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How many min/per mile?

I've been trying to shave minutes off of my cardio (treadmill) workout*. I was at 2 miles in 24 minutes. Got that down to 2 miles in 21 minutes last week, and today did 2 miles in 19:45!

Pathetic for a real runner, but for a 50lb overweight asthmatic, I'm pretty proud.

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*I'm warming up for 5 min, running my two miles, then cooling off for 5-10 minutes while keeping the heart rate up, so it's not like I'm trying to do "cardio" in under 20 min total.

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That's probably what I'd run if I hopped out there today.

<---just slightly overweight asthmatic who doesn't work out nearly enough.

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Try mixing in some other cardio and you will improve quicker.
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I've been trying to get back in running, right now I can do 5k in right at 22 minutes (fresh) then I do my workout for the day, then do another 5k at around 24 minutes, unless I've done a lot of legs which I put myself at about 28 minutes so I don't push myself too hard.
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No offense but are you walking? I can walk a mile in 12 mins or a little under.

It takes me 7 mins normally.

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No offense but are you walking? I can walk a mile in 12 mins or a little under.

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No offense but are you walking? I can walk a mile in 12 mins or a little under.
A 10 minute mile is averaging 6mph. No offense to you either, but nobody can walk that fast.

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It takes me 7 mins normally.
And you're asthmatic and 50lbs overweight too?! I didn't know we had so much in common. Well, besides you being a better runner than me, that is.

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A 10 minute mile is averaging 6mph. No offense to you either, but nobody can walk that fast.



And you're asthmatic and 50lbs overweight too?! I didn't know we had so much in common. Well, besides you being a better runner than me, that is.
he can he is a dfwstanger bitch!!! i run two miles in about 6 minutes, but thats only cause i have a 870 credit score.



joking i prob couldnt run a mile in 24 hours, but i can finish a bottle of goose in no time
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I've been trying to shave minutes off of my cardio (treadmill) workout*. I was at 2 miles in 24 minutes. Got that down to 2 miles in 21 minutes last week, and today did 2 miles in 19:45!

Pathetic for a real runner, but for a 50lb overweight asthmatic, I'm pretty proud.

How about y'all?





*I'm warming up for 5 min, running my two miles, then cooling off for 5-10 minutes while keeping the heart rate up, so it's not like I'm trying to do "cardio" in under 20 min total.

Goof job, in oct. 06 i ran a local 5k in 42mins(i was 225lbs). and in oct.07 i ran the same 5k in 28mins. and i am 155lbs. it has taken lots of hard work but it is worth it.
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he can he is a dfwstanger bitch!!! i run two miles in about 6 minutes, but thats only cause i have a 870 credit score.



joking i prob couldnt run a mile in 24 hours, but i can finish a bottle of goose in no time

Hahah, I know she means well, but is obviously out of touch as far as exactly how out of shape the human body can be.

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Goof job, in oct. 06 i ran a local 5k in 42mins(i was 225lbs). and in oct.07 i ran the same 5k in 28mins. and i am 155lbs. it has taken lots of hard work but it is worth it.
Wow! That's impressive. I don't know that I have any aspirations to run a 5k or anything, but who knows, that could change if my times keep improving.

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Hahah, I know she means well, but is obviously out of touch as far as exactly how out of shape the human body can be.



Wow! That's impressive. I don't know that I have any aspirations to run a 5k or anything, but who knows, that could change if my times keep improving.

A 5K is only 3.1 miles, they are lots of fun. and there is always tons of nice looking ass there(im speaking about ladies asses).
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If you want your times to improve start running longer distances at a slower paces.

For 3 miles or under I can keep any where from a 6-7 min mile, depending on how hard I push my self.
Once im over 3 miles really just depend on a lot of things. This week I did a group 6 mile run in about 45 min.

Im also about what most would say 40 pounds over weight, but I have always had great cardio.

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i HATE running. i haven't ran in two years or even done cardio at all in a year while preggo, so i am just getting back to starting up. I can walk a pretty fast mile- but i usually walk a mile at like 4.0mph on a 8.0 incline in like 14-15 minutes. If i remember that right. i haven't ran in forever and am going to slowly add in a minute here and there and build up again. i have asthma too and am severely out of shape plus i dread running.

good job on even doing 2 miles.....hell i am not even there yet with running.

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I need to hit a track and see how fast I can run a mile. I've been running around my neighbor hood and was doing it in 9 minutes when I started and now im just under 8 minutes but I have no clue how far that is.
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A 10 minute mile is averaging 6mph. No offense to you either, but nobody can walk that fast.
Not that anyone could on this board but the records for race walking a 5K are well below 20 minutes.

