Originally Posted by The Big Matt
I disagree to a point. Sure the hard work is doing it's job, but there's no doubt that the prohormones are giving a boost. It's like saying, "I wish that guy doing the Winny/Decca would compare to someone not using, with the same size, bf, ect..."
There is no comparison...I look at all forms of PH, juice, or HGH as a form of cheating.
It's just how I see it and how I feel about it.
Then again, I ONLY train with people that are on the real stuff.
Otherwise, the rest of them cluckers just quit on me(no dedication).
No doubt that it "helps", but what I was getting at...is HOW MUCH it really helps compared to training the exact same way without it.
Let's say for example, you gain 30lbs on it, what's to say someone not taking wouldn't be able to gain 20lbs without it.
The drug didn't gain 30lbs on a cycle, it "helped" gain 10lbs.
Get what I'm saying or wishing we could test.