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Lets talk FAT BURNERS!!!!!

Alright, here is the deal.
I am on Trn-X and Halovar now. After my cylce i want to start taking
a fat burner. However, there are tons of products out there. Which
one is best and why?

I dont like the zombie feeling, I dont like jitters. I may have a slight anxiety issue,
so what would work best for hecdoggie?
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Alright, here is the deal.
I am on Trn-X and Halovar now. After my cylce i want to start taking
a fat burner. However, there are tons of products out there. Which
one is best and why?

I dont like the zombie feeling, I dont like jitters. I may have a slight anxiety issue,
so what would work best for hecdoggie?
Im on hydroxycut hardcore, and i've been on it for about a month and i've lost 17 lbs so far..... Thats considering that i still drink beer, and really eat whatever i want.....

No jitters, or anything weird, damn pills just work....

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Im on hydroxycut hardcore, and i've been on it for about a month and i've lost 17 lbs so far..... Thats considering that i still drink beer, and really eat whatever i want.....

No jitters, or anything weird, damn pills just work....
SHould work bad ass for me as i do not drink and i eat right...

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it does work.... but i quit taking it after my bottle was up... started making the heart sore,,, but the shit works
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I dont like the zombie feeling, I dont like jitters. I may have a slight anxiety issue,
so what would work best for hecdoggie?

Saying that, you need the ALRI Venom Hyperdrive. It's the #1 selling weight loss/energy pill right now.

Here is the write up....


Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ 90 caps
WARNING:

If you are under 21 years of age, stick with ephedra and candy...

Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ is for Adults 21 or over only!

Okay, before anyone panics and sends us nasty e-mails, ALR Industries Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ has all of the same ingredients and amounts as the original Venom™…we just added two compounds. Of course it is a better product, but the other big plus is that, due to our ability to produce much larger volume, we have been able to make it more cost effective and pass the savings on to our customers. In short, thanks for loving the product.

Hey, Wanna Wear Your Clothes Like A Second Skin?

Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ from ALR Industries is a supplement designed for adults age 21 or over only. This is a product created for those adults who need the best environment for extreme energy and fat modulation for dramatic results through responsible application of a highly advanced formula.

Directions: As a supplement begin by taking one (1) capsule first thing in the morning with food for first 2-3 days before progressing to one to two (1-2) capsules once daily(preferably in the morning…unless you are working the night shift) Always take this supplement with food and do not exceed recommended supplemental dosages.

*Most report a single morning dosage with food is all they need for optimal energy levels and fat modulation synergy the entire day.

So What Sets Venom™ Apart From the Rest?

Anyone can mix a bunch of compounds or herbs together and shove it into a capsule. All too often this is followed by ads that promise the world but deliver next to nothing. This is not to say that all products in this category are bad, just that “some” create doubt upon those that perform as intended. So let’s look at the research supporting the value of the synergistic ingredients formulated for Venom™.

Cocoamine™ (Only From ALR Industries) Cocoamine™ is trademarked and patent pending proprietary unique cocoa extract that provides the health benefits of chocolate without any of the unhealthy ingredients (you know, like sugar and fat).

Please do not confuse Cocoamine™ with the patented ingredient Chocomine™. Our Cocoamine™ is a unique matrix standardized for nearly 98% actives. Try it before you judge it!

Cocoamine™ contains several natural occurring substrates, including methylxanthines (theobromine, caffeine, and theophylline), biogenic-amines (phenylethylamine, tyramine, octopamine and synephrines), amino acids (phenylalanine, tryptophan, tyrosine, others), minerals (with a high content of magnesium) and several beneficial antioxidants.

*You may think you have used a product similar to this, but one dose of Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ will show you how wrong you are. (Please start with only one capsule!)

Phenylethylamine (PEA) is a naturally occurring endogenous neuroamine that increases attention and activity in animals as well as humans and has been studied for its ability to relieve depression in 60% of depressed patients. It has been proposed that PEA deficit may be the cause of a common form of depression. It is also your body’s most powerful natural stimulant. Interesting is that PEA improves mood as rapidly as amphetamine but does not produce tolerance. Okay, natural PEA good and amphetamine is bad. Though they share many common positive affects, the latter is not a good option due its own negative affects. Got it?