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If you want your times to improve start running longer distances at a slower paces.

For 3 miles or under I can keep any where from a 6-7 min mile, depending on how hard I push my self.
Once im over 3 miles really just depend on a lot of things. This week I did a group 6 mile run in about 45 min.

Im also about what most would say 40 pounds over weight, but I have always had great cardio.
I disagree.

If you want your times to improve, start running SHORTER distances at INTENSE paces. Look up HIIT, High Intensity Interval Training.

I run my 2 mi. in/around 13:30. To train for them, rarely do I run the full 2 miles. Normally, the most I run in a single attempt is 800m. Take a breather, run another.

Want to kill yourself? Run 1/4 as hard as you can, jog 1/8. Repeat x 4 or more.
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Want to kill yourself? Run 1/4 as hard as you can, jog 1/8. Repeat x 4 or more.
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One of my Captain's favored workouts:

800m sprint
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400m sprint
30 x dumbell swing w/ 35lbs
200m sprint
40 x dumbell squat thrusters w/ 70lbs

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fuck a whole buck of that.

although I would have to assume that'd whip your ass into shape pretty quick.

man, I can feel the jello arms and legs just reading that!

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I disagree.

If you want your times to improve, start running SHORTER distances at INTENSE paces. Look up HIIT, High Intensity Interval Training.

I run my 2 mi. in/around 13:30. To train for them, rarely do I run the full 2 miles. Normally, the most I run in a single attempt is 800m. Take a breather, run another.

Want to kill yourself? Run 1/4 as hard as you can, jog 1/8. Repeat x 4 or more.
Interval training is great, but you don't want to do it all the time IMO. I do intervals about once a week, actually what I just got done doing tonight. Their is no replacement for distance running. The point is you do the distance the speed will come.

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Interval training is great, but you don't want to do it all the time IMO. I do intervals about once a week, actually what I just got done doing tonight. Their is no replacement for distance running. The point is you do the distance the speed will come.
I would still disagree.

HIIT will still get you the cardiovascular and muscular conditioning you need for distance running without the wear and tear of distance running, and it will do it faster. You should be doing a majority of HIIT while running distance only every now and then to practice your form and keep your joints used to the beat down.
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I would still disagree.

HIIT will still get you the cardiovascular and muscular conditioning you need for distance running without the wear and tear of distance running, and it will do it faster. You should be doing a majority of HIIT while running distance only every now and then to practice your form and keep your joints used to the beat down.
Well I guess will just agree to disagree. All I know is what I do works great for me, im injury free and can run just as fast and far as people half my size.

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One of my Captain's favored workouts:

800m sprint
20 x dumbell squats w/ 70lbs
400m sprint
30 x dumbell swing w/ 35lbs
200m sprint
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I can feel my legs getting numb just reading that, fuck.

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Well I guess will just agree to disagree. All I know is what I do works great for me, im injury free and can run just as fast and far as people half my size.
That's what's important.
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I would still disagree.

HIIT will still get you the cardiovascular and muscular conditioning you need for distance running without the wear and tear of distance running, and it will do it faster. You should be doing a majority of HIIT while running distance only every now and then to practice your form and keep your joints used to the beat down.
Running requires endurance, stamina (high end of endurance), speed and economy.

Short intervals (basically HITT) will help with the speed and indirectly help with stamina but will do nothing for endurance. If properly performed will help with economy.

Stamina is best help with submaximal effort over a longer period, like 440s and 880s. Your pace should be constant (your first 110 should equal your last 110.) For anything 5K or shorter 440s are fine.

I guess maybe my definition of distance running is different than your definition of distance running. My definition of distance running starts at 10k although, technically, I believe distance running begins at 5K.

Properly done intervals shouldn't be done by a beginner or intermediate more than once per week. Advanced distance runners won't do more than 2 times a week.

Also, if you are turning over 180 steps per minute, learn to do that. You may actually slow down initially but over time your times will improve without doing anything else.

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iam 225 i did 3 miles in 23:26 but ive been falling away from running and ive been hiting tha weights. i havent ran a race since december
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Running requires endurance, stamina (high end of endurance), speed and economy.

Short intervals (basically HITT) will help with the speed and indirectly help with stamina but will do nothing for endurance. If properly performed will help with economy.

Stamina is best help with submaximal effort over a longer period, like 440s and 880s. Your pace should be constant (your first 110 should equal your last 110.) For anything 5K or shorter 440s are fine.

