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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-29-2002, 12:23 PM Thread Starter
 
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needing opionions

preferbaly first hand opionions but any will do

supplements
what kind?
did it work?
side effects?
what do you prefer?

I'm looking for something to help me burn fat a gain muscle.
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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-29-2002, 05:14 PM
 
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Being natural I have only used these 3 supplements:
eca stack
multivitamin
protien shakes
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EAS PhosphegenHP, worked in the past for me, I just started using it again 2 weeks ago, still too early to see any results. ive no side effects.
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Your number one supplement should be a good, calorie dense, nutrient rich diet. There is no replacement or supplement for that. For gaining, Phosphagen works well, all be it a bit pricey. If you do decide to use that (or any other creatine based supplement) you'll need to do without any ECA's, as caffiene negates the effects of creatine. Protien is also a necessity on the supplement list, as it's quite difficult to fill your needs (atleast 1 gram per pound of bodyweight) through natural sources.

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what about hydroxcut and nitro-tech
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just started hydoxycut and Nitro-tech protien bars today.

nitro bar
protein- 32 grams
fat - 6 grams
carbs - 7grams
-taste ok

If anyone has tried these let me know. Or a opioion on these good or bad let me know. If not i will keep informed if they work
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just started hydoxycut and Nitro-tech protien bars today.

nitro bar
protein- 32 grams
fat - 6 grams
carbs - 7grams
-taste ok

If anyone has tried these let me know. Or a opioion on these good or bad let me know. If not i will keep informed if they work
Make sure you drink plenty of water! Nothing worse than protein induced constipation!

Are you using the bars as *snacks* or meal replacement? I use the Power Bar Hi-Protein bars (24 grams p, 36 g carbs), but I need dem carbs. EAS makes some hi-protein bars as well, that mimic the content of the nitro bar. EAS Cookies&Cream is ok in the taste category. You may want to price shop, as I think either the Nitro or EAS bar is going to give you the same benefit.

The other reason I opt for the Power Bar is because I can get them at Sams for about 1.40 a bar.

EAS also make a pre-made shake that is about the same make up as their bar. My mom was using them when she had some serious dental surgery and couldn't chew for a couple of days. She said they tasted really good.
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post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-01-2002, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
 
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as fat as water.
- I go threw about 15 24oz jugs a day

Also im tring to keep my carbs down to about 30% until i hit the wait i want.

The bars are being used as snacks in between meals

but thanks and i will look at the other bars

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i heard good carbs come from green vegies (but the only one i found so far i can stomach is green beans) any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated

once again thanks whitecobra
-you and playahata have helped alot

after 3 1/2 weeks know i am at 201-202 in weight from 215
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i heard good carbs come from green vegies (but the only one i found so far i can stomach is green beans) any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Congrats man, you are on the path. Here are some desirable carbs:

apple, asparagus, broccoli, cantaloupe, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, grapefruit, grapes, green pepper, kidney beans, lettuce, mushrooms, oatmeal, onion, orange, peach, pear, peas, spinach, string beans, tomato.

Less desirable:
Bagel, banana, bread, carrots, cereal, corn, granola, muffin, pasta, popcorn, potato, raisins (run away from these!, 115 grams carbs per cup), rice, rice cakes, rolls, tortilla.

The "desirable" ones are fiber rich that don't effect blood sugar levels as quickly, or as much, as less desirable list.

The list comes from the "Complete Book Of Swimming" and is based on the "Zone Diet" I believe.
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thanks that gives me alot more to eat
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I dont know if i am getting enough carbs

this is what i have been eating

-take serving of hydroxcut
breakfast: 2 egg whites and 1 whole egg (boiled)
snack: nitro tech bar on 7grams of carbs
-take serving of hydroxcut
lunch: roastbeef sandwich on no fat pita bread about 22 carbs
snack: not doing but i think either a apple or myoplex type drink
dinner: chicken breast and veggie

i work out after lunch and before dinner. I will be working out after the 2nd:snack next week. Does this sound ok?

also my workout

mon and thursday (chest and back) 5set 8reps high weight for me
tues and fri (arms and shoulders) 5set 8reps high weight for me
wed and sat (legs) 5set 8reps high weight for me

cardio
mon,tues,thursday,fri (walk 1 mile and jog 1 mile)
wed and sat (spairing, boxing type junk)


any suggestions on anything will be greatly appreciated
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I dont know if i am getting enough carbs

this is what i have been eating

-take serving of hydroxcut
breakfast: 2 egg whites and 1 whole egg (boiled)
snack: nitro tech bar on 7grams of carbs
-take serving of hydroxcut
lunch: roastbeef sandwich on no fat pita bread about 22 carbs
snack: not doing but i think either a apple or myoplex type drink
dinner: chicken breast and veggie

i work out after lunch and before dinner. I will be working out after the 2nd:snack next week. Does this sound ok?

also my workout

mon and thursday (chest and back) 5set 8reps high weight for me
tues and fri (arms and shoulders) 5set 8reps high weight for me
wed and sat (legs) 5set 8reps high weight for me

cardio
mon,tues,thursday,fri (walk 1 mile and jog 1 mile)
wed and sat (spairing, boxing type junk)


any suggestions on anything will be greatly appreciated
Look at the labels and put your macronutrient/calorie breakdown on paper, that's the best way to know exactly how many calories you are getting. It doesn't hurt to plan your menus a few days in advance either, as quick, un-planned choices can lead to bad choices if you allow the opportunity.

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Look at the labels and put your macronutrient/calorie breakdown on paper, that's the best way to know exactly how many calories you are getting. It doesn't hurt to plan your menus a few days in advance either, as quick, un-planned choices can lead to bad choices if you allow the opportunity.
what about carbs?
-I understand about calories just tring to makes sure i am comsuming enough carbs

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what about carbs?
-I understand about calories just tring to makes sure i am comsuming enough carbs

rdg
That's what I meant by telling you to watch your macronutrient breakdown. Your macronutrients being Protien, Carbs, and Fat. With it down on paper you'll know exactly how much of each you are eating and can adjust from there.

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post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-06-2002, 06:49 AM Thread Starter
 
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thanks for all the help guys.

Know at 198 from 215. So your advice with a little bit of research and change for my metablism is working. I hope to be at 190 by sept 7. We will see. Once again thanks.
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60% carbs, 20% protein, 20% fats of total Calories.
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60% carbs, 20% protein, 20% fats of total Calories.
Not for losing weight while wmaintaining lean mass, I'd suggest a bit more protien than that. More like 55%protien, 35% carbs, 10%fat (non-saturated). Play with your carbs and protien to keep your metabolism guessing, but don't up the fat until you are at a comfortable weight.

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