Another interesting reality found in PEA research is its unique ability to stimulate striatal acetylcholine release. Big deal? Well, this neurotransmitter positively affects everything from libido to the sense of hunger with benefits to mood, focus and stress. Okay, and a positive effect upon erectile function has been noted in other studies. Big deal? You call it.

Caffeine is an interesting and well know compound, certainly nothing new to the supplement industry. But there is some valuable research that shows a lot of potential benefits. Yes, everyone already knows that it is noted as a compound that increases energy significantly.

In one rat study and several human studies, caffeine has show to have appetite suppressive value. Naturally most dieters cheat and can use all the will power they can get.

Another study has shown caffeine to decrease fat redeposit and aid thermogenesis through fat oxidation. In part this appears to result in suppressed leptin (you know, the fat regulating hormone)

Tyramine, Octopamine and Synephrines all have a positive effect upon beta-3 receptors thus increasing the rate of thermogenesis and metabolic rate. Many have compared the affects to those of ephedra mostly in a positive sense. Let me explain that a little better.

Several studies have found that patients who achieve only a small weight loss during dietary therapy, and have a tendency for weight regain, are characterized by lower energy expenditure, lower sympathetic activity, and a reduced ability to mobilize fat stores, compared with patients who are more successful at losing weight. (gee, really?)

It is reasonable to improve or normalize these traits by supporting the dietary approach with pharmacological/nutracuetical manipulation of central and peripheral pathways. Agents that stimulate adrenergic neurons are particularly suitable because they offer mechanisms for temporarily inhibiting hunger and for stimulating energy expenditure, lipolysis and fat oxidation. Interesting enough is that our bodies and diet can do this in a minimal way already…which means minimal results for your efforts. Supplementing these pathways with Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ has the obvious affect…super charged results.

How (Science Geek Answer)?

Sympathomimetic compounds can reduce appetite and increase energy expenditure. Energy expenditure can be increased by 5-10% via stimulation of a combination of beta-adrenoceptors; beta3-adrenoceptors may predominate during chronic use. This increased energy expenditure increases the relative proportion of fat oxidation; as this is not fully compensated by increased energy intake, a negative energy balance occurs. This mechanism may be responsible for the long-term weight loss efficiency of agents like, ephedra, octopamine, tyramine and synephrines.

Noteworthy, the elevated plasma insulin of obese rats was lowered by octopamine. One study showed that octopamine can reduce body weight gain in obese rats, without apparent adverse effects, but with less efficacy than beta3-AR agonists.

Both individually and combined the combination of these multiple ingredients produces a unique effect. Research has substantiated the many positive user feed-back factoids about Cocoamine™, including increased energy, appetite suppression, lipolysis (fat burning), improved mood, improved concentration, increased alertness, improved physical performance, aphrodisiac properties, and health benefits. When correctly processed, all of these benefits become a reality. Naturally this discussion is based upon the research sites listed at the end. (When I am done babbling)

So What Else Is In It?

The need for extreme appetite suppression seems to be a large factor in the out come of any diet intended to help lose body fat. So we added hoodia. One study appears to have explained why people report long term hunger suppression with the use of hoodia. It seems likely that increased ATP content/production in the hypothalamus may be a signal for energy-sensing of satiety.

Next we included 5-HTP which acts as a precursor for serotonin (mood enhancement), R-ALA (R-Alpha Lipoic Acid) to aid in insulin mediation, guggul sterone extracts to support thyroid activity, Rhodiola to increase support for ATP and cAMP production, B vitamins to support energy pathways and capsiate for thermogenesis, lypolysis and anti-oxidant value.

Okay, Capsiate is kind of cool so I want to say a little more about it. Everyone in hard core bodybuilding has heard of the fat loss compound DNP. Well, it works by making the mitochondria burn more calories in effort to make ATP by uncoupling the process with a compound called UCP-1 and UPC-2 thus dramatically increasing calorie expenditure…and it is very dangerous. Better options?