I guess maybe my definition of distance running is different than your definition of distance running. My definition of distance running starts at 10k although, technically, I believe distance running begins at 5K.

Properly done intervals shouldn't be done by a beginner or intermediate more than once per week. Advanced distance runners won't do more than 2 times a week.

Also, if you are turning over 180 steps per minute, learn to do that. You may actually slow down initially but over time your times will improve without doing anything else.
That is the traditional way of thought. However, we are seeing that IT offers the same conditioning levels (increased citrase, vo2 max, mitochondria, and oxygen efficiency), larger strength benefits, with a lessened risk of injury. Further, you retain more fast twitch muscle to keep you from the ultra-skinny marathon runner look.

The problem: motivation. Most people simply can't push themselves hard enough to do proper HIIT.

It also evidences a more efficient way of losing fat:
http://www.exrx.net/FatLoss/HIITvsET.html
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I've been trying to shave minutes off of my cardio (treadmill) workout*. I was at 2 miles in 24 minutes. Got that down to 2 miles in 21 minutes last week, and today did 2 miles in 19:45!

Pathetic for a real runner, but for a 50lb overweight asthmatic, I'm pretty proud.

How about y'all?





*I'm warming up for 5 min, running my two miles, then cooling off for 5-10 minutes while keeping the heart rate up, so it's not like I'm trying to do "cardio" in under 20 min total.

That sounds about what I do too - I wouldn't say I'm asthmatic but I do have the lung capacity of a small child
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That is the traditional way of thought. However, we are seeing that IT offers the same conditioning levels (increased citrase, vo2 max, mitochondria, and oxygen efficiency), larger strength benefits, with a lessened risk of injury. Further, you retain more fast twitch muscle to keep you from the ultra-skinny marathon runner look.

The problem: motivation. Most people simply can't push themselves hard enough to do proper HIIT.

It also evidences a more efficient way of losing fat:
http://www.exrx.net/FatLoss/HIITvsET.html
When I see the 10K athletes going strictly hit... or for that matter... Alan Webb (American record in the mile)... I'll take a look at it.

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I've been trying to shave minutes off of my cardio (treadmill) workout*. I was at 2 miles in 24 minutes. Got that down to 2 miles in 21 minutes last week, and today did 2 miles in 19:45!

Pathetic for a real runner, but for a 50lb overweight asthmatic, I'm pretty proud.

How about y'all?





*I'm warming up for 5 min, running my two miles, then cooling off for 5-10 minutes while keeping the heart rate up, so it's not like I'm trying to do "cardio" in under 20 min total.
thats pretty fucking good.. im averaging 2.5 to 3.5 mph for my cardio but at 330lbs im not readdy to unleash an ass pounding on my knees by running.. also at that pace my heart rate is well elivated enough to burn fat.

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When I see the 10K athletes going strictly hit... or for that matter... Alan Webb (American record in the mile)... I'll take a look at it.

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Competitive distance running is a little different context here, doncha think?

A large reason they don't want HIIT is because it actually builds muscle mass. Too much muscle on a distance runner and it will slow him down. But that's not what the OP or many ppl (if any) in this competition are going for. The only way to acheive the emaciated build of a distance runner is to stay away from things like SIT/HIIT that will build type 2 muscle fibers.

The goal of these threads is not to be a competitive distance runner, but for the most part to burn calories and build muscle. Both of which IT has shown to be more effective at. Sure, those runners can beat the hell out of us in a 10k. But give them 10lbs to carry and they keel over.
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Competitive distance running is a little different context here, doncha think?

A large reason they don't want HIIT is because it actually builds muscle mass. Too much muscle on a distance runner and it will slow him down. But that's not what the OP or many ppl (if any) in this competition are going for. The only way to acheive the emaciated build of a distance runner is to stay away from things like SIT/HIIT that will build type 2 muscle fibers.

Sure, they can beat the hell out of us in a 10k. But give them 10lbs to carry and they keel over.
Why is it any different? You were the one making the comments you receive the same (if not more) benefit. Now you are backtracking.

Fact of the matter is if you want to maximize your potential at 5K or above, HITT isn't gonna do it. Daniel's will.

Stop changing the context and talking out of your ass. HITT will not increase oxygen efficiency as much as following something like Daniel's and definetly won't touch the increase in VO2 max. LOL... lets tell Lance Armstrong he could have done what he did doing 20 minutes of HITT a day.

HITT has its place in distance running... a small piece. It's called intervals and every distance runner does them.

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However, we are seeing that IT offers the same conditioning levels (increased citrase, vo2 max, mitochondria, and oxygen efficiency), larger strength benefits, with a lessened risk of injury

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Why is it any different? You were the one making the comments you receive the same (if not more) benefit. Now you are backtracking.

