot....but the point is that as long as you confess that he is your Father and that you accept him and want to be saved you will be saved and as time goes by you'll become a better christian and person for that matter and you won't have to think about "oh, i'd better not do this or that" it'll come naturally. then when you do slip up you'll just ask for His forgiveness and it won't be seem as hard as it does now.
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I was baptized somewhere around middle school. The next day I did what middle schoolers do. I didn't realize the profound event that had taken place the day before. I went through high school, doing what HS'ers do, attending church regularly (I had no choice) hanging with my youth group, having sex with girls. Then I went to the military, doing what young guys in the military do, having sex with what ever chick would give it up. Turning nothing down but my collar and I always wore collarless shirts. (That's a joke)

Anyway, it wasn't until around 23yrs old that I started attending church again (on my own accord) and really started meditating on the word. I started seeing God working in my life. I realized that I have't come this far on my own accord. I searched for the answers to my perplexing questions that I had about the Bible. I sinned everyday, I beat myself up about it, everyday. I hated my sins. I didn't realize the covering that I had, being in Christ Jesus. I didn't realize that me accepting him into my heart and being baptized, allowed me to participate in the salvation that Jesus' sacrifice gave me.

So what am I saying? It takes time to become the Christian that you feel you should be. Will you ever be perfect and never sin again? No. Every Christian you see, is struggling with something. Porn, alcohol, cursing, aldultery, fornication, lying..................We try to run from all the things that make the "flesh". I got married and still went to strip clubs, until one day I came home with lipstick on my forehead (I didn't have sex or anything but the stripper kissed me on my forehead) oooops, my wife saw it and was seriously hurt. I felt like crap, it was then that I knew why I should deepen my walk with Christ. The commandments that we are given helps us in life. It's God's blueprint of life in the world he built. I started praying more, I read more, I meditated more, and I started working more in my local church. That's why Jesus died for us. All those things helped me be where I am today.

Am I sinless? No, do I sin less? Yes. MUCH FREAKIN LESS!!!! I was Chief of Sinners.

Some Christians are further along in their walk than others. I'm sorta like Neo when he dodged a few bullets from the agent on the rooftop. I'll can move fast but, not fast enough. Sometimes one bullet still hits me. I'm getting there, though!

Heck just recently I overcame something that has held me down since I was a child.............(mind your business cause I aint tellin)




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Re: do you think this is wrong???

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I'm very conflicted about going to see "the passion of christ". In fact I almost flat out think that seeing it would be the wrong thing to do and that it will only affect my relationship with God negatively.

Here's the deal, i dont wanna see it simply because i dont want to get all excited for the passion, and cry, and repent and make a whole bunch of commitments and start praying for reasons other than crying out for help as a last resort, and rededicating my life to christ, and then sharing my love of Christ with others.

why dont i want to do this???
Because there are already thousands of people doing the same freaking thing, cuz they saw the movie this week, but within a few more weeks, and maybe even days, they will be back on the internet looking at porn, lieing at work and to others about random things, gossiping, thinking about how they want their life to be rather than how God wants their life to be, ETC ETC ETC.

I have been there and done this thing before. and i am positive some if not most of the people reading this thread has done the same.

If i was God the last thing i would want is a bunch of sunny day christians going around acting like they love me and EVEN TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW GOOD THIER GOD IS, only to slip back into the normal routine after a lil while, and pretty much make them look full of crap, and make Christ look like a joke or a peace of chocolate/beer/weed that made them happy for a lil while until the "high" wears off.


yes i realise i am not God, and as a human i have no idea what he thinks.
But its just doesnt make sense to me to insult him with these kind of backstabbing actions.
If i could Be sure that myself/others would not turn back, then i would not be so worried.

dont get me wrong, this is also a great excuse not to try to re-ignite the fire that God once Burnt under my uh,, butt but you have to admit that i have a very valid point.

I do truly hate the fact that i have made these mistakes in the past and i dont want to do it again, if anything for the reason that i am scared of the guilt and depression that settles over me after FLAT OUT LIEING straight to the face of my Savior and the creator of all that is.

my question is, do you feel the same way?? what are your thoughts either way???

i am very interested in your opinions on this subject, otherwise i would not have taken the time to type this out.
thanks
I think you just need to punch the "Evil One" in the face and quit having him bringing up your past guilt, sin and dispair up in your face. I think from what I have read about you is that maybe confession is what you need. Let Christ take off that heavy burden your are carrying and give it to Christ. After all, that is why He died for you. Go see the movie, repent and confess, dont look again at your past, at each forgiveness you are made new. If you are afraid of others bringing you back down? then get into a group that will bring you up. (Birds of the feather flock together) But unless you confess, you will never be free from sin. Best advice I can give
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Heck just recently I overcame something that has held me down since I was a child.............(mind your business cause I aint tellin)
Telling other people that they're going to hell?
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Telling other people that they're going to hell?

Since some folks can't handle the truth, I have resorted to just telling people that they are on Hell St.
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