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5.0 cams

well guys i do have a full exhaust----i bought the car with BBK uneven shorties to straight pipe through dynamax bullits

it sounds alright but i want something meaner like long-tubes coming in the taxes

but my auestion is --- how would the basic E303 cam work with my otherwise stock setup--but i do plan to put 373 gears in soon also
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It's just as easy to spell words correctly as it is incorrectly. If speaking english correctly is reserved for english class, I missed the memo.
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none of this helps!!! haha wish I could

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An E- cam won't do you any good with stock heads. Alphabet cams are rarely a good cam to run, and running any cam is useless on stock heads.

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An E- cam won't do you any good with stock heads. Alphabet cams are rarely a good cam to run, and running any cam is useless on stock heads.
That's funny..I gained 20+ horse when I went E-cam with stock heads.
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yea but who puts a letter cam in there daily driver with the intention to turbo it and make 1000hp
a bunch of folks all across the good ol' USA apparently? it's just like this,if you can get the letter cam for alot cheaper then go for it,custom cams really and truely only come into play most when your trying to nickel and dime HP! if I can spend that extra $150-$200 that you would normally pay for that great ol' custom cam somewhere else(suspension,fuel,ignition,dyno time,track time)then thats where my hard earned cash will go!

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An E- cam won't do you any good with stock heads. Alphabet cams are rarely a good cam to run, and running any cam is useless on stock heads.
LOL! maybe you should pay more attention to people who have dynoed there car before and after they put in those "junk letter cam's" maybe you two can go and tell the rest of dfwstangs not to buy letter cams cause' there just junk better used to hit people with?

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and running any cam is useless on stock heads.

Even a stock one??? WOW - your engines must mysteriously activate the valves thru sheer will!


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You're right, it makes a marginal difference, which I don't believe is offest by the time, cost and effort.

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LOL! maybe you should pay more attention to people who have dynoed there car before and after they put in those "junk letter cam's" maybe you two can go and tell the rest of dfwstangs not to buy letter cams cause' there just junk better used to hit people with?
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true but for 10-20 hp more sometimes just doesn't warrant the extra $150-$200 more they are?

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true but for 10-20 hp more sometimes just doesn't warrant the extra $150-$200 more they are?
You should start with a decent set of heads, you know that. I wasn't trying to say that it was completely worthless from a power standpoint, but rather that he should spend his money more wisely at this point. Unless you're in a class that's restricted to stock heads or something along those lines, I don't see the point in trying to put an aftermarket cam on a stock headed car when that money could go towards building an actual combo with a good set of heads. Maybe I should have worded it better.

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You should start with a decent set of heads, you know that. I wasn't trying to say that it was completely worthless from a power standpoint, but rather that he should spend his money more wisely at this point. Unless you're in a class that's restricted to stock heads or something along those lines, I don't see the point in trying to put an aftermarket cam on a stock headed car when that money could go towards building an actual combo with a good set of heads. Maybe I should have worded it better.
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I have a B cam with stock heads, and really don't like it. I bought a Trick Flow stage 1 cam, we'll see how it works. I wish I could afford a set of heads.

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I have a B cam with stock heads, and really don't like it. I bought a Trick Flow stage 1 cam, we'll see how it works. I wish I could afford a set of heads.

Quit buying cams and invest in a cheap ass set of iron gt-40's.

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An E cam in your setup will work fine. You'll need to take care of some minor vaccuum problems after installation. And always recommended is to use roller rockers and some better springs.

I have a Crane Cam in my engine. You might do some research and decide if there are more streetable versions of a camshaft to fit your needs, as an E cam has a pretty lopey idle.
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I've got the TFS stage 1....and have idle issues...

