Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land." Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said,"Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the Promised Land." Now Obama has stolen your shovel..., taxed your asses, raised the price of camels and mortgaged the Promised Land!
Havoc is Epistane. A pro hormone.
The problem with epistane is getting good raws from oversides. It's hit and miss. So even if you have a bottle from the same company, it could be weak or trash compared to a different run that was good. Epistane started as an Anti Estrogen product believe it or not. It's a mild PH.
You'll have better results with Tren, Phera, or Superdrol which are all stronger PH's. If you've never ran one please study up on how to do it safely or ask...