It’s All About Synergy

A single dose of capsiate temporarily raised both UCP1 mRNA in brown adipose tissue and UCP3 mRNA in skeletal muscle. These results suggest that UCP1 and UCP2 may contribute to the promotion of energy metabolism by capsiate, but that thyroid hormones do not. In short, a smarter and naturally occurring option. Yes, both human and rat studies.

What Did We Add To The Original Intense Formula?

Propionyl-L-Carnitine Ethyl Ester: Regular L-carnitine is a wonderful amino acid that positively affects mitochondrial function and supports fat oxidation via carnitine shuttle. However, propionyl-l-carnitine (PLC) is a completely new animal with much more far reaching potential for ergogenic benefits than its more basic cousin. Used medically to treat heart problems and improve blood flow in the body, PLC has been shown to increase mental function, enhance overall energy, hasten oxidation of both glucose and lactate, push more glycogen into muscles, and lengthen the time to muscular fatigue. These effects mean just one thing to the hard training bodybuilder or athlete and dieting world…you can train harder, longer, and will recover better from each gut-busting workout! Ok, so that’s a few things…but even better! Oh yeah, did I mention Ethyl Ester technology? Duh. Esters can increase oral bioavailability by as much as 400% and propionyl-l-carnitine needed to be far more oral friendly…so we created Propionyl-L-Carnitine Ethyl Ester and added it to our energy oriented goodies.

Tyrosine Ethyl Ester: This is an obvious one. Tyrosine is an amino acid your body uses as a substrate to make active fat burning, metabolic rate governing thyroid hormones. When you diet your thyroid hormone production decreases which means it is harder to lose fat but you have muscle wastes away. Tyrosine for thyroid hormone function support is a no-brainer. Unfortunately oral tyrosine administration has poor bioavailability…did I mention esters having up to 400% better oral bioavailability?

Sum It Up?

Sometimes all of the right ingredients can be in a product but the correct amounts and standardization can blow the whole out come. It is all about the correct amounts of each substrate and that each acts in synergy with one another…without counteracting another…that makes the product gold or a rip-off.

Get what you pay for and try ALR Industries Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™…but please follow directions. We do things right.

Let Us Know How We did!

By The Way…Why Do Almost All Fat Loss Systems Fail?

Pretty simple really…

Come on now. Everyone wants to see what’s under that extra fat layer, but when we first start dieting (restricting our calorie intake) and augment the amount of calories we burn (by increasing exercise), everything goes great…for about the first week. Then, like most human’s on the planet, we start getting hungry (like eating a whole wedding cake at 3 AM type hungry) and run out of energy.

So, in short, you crave food and have no interest in doing anything that requires any energy unless it somehow involves that wedding cake and a gallon of milk. (ya, I know, no fat people jokes)

So What Do We Need To Succeed?

First, we need to clean up our diets by dropping sugars, alcohol, and excessive fatty foods (Okay, at least consume them only in moderation).

Second, we need to put together a training program that increases the number of calories we burn per day.

Last, we need to do something about that “Commit felonies for a wedding cake but too lazy to do so” feeling that always hits us like a ton of lard after the first week of lower calories! And a dramatic increase in metabolic rate (increased calorie expenditure) certainly would make the whole deal more worth while, huh?

ALR Industries Venom Hyperdive 3.0 has that covered!

Suggested use: As a dietary supplement test your tolerance by taking one (1) capsule in the morning with food for the first 7 to 10 days. After tolerance test, you may consider taking one (1) capsule to two (2) capsules, one (1) time daily with eight (8) ounces of water with food. DO NOT TAKE AFTER 5PM. MAY CAUSE SLEEPLESSNESS. DO NOT EXCEED TWO (2) CAPSULES DAILY.

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Do these "fat burners" just speed up metabolism, or do they really have something that helps them shrink the fat cells?

I really want to get rid of this last 5-8lbs of fat around my stomach. Im doing the diet 1800ish calories along with cardio or lifting 6 days a week. I can tell I have lost a bit of the fat in my stomach but Im getting impatient

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Best fat burner. Get your ass out side and run for 30 min to 1 hour a day.