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You should start with a decent set of heads, you know that. I wasn't trying to say that it was completely worthless from a power standpoint, but rather that he should spend his money more wisely at this point. Unless you're in a class that's restricted to stock heads or something along those lines, I don't see the point in trying to put an aftermarket cam on a stock headed car when that money could go towards building an actual combo with a good set of heads. Maybe I should have worded it better.
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Ive ran E and B cams and have never ever liked either one of them, but have buddies who love them. In most all my mild 302 heads cam intake bolt on cars Ive run F cams, and love it. The cam has always been nitrous happy, and on motor Ive always been n the 12.00 range, and on the bottle(100-150) in the very low 11.20ish range depending on what kit was used. I think its Brent over on Turbomustangs that made over 1100rwhp with his F cam. I had a f cam in my 347 back in the day with 1.7 rockers and that car was running low 11s all motor. That old school technology may be that old, but it is proven technology. There are guys like Ed Curtis who can whip up great cams for guys and make them run faster and make more hp, But Ive also seen guys use his cams and loose hp and tq over there alphabet cams, and it took Ed several trys to make it right. At over $300 a cam, thats an expensive learning lesson. I know my buddy had a custom Grind cam made by Bennet that fucking sucked, and even Ed said wtf were they thinking making this pos cam. The car ran faster with an F cam in it.
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Ive ran E and B cams and have never ever liked either one of them, but have buddies who love them. In most all my mild 302 heads cam intake bolt on cars Ive run F cams, and love it. The cam has always been nitrous happy, and on motor Ive always been n the 12.00 range, and on the bottle(100-150) in the very low 11.20ish range depending on what kit was used. I think its Brent over on Turbomustangs that made over 1100rwhp with his F cam. I had a f cam in my 347 back in the day with 1.7 rockers and that car was running low 11s all motor. That old school technology may be that old, but it is proven technology. There are guys like Ed Curtis who can whip up great cams for guys and make them run faster and make more hp, But Ive also seen guys use his cams and loose hp and tq over there alphabet cams, and it took Ed several trys to make it right. At over $300 a cam, thats an expensive learning lesson. I know my buddy had a custom Grind cam made by Bennet that fucking sucked, and even Ed said wtf were they thinking making this pos cam. The car ran faster with an F cam in it.


Good post. Like said above, just because they are old doen't mean they suck. I guess something like the solid cam that came in the LS6 Chevelle sucked because it's old technology. Not saying they're aren't better. Like said above, they have their applications.

To say: "Letter cams suck" with no reasoning is stupid. If you comment towards a newb or someone needing help on here, at least try to steer them in an appropriate direction, instead of bagging on them. We were all un-informed once too.

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Fairmont351w and Fordblue625 are camshaft experts - they don't run anything technology wise that is older than they are...they are on the cutting edge!


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Fairmont351w and Fordblue625 are camshaft experts - they don't run anything technology wise that is older than they are...they are on the cutting edge!


You two guys need to unplug from the internet and focus on graduating from college...get your degrees and then MAYBE people will take what you have to say seriously
Good luck convincing anyone who knows shit about camshafts that the ford alphabet cams are the best grind for most applications. I'd love to know what you do or know that makes you any more of an expert on the subject than I am. I'm not getting a degree that has anything to do with camshafts, so why does my college degree have a damn thing to do with who will take me seriously? Do a search on here for alphabet cams and see how many people agree with me on the subject. You can't argue that a custom cam will outperform an off the shelf cam all day, and for the $150 more that they cost, it's always worth it. So please, let me know what qualifies you to make a judgement, dipshit.

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Good luck convincing anyone who knows shit about camshafts that the ford alphabet cams are the best grind for most applications. I'd love to know what you do or know that makes you any more of an expert on the subject than I am. I'm not getting a degree that has anything to do with camshafts, so why does my college degree have a damn thing to do with who will take me seriously? Do a search on here for alphabet cams and see how many people agree with me on the subject. You can't argue that a custom cam will outperform an off the shelf cam all day, and for the $150 more that they cost, it's always worth it. So please, let me know what qualifies you to make a judgement, dipshit.

This is just my oppinion here bud, but Id say 95% of these people who put down these ABC cams have never had there cars on a chassis dyno to see what the motor makes, have never once dyno'd a car before and after to see if the custom grind or newer cams work better, and most all go by someone elses hearsay alone.