Fact of the matter is if you want to maximize your potential at 5K or above, HITT isn't gonna do it. Daniel's will.

Stop changing the context and talking out of your ass. HITT will not increase oxygen efficiency as much as following something like Daniel's and definetly won't touch the increase in VO2 max. LOL... lets tell Lance Armstrong he could have done what he did doing 20 minutes of HITT a day.

HITT has its place in distance running... a small piece. It's called intervals and every distance runner does them.
Context has always been the same, you were the one that wanted to bring in competitive running. But you can't seem to deviate from that, and I already told you why it was different. It's an irrational discussion to compare what's best for Lance Armstrong to what's best for JoeSchmo.

As far as vo2 max, I guess you and the research just have to agree to disagree.
Here's another article about it (sorry, I can't give you access to the actual journal articles...so I have to give the Google equivalent): http://www.vibrantfitness.com/romstudies.html
Repeat: http://www.hiitsource.com/high-inten...ining-studies/
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Context has always been the same, you were the one that wanted to bring in competitive running. But you can't seem to deviate from that, and I already told you why it was different. It's an irrational discussion to compare what's best for Lance Armstrong to what's best for JoeSchmo.

As far as vo2 max, I guess you and the research just have to agree to disagree.
Here's another article about it (sorry, I can't give you access to the actual journal articles...so I have to give the Google equivalent): http://www.vibrantfitness.com/romstudies.html

I guess real world examples and me > Exlude and paper

Get out of the research lab a few days a week and actually do something.

Here is an emanciated periodization/daniel's type athlete. Fucking skinny little bitch (has 100 mile running workouts)



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Not that anyone could on this board but the records for race walking a 5K are well below 20 minutes.

No shit? That's nuckin' futs. I can't imagine keeping up that kind of pace without running.

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No shit? That's nuckin' futs. I can't imagine keeping up that kind of pace without running.
In racewalking, the "technique" required is one foot must stay on the ground at all times (if both are in the air at anytime that is considered running.) It makes for some funny looking techniques. More of a fast waddle than a walk.

I looked up the USATF records... World Record for women's 10K is 6 minute, 45 seconds average over the distance (6.2 miles).

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I guess real world examples and me > Exlude and paper

Get out of the research lab a few days a week and actually do something.

Here is an emanciated periodization/daniel's type athlete. Fucking skinny little bitch (has 100 mile running workouts)



Oes noes, look at this skinny little bitch! 10 hour Ironmans:
Unfortunately for you, your real world examples mean little at hand. Never did I say that any type of ET, including Daniel's, was ineffective or didn't work. Just that there is a more effective method. No one's saying you can't do great things with ET.

Lmfao @ "actually do something". You sure are taking this personally. Don't.
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Unfortunately for you, your real world examples mean little at hand. Never did I say that any type of ET, including Daniel's, was ineffective or didn't work. Just that there is a more effective method. No one's saying you can't do great things with ET.

Lmfao @ "actually do something". You sure are taking this personally. Don't.
Exlude, I take nothing personal on this site.

What is funny is all the HIT people thinking this is new. This shit started back in the 70s with Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame (see many of those facilities around these days?). It didn't work then and eventually people will drop it once again. HIT and Nautilus took off in the 70s because of the mantra of "you can do less and gain more benefit." Plays right to the American psyche of "I want it all but I don't want to work for it."

But, stick around the lab and read the studies... it ain't my time you are wasting.

What does matter is there are newbs on the board who will take you for your word and you really don't know what you are fucking talking about.

Don't LMAO at doing something. You ain't doing shit but babbling bullshit on a keyboard.

For every 1 study you give me that shows the benefit of HIT I'll give you 10 that show a differing opinion. Let me know when you want to play.

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Unfortunately for you, your real world examples mean little at hand. Never did I say that any type of ET, including Daniel's, was ineffective or didn't work. Just that there is a more effective method. No one's saying you can't do great things with ET.

Lmfao @ "actually do something". You sure are taking this personally. Don't.
Also, you did tell me how it does produce emanciated looking people. I gave you two example (including me) to show you that you are fucking clueless.

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Exlude, I take nothing personal on this site.

What is funny is all the HIT people thinking this is new. This shit started back in the 70s with Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame (see many of those facilities around these days?). It didn't work then and eventually people will drop it once again. HIT and Nautilus took off in the 70s because of the mantra of "you can do less and gain more benefit." Plays right to the American psyche of "I want it all but I don't want to work for it."