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Best fat burner. Get your ass out side and run for 30 min to 1 hour a day.
Thats too much running , that will break down muscle, i am trying to add lean muscle and cut up....

That much cardio/running would be good for someone overweight, i am not overweight.

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Thats too much running , that will break down muscle, i am trying to add lean muscle and cut up....
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Hmm, considering that Venom one. Any guys here have high blood pressure and still take any of these?

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Thats too much running , that will break down muscle, i am trying to add lean muscle and cut up....

That much cardio/running would be good for someone overweight, i am not overweight.
I dropped from a "not fat" 219lbs down to 194lbs in two months by eating right and running for 45-60 minutes, 4-5 mornings a week. Strenght dipped a little, but I was back up to repping 315 on the bench in a matter of two weeks after bringing my calories back up. Sounds to me like you are looking for an excuse to be lazy... The only "fat burners" that I know of that will bur fat whil you sit on your ass are either prescription only, or illegal all together. They are called dietary supplements, not exercise instread of's.

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Hmm, considering that Venom one. Any guys here have high blood pressure and still take any of these?

I wouldnt recommend any stim with high BP however there is a guy here at work that loves it and is on BP meds. haha

Good luck finding the Venom Hyperdrive. It's been on backorder for weeks now. I may have some coming in next week. Maybe....

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Good luck finding the Venom Hyperdrive. It's been on backorder for weeks now. I may have some coming in next week. Maybe....
If this foot will ever heal, I may pick some up from you. There's no sense in taking it now though, while I can't even run.

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If this foot will ever heal, I may pick some up from you. There's no sense in taking it now though, while I can't even run.

I tell you what, i took (1) this morning and im feeling good. I cant explain it. It's not a wirey, jittery, feeling. I love the way it makes me feel. I'd take one everyday if it didnt make me not eat. Almost like a weak form of an Ecstasy pill for me at least. haha

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Has anyone had any experience with Drenbuterol? I have recently started taking it, but it just doesn't seem to be any better than one extra cup of coffee from my norm. While working out, it seems hit or miss with motivation. IF I manage to get into a workout while it's working then it works pretty good, but if I catch it otherwise I just lose all motivation to workout at that time and have to try again later.

I'm just wondering if it's something I'm doing or if it's the supplements.

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I tell you what, i took (1) this morning and im feeling good. I cant explain it. It's not a wirey, jittery, feeling. I love the way it makes me feel. I'd take one everyday if it didnt make me not eat. Almost like a weak form of an Ecstasy pill for me at least. haha
Sounds like adderall...haha

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I tell you what, i took (1) this morning and im feeling good. I cant explain it. It's not a wirey, jittery, feeling. I love the way it makes me feel. I'd take one everyday if it didnt make me not eat. Almost like a weak form of an Ecstasy pill for me at least. haha
That was the one thing I liked about that stuff for the short time I took it, I could actually pay attention in lecture. Its like it cured my ADD. Just to bad I could not deal with it and cardio.

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I tell you what, i took (1) this morning and im feeling good. I cant explain it. It's not a wirey, jittery, feeling. I love the way it makes me feel. I'd take one everyday if it didnt make me not eat. Almost like a weak form of an Ecstasy pill for me at least. haha
Greg, I agree 100 percent.

Guys coming form a lazy guy at heart, and self diagnosed with Adult ADD. The Venom Hyperdrive has changed that a lot. I feel I've got the energy I've been lacking, I'm more focused on the tasks in front of me, and I get a lot more done in the day. Usually I'd come home from work, and lay down for a bit of a nap, then go out til 2-3am, get hammered, pass out, wake up around 9-10, stumble in the office, and repeat.

Honestly with the Hyperdrive and the Lean Dreams, and of course cutting back the drinking and a good diet and exercise program, all that has changed. I'm up every morning around 8am, I shower, get ready, cook something eat, then get on the road to the office. Once I'm at the office, I'm focused, and I've gotten a ton done in the past 3 days, that I've put off out of laziness over the last few months.

I get off work, and head home, out of addiction/repetition, I go lay down, but I can't sleep, I rest a bit, but sleeping is out. Typically I'll watch a little TV, then get up and either knock out my cardio or head to the gym.