Ive personaly had my cars on our inhouse chassis dyno many many times, and only a few times have I seen a custom grind cam be worth the money spent. spending several hundred dollars more on a Ed Curtis cam to gain 5-15 hp is not worht the money. Hell Ive seen several mustangs loose power and tq cause of some shitty Bennet cam, and saw one car loose a lot of hp from an anderson Ford custom grind.

With all the 347s and shit running around now, its pretty hard to use some old school cam in those, but they still work well in the 302 cars. I have seen a lot of cars run like ass from B cams though, and lots of guys putting E cams in bone stock 302 cars for no reason but to have the sound. seems like a big waste of time to me
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This is just my oppinion here bud, but Id say 95% of these people who put down these ABC cams have never had there cars on a chassis dyno to see what the motor makes, have never once dyno'd a car before and after to see if the custom grind or newer cams work better, and most all go by someone elses hearsay alone.

Ive personaly had my cars on our inhouse chassis dyno many many times, and only a few times have I seen a custom grind cam be worth the money spent. spending several hundred dollars more on a Ed Curtis cam to gain 5-15 hp is not worht the money. Hell Ive seen several mustangs loose power and tq cause of some shitty Bennet cam, and saw one car loose a lot of hp from an anderson Ford custom grind.

With all the 347s and shit running around now, its pretty hard to use some old school cam in those, but they still work well in the 302 cars. I have seen a lot of cars run like ass from B cams though, and lots of guys putting E cams in bone stock 302 cars for no reason but to have the sound. seems like a big waste of time to me
I'd say 95% of the people who praise the ABC cams haven't had them on a chassis dyno either. Any cam can run like shit if used in the wrong combo, and some cams like the alphabet cam make good power in the right combo's. An E-cam in a stock headed car seems like a waste of money to me, even if you do see marginal gains when you could be saving to actually make the car fast.

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I'd say 95% of the people who praise the ABC cams haven't had them on a chassis dyno either. Any cam can run like shit if used in the wrong combo, and some cams like the alphabet cam make good power in the right combo's. An E-cam in a stock headed car seems like a waste of money to me, even if you do see marginal gains when you could be saving to actually make the car fast.


Agreed, id rather put a 150 shot on a stock motor and see real gains
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This is just my oppinion here bud, but Id say 95% of these people who put down these ABC cams have never had there cars on a chassis dyno to see what the motor makes, have never once dyno'd a car before and after to see if the custom grind or newer cams work better, and most all go by someone elses hearsay alone.

Ive personaly had my cars on our inhouse chassis dyno many many times, and only a few times have I seen a custom grind cam be worth the money spent. spending several hundred dollars more on a Ed Curtis cam to gain 5-15 hp is not worht the money. Hell Ive seen several mustangs loose power and tq cause of some shitty Bennet cam, and saw one car loose a lot of hp from an anderson Ford custom grind.

With all the 347s and shit running around now, its pretty hard to use some old school cam in those, but they still work well in the 302 cars. I have seen a lot of cars run like ass from B cams though, and lots of guys putting E cams in bone stock 302 cars for no reason but to have the sound. seems like a big waste of time to me
well said,well said!Clapping Hands

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That's the gayest smiley I've ever seen.
i'm not sure why the smiley doesn't move but the gayest smiley anybody really has ever seen is the one of you!

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I actually gained 27rwhp ans 22tq by adding my Frpp X303 cam to my H/C/I stock block combo! looking to see if I still have my dyno sheet! I also dynoed 526rwhp on spray!

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I actually gained 27rwhp ans 22tq by adding my Frpp X303 cam to my H/C/I stock block combo! looking to see if I still have my dyno sheet! I also dynoed 526rwhp on spray!
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i'm not sure why the smiley doesn't move but the gayest smiley anybody really has ever seen is the one of you!
The gif moves for me...

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well damn,on my screen it's not moving at all?

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motors make more hp without a cam, its less rotating mass
I'm not listening to you anymore, Spoon says you haven't graduated from college yet so you can't know a damn thing about cam technology.

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who is spoon? and i was joking
I know you were joking, so was I. Spoon is the toolbag who posted up earlier in the thread on page 1.

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