But, stick around the lab and read the studies... it ain't my time you are wasting.

What does matter is there are newbs on the board who will take you for your word and you really don't know what you are fucking talking about.

Don't LMAO at doing something. You ain't doing shit but babbling bullshit on a keyboard.

For every 1 study you give me that shows the benefit of HIT I'll give you 10 that show a differing opinion. Let me know when you want to play.
I know it's been around for along while, but the methods for analysis havn't. Thus it's resurgence. But go ahead, thus far you havn't showed a single study that argues against me and I truly am curious. So, shoot.

I'm lmao at you because you really have no clue what I do. For recreation, for sport, for a living. Is this a trend in your argument? Perhaps. Now for those studies...

And I apologize for hurting your feelings. My emaciated talk was mostly toward marathon competitors, the type 1 fiber purists, as the extreme.

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As a 50 year old with severe emphysema, I started cardio in late November and could barely do 2.0 mph w/zero incline without my heartrate >150. I do cardio 5 days a week, usually 15 minutes on the bike warm-up at 144 HR, and 15 minutes at the end at 144 HR. Twice a week when I'm not with my trainer, I'm working pulse cardio on the treadmill, normal pace at 3.5 mhp, zero incline, normal walking gets a 130'ish HR. Pulse jogging at 4.5 mhp until I reach 150 HR, then slow back down again until the HR lowers to 130'ish. I'm up to about five cycles of this in 15 minutes. Last August I had 20% lung capacity of a man my age/physique. Three weeks ago, it had increased to almot 30% capacity and growing. It's all good as long as we're doing something to help. Have fun.
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I know it's been around for along while, but the methods for analysis havn't. Thus it's resurgence. But go ahead, thus far you havn't showed a single study that argues against me and I truly am curious. So, shoot.

I'm lmao at you because you really have no clue what I do. For recreation, for sport, for a living. Is this a trend in your argument? Perhaps. Now for those studies...

And I apologize for hurting your feelings. My emaciated talk was mostly toward marathon competitors, the type 1 fiber purists, as the extreme.
Dude, seriously, you haven't hurt my feeling one bit.

When you think you can bench more than me, run a 40 faster than me, run a 440 faster than me, or ride a bike faster than me (any distance)... PM me, I have 1K that say you are full of shit.

I won't even talk about swimming because I know your ass will be at the bottom of the pool or lake.

Pick it lab boy. I'll even fly to Austin for your little ass on my dollar.

LMAO. HIT BABY! I bet you are also voting for Obama you fucking tool. It's all the rage people! HIT BABY!

Oh and btw, exlude, I posted my emanciated little dweeb fucking picture where the fuck is your fat ass I'm a HIT fanatic picture, pussy?

I don't give a shit what you do for a living because, well, you HAVEN'T DONE SHIT FOR A LIVING YOU FUCKING TOOL. Like I said you are a little lab rat that loves to deal with lab shit and doesn't live in the real world, like the rest of the tools that sit on campus at UT.

Here, I'll do it for you again... Here is a pic of me at 43. Where is the fucking pic of you in your 20s fat ass? Now, if I really want to fuck with your ass I'll post of pic of me while I was in college at 30lbs heavier when I didn't long distance but played football in college. And I got two fucking rings to prove it. I'll wear them when we meet.


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PonyFever, keep it up. My mom, at 73, has CPOD and she started a regime of aerobic type exercise (not HIT, like the fag, Exlude) after years of non-exercise. Her doctor (Denton Coley, exlude) has told her she'll eventually die, but it ain't gonna be because her lungs gave up. Keep the faith.

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LMAO. I'm sorry exlude. You aren't a fat ass... you are... well nothing. Give me some more pointers. Holy shit. Shave that shit under your arms. Sorry, exlude, you are one of those emanciated dudes you are talking about. I hope that ain't HIT working for you. Come talk to me after your "transformation."


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Lmao, holy shit!

Yeah, I know I'm not in the greatest shape. And I can definetely perform better than how I look (my diet is consistently bad). But, unfortunately, that doesn't argue against my point. You can attack me all you want, I really don't care...it just weakens your argument.

Now, please, all those studies you promised me...I'm earnestly curious.

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PonyFever, keep it up. My mom, at 73, has CPOD and she started a regime of aerobic type exercise (not HIT, like the fag, Exlude) after years of non-exercise. Her doctor (Denton Coley, exlude) has told her she'll eventually die, but it ain't gonna be because her lungs gave up. Keep the faith.
Thanks for the encouragement and props to your mom for being a good example.
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