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Lipo 6 vs hydroxycut

On my vacation this weekend me and my girl were with two other couples, both of whom workout and swear by one of these products. They were going back and forth about which works better and was just curious as to which one DFWStangs pumpin' iron section likes and why.

and yes I'm bored.
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On my vacation this weekend me and my girl were with two other couples, both of whom workout and swear by one of these products. They were going back and forth about which works better and was just curious as to which one DFWStangs pumpin' iron section likes and why.

and yes I'm bored.

You're asking out of boredom or you're asking because you and your girlfriend are considering one or the other ??
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The last time I took Hydroxycut was back when it still had ephedra in it, so I can't speak for the stuff out now. I'm taking Lipo-6 right now, and it seems to be fairly effective, though I do miss the ephedra.

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You're asking out of boredom or you're asking because you and your girlfriend are considering one or the other ??
I am bored at work and we did think about it but it may not be worth the time and money for all I know.
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Nate if you want something effective for u and your girl to tryout try Meth it works wonders hahaha
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I am bored at work and we did think about it but it may not be worth the time and money for all I know.

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On a serious note I didnt like Hydroxycut when they cut ephedra
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Metabolic enhancers are only as good as the diet you follow while taking them.
I am aware of that.
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The last time I took Hydroxycut was back when it still had ephedra in it, so I can't speak for the stuff out now. I'm taking Lipo-6 right now, and it seems to be fairly effective, though I do miss the ephedra.

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I am bored at work and we did think about it but it may not be worth the time and money for all I know.

Personally, like the Raven said...

I dont care for Hydroxycut now because of the lack of ephedra. Ive taken all sorts of diet pills that dont have ephedra in them and none of them do anything for me. Ive never taken the Lipo's before but IMO, Hydroxycut without ephedra isnt worth the money.
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Are there any diet supplements with ephedra still in them? I don't want them just curious. I never followed all the news stories about ephedra at all.
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nate i lost almost 30lbs on lipo, i switched after i ran out and never had much weight loss after that, i think its time i go back to it...




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nate i lost almost 30lbs on lipo, i switched after i ran out and never had much weight loss after that, i think its time i go back to it...
What all did you do to your diet and what kind of cardio did you do?

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i changed my diet alot, mainly started eating more grilled chicken everywhere i went, and ate about 5-6 small meals a day and never ate after 7pm... i did about an hour of cardio at least 3-4 times a week, and some slight lifting, didnt want to disrupt my golf swing by bulking up...




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i changed my diet alot, mainly started eating more grilled chicken everywhere i went, and ate about 5-6 small meals a day and never ate after 7pm... i did about an hour of cardio at least 3-4 times a week, and some slight lifting, didnt want to disrupt my golf swing by bulking up...
Man I haven't played golf in a while...
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Are there any diet supplements with ephedra still in them? I don't want them just curious. I never followed all the news stories about ephedra at all.
There are at some whole foods stores. You are allowed to sale pills with ephedra as long as you pay out the ass in the insurance that you have to provide. I got some Lipodrene (sp) little yellow pills ahaha in A whole foods store in Frisco.

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i work 60 plus hours a week, and all i look forward to is playing golf on the weekends...
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i have some of the last batches of hydroxycut with ephedra and the first time i took it i went from 187 to 168ish. now im at around 171 give or take
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159 to 144.5 in just over 5 weeks.

Currently sitting at 148 with some baggage to lose. I am in a maintenence mode, and will be until the end of September. Then I will try to cut off about 6 pounds of fat and make 9% BF


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159 to 144.5 in just over 5 weeks.

Currently sitting at 148 with some baggage to lose. I am in a maintenence mode, and will be until the end of September. Then I will try to cut off about 6 pounds of fat and make 9% BF



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Eating right, cardio 6 times a week, weightlifting. No hydroxylipoepedrapburners!

for comparison's sake, here's a pic from July 30th. I was 146 lbs and I have lost another inch off my waist since this photo... and gone up a pound or two.


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159 to 144.5 in just over 5 weeks.

Currently sitting at 148 with some baggage to lose. I am in a maintenence mode, and will be until the end of September. Then I will try to cut off about 6 pounds of fat and make 9% BF


You look like your about to strangle a 10 year old boy...

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You look good bro. I'd fuck ya if I was a chick.
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Lipo didn't work for me, I have had good success with hydroxycut so far!
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You can buy ephedra at most little stores these days. FDA says it can not be marketed as a dietry supplement, so they call it a broncullator. If you really want to burn some fat go with a Clen/T3 cocktail. Plus the Clen/T3 has great anticanibolic properties on top. Shit it gets no better than that, unless you like the shit they use to tan leather. With that shit , you can lose like 5lbs a day or something crazy like that. No matter what diet is the biggest key to seeing real results. Good luck!
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I liked Hydroxy before the ephedra ban...Lipo made me feel very fatigued and I was not a fan of that. I miss the old ECA Stack

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I liked Hydroxy before the ephedra ban...Lipo made me feel very fatigued and I was not a fan of that. I miss the old ECA Stack

The problem with the ephedrine that I found was that it is so much of an appetite suppressant. It keeps you from eating bad stuff maybe, but also makes you not want to eat at all.

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You can buy ephedra at most little stores these days. FDA says it can not be marketed as a dietry supplement, so they call it a broncullator. If you really want to burn some fat go with a Clen/T3 cocktail. Plus the Clen/T3 has great anticanibolic properties on top. Shit it gets no better than that, unless you like the shit they use to tan leather. With that shit , you can lose like 5lbs a day or something crazy like that. No matter what diet is the biggest key to seeing real results. Good luck!
Clen has anticatabolic properties, but T3 is highly catabolic. If preserving strength and lean mass is at all a concern, I wouldn't recommend taking T3 without some sort of anabolic to counteract it. If all you care about is losing weight though, clen/T3 will definitely get it done.

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I have taken clen before and lost 15lbs. real quick. A friend helped me out. Where can you get this stuff now?
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I have taken clen before and lost 15lbs. real quick. A friend helped me out. Where can you get this stuff now?

It a prescription asthma medication, you won't find it at GNC.

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HMM.. Are we talking this Clen..??
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Think "research chemical". It is extremely easy to get, but i would stay away from it.

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Clen is no longer a legal prescription...maybe in Mexico! lol
Spiropent or Novogam are really good manufacturers of clen.
T3 can be taken at low doses at 12.5-25mcg qd and will aide in protein synthesis along with burning excess calories....and at that dose its not enough to burn muscle.

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I got it even better, I used to work at a compounding pharmacy and they made it for me there I get it filled whenever I want it

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Hmm, I've heard of insulin manipulation for guys looking to grow, but not to diet. That seems a bit extreme, when diet and cardio works fine for someone disciplined enough to monitor their insulin levels.

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