I've been out 2 of the 3 nights, and I haven't drank once. Lots of water at the bar. Really on the Tri-Lean system, I don't care to drink like before. It's strange. I mean I would never consider myself addicted to alcohol, but I was definately a partier.

The lean dreams has made all the difference in the world with my sleep and alertness in the AM. I sleep harder than I have in a long time. I even tried ambien in the past because I knew I slept like crap unless I was drunk. But my ex fiance told me that while on Ambien I'd stop breathing in my sleep, wake myself up and fall back asleep. Probably why I never felt like I was sleeping all that well. Now when I wake up in the morning, I don't want to hit the snooze, I'm ready to get up and get going.

Seriously Aaron, it's a whole different ballgame from the stimulants I've taken in the past.

Hell even on Clen I was jittery, sweaty even when sitting, and lethargic feeling.

I'll admit to some raise in body temp on the Tri-lean, but really it seems like it's only when I'm active a bit. Like today I was rewiring a customer's office, because they had a cable go out that couldn't be tracked down. By the time I was done, I was pretty sweaty. This is in a fully A/C'd server room too.

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That was the one thing I liked about that stuff for the short time I took it, I could actually pay attention in lecture. Its like it cured my ADD. Just to bad I could not deal with it and cardio.
It's a lot like ADD meds, considering they just prescibe legal speed

This is a much milder formula than anything else I've taken.

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I dropped from a "not fat" 219lbs down to 194lbs in two months by eating right and running for 45-60 minutes, 4-5 mornings a week. Strenght dipped a little, but I was back up to repping 315 on the bench in a matter of two weeks after bringing my calories back up. Sounds to me like you are looking for an excuse to be lazy... The only "fat burners" that I know of that will bur fat whil you sit on your ass are either prescription only, or illegal all together. They are called dietary supplements, not exercise instread of's.


Lazy? Motherfucker I am in the gym every fucking day.. How is that lazy?

I would like to get some fat off my lower stomach and face.. .I dont know how to isolate those areas... I am trying to cut up as well....
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Lazy? Motherfucker I am in the gym every fucking day.. How is that lazy?

I would like to get some fat off my lower stomach and face.. .I dont know how to isolate those areas... I am trying to cut up as well....

I'm talking in regards to doing cardio. You're making excuses based in fiction. Unless your diet is perfect 7 days a week, weight training alone is not going to be enough to burn that fat off. Not to mention that you can't spot reduce. You are genetically predisposed to store fat in certain places, and genetics also dictates how it comes off, and from where.

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I'm talking in regards to doing cardio. You're making excuses based in fiction. Unless your diet is perfect 7 days a week, weight training alone is not going to be enough to burn that fat off. Not to mention that you can't spot reduce. You are genetically predisposed to store fat in certain places, and genetics also dictates how it comes off, and from where.

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I do cardio,, not the 30minutes to an hour per day like the other guy suggested.
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I do cardio,, not the 30minutes to an hour per day like the other guy suggested.
If you aren't doing at least 30 minutes of cardio, you're wasting your time.

I'm doing 20 minutes right now, just for the first week or so, to get my body used to the beating 288.5 pounds puts on the knees and ankles. (that's 7 pounds down since monday)

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Seriously Aaron, it's a whole different ballgame from the stimulants I've taken in the past.
I agree completely. I've taken just about every major 'fat burner" in the course of my training tenure, and Venom is the first one the worked without making me amped, or leave me with withdrawals when I stopped taking it. I've actually got a little over a weeks worth at the house from when I took it earlier in the year, which is a first. I used to finish all my ECA for the simple fact that my energy took a nose dive if I wasn't on it. Venom isn't like that. When I mentioned to Greg that I wanted to get some, it wasn't to try it, I want to stock up for another month or two cut.

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I'm talking in regards to doing cardio. You're making excuses based in fiction. Unless your diet is perfect 7 days a week, weight training alone is not going to be enough to burn that fat off.
I'm glad someone understands why I lost 25lbs in the last few months without a bit of cardio.
Then again, I train pretty intensely and eat the same thing over and over each day.
I will probably eventually start up cardio though...maybe!



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I agree completely. I've taken just about every major 'fat burner" in the course of my training tenure, and Venom is the first one the worked without making me amped, or leave me with withdrawals when I stopped taking it. I've actually got a little over a weeks worth at the house from when I took it earlier in the year, which is a first. I used to finish all my ECA for the simple fact that my energy took a nose dive if I wasn't on it. Venom isn't like that. When I mentioned to Greg that I wanted to get some, it wasn't to try it, I want to stock up for another month or two cut.
Cool, I didn't know you had been on it, I thought you were still contemplating it.

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If you aren't doing at least 30 minutes of cardio, you're wasting your time.

I'm doing 20 minutes right now, just for the first week or so, to get my body used to the beating 288.5 pounds puts on the knees and ankles. (that's 7 pounds down since monday)

I'll probably end up doing a solid 30 minutes on lifting days, and 45 on non lifting days.

Again.. Every day, I do more than 30 minutes, not every day though...
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Again.. Every day, I do more than 30 minutes, not every day though...
I'm confused. Maybe im just reading that wrong.

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I'm glad someone understands why I lost 25lbs in the last few months without a bit of cardio.
Then again, I train pretty intensely and eat the same thing over and over each day.
I will probably eventually start up cardio though...maybe!



P.S. - Sure seems like a lot of pill poppers up in hereh!!!

I've lost fat without cardio as well, but the novice simply doesn't have the self control, or knowlege for that matter, to eat that strict, or the base musculature to burn enough calories while weight training. Having been there, at this point I'd rather get up and run i the morning, and not have to stress over a hamburger with friends, or a few drinks on a date.

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Do you have the Tri-Lean System instock? I would like to try either the 90-day pack or a bottle of Venom.
Im suppose to be getting 5 tri-leans kits by UPS today. If i get them i will open them back up for order on the lockout website. 3 of them are already sold though.... Same goes for the small amount of E-Pol that im getting.

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I tell you what, i took (1) this morning and im feeling good. I cant explain it. It's not a wirey, jittery, feeling. I love the way it makes me feel. I'd take one everyday if it didnt make me not eat. Almost like a weak form of an Ecstasy pill for me at least. haha
mmmmm! Thats with Venom right?
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mmmmm! Thats with Venom right?

Yes, Venom Hyperdrive.

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Yes, Venom Hyperdrive.
You gave a sample of Venom with my order, i love the stuff. I'm going to need some after this cycle.
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I'm 5'11" and got up to 220 on a Deca/Dbol cycle, while cutting quite a bit of fat, and finished with some heavy cardio and winny to cut up. I finished at about 207 and continued cardio after everything and am now at 198.

I just ordered a bottle of ALRI Venom Hyperdrive, taking the advice from Grey Horse last week and am looking foward to seeing how cut I can get at the end of that. (I'm getting cut up for my beach wedding in Sept.)

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I'll sign my name by Venom 3.0 and Extreme definition w/ephedra extract. Both work and worked great. No jitters and lots of energy

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i took some pure ephedra and after the insane night sweats, dizzyness, blackouts, and heart aches it was great!

no, seriously never take that shit it was horrible had to pull over on the side of the highway and laydown in the back seat downing a gallon of water! thought i was about to die!! it was the 3rd day!!

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Ok guys, the NEW Venom Hyperdrive is out.
They made it all little stronger and changed the lables as if it needed to be stronger.

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I've been on the Hyperdrive now for 5 days, and lost 4lbs. I know some is water wieght, but I'm eating less and I have a ton of energy. So far, I'm very impressed with this formula. I also like that most sites are on back order. Good sign.

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like i said in the other thread 9.5 pounds in 2 weeks

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Ok guys, the NEW Venom Hyperdrive is out.
They made it all little stronger and changed the lables as if it needed to be stronger.

Man, I need to find some of this. My energy levels have plummeted horribly. The weight is still falling off, but I'm not working out like I want to. I am beginning to see a little definition in my abs, but I still have a ways to go.

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Man, I need to find some of this.

What do mean find some? Look know further i have 25 bottles waiting for you!

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