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Talking Got my "cheater" shirt for bench.

Went out to House of Pain today and got sized up for my first bench shirt.
He said since im more of a shoulder lifter and a beginner i should go with the "Rage" shirt.

I bought the little slider sleeves to help get it on. Im going to look a little funny at LA Fitness tonight.

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Cheater!! Post up your gains on it.

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Please post up. I have not lost anything weight at all. I have been running like crazy. I am just getting more firm.


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Please post up. I have not lost anything weight at all. I have been running like crazy. I am just getting more firm.

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trash bags are good shirt and suit slippers too . Did they teach you how to put it on?
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Then you're adding mass to your legs, and maybe your diet needs to be cleaned up a little more.

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Please post up. I have not lost anything weight at all. I have been running like crazy. I am just getting more firm.
You will stall a little while starting up running. Eventually your legs will adjust, your running will become more efficient and you'll start losing weight.

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trash bags are good shirt and suit slippers too . Did they teach you how to put it on?

No, i dont know what im doing.

My workout partner didnt show up today. So here i am with my g/f trying to get this damn thing on in the middle of LA Fitness. She couldnt push the sleeves up my arms far enough. The damn thing was VERY tight. My arms fell asleep fast. I dont think i had it all the way on. There was a gap between the shirt and my chest.
I tried 275lbs just to see what i felt like. I couldnt get the bar aware near my chest. I was at least 6 inches away. I have those marks all over the back of my arms and the bottom of my bicep in front and didnt even go all the way down with only 275.

I need some help with it thats for sure.

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LOL @ me picturing you fucking with this shirt in the gym.

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No, i dont know what im doing.

My workout partner didnt show up today. So here i am with my g/f trying to get this damn thing on in the middle of LA Fitness. She couldnt push the sleeves up my arms far enough. The damn thing was VERY tight. My arms fell asleep fast. I dont think i had it all the way on. There was a gap between the shirt and my chest.
I tried 275lbs just to see what i felt like. I couldnt get the bar aware near my chest. I was at least 6 inches away. I have those marks all over the back of my arms and the bottom of my bicep in front and didnt even go all the way down with only 275.

I need some help with it thats for sure.
sounds like it fits good

I'm not the best at describing things but I'll try to do this. First turn the shirt inside out, sleeves included. Get the sleeves pulled up just above the elbow (backwards of course, so when you pull the shirt over your head it will be facing the right way) and then hold your arms above your head while your partner pulls the shirt down and you "swim" into it. The ends of the sleeves are probably curled under, so have them dig those out. Then get your partner behind you. Raise your arm straight up so there is a fold of material to grab on top of your shoulder, have them grab it, then pull your arm forward like you are fighting to get away from them. This will get the shoulders back. Then have them stand in front of you. Cross your arms and lean forward and have them jack the front of the shirt as far down on your chest as they can. Then lean back, fighting against them, to get the shirt even further down. Before you bench, do this again, but put a belt on to hold the shirt in place.

The idea is to get the chest plate as low as possible while still covering your armpit crease (by apf rules). Getting the chest plate low will allow you to bring the bar down lower on your belly, decreasing the range of motion. If this didn't make any sense then I can wiggle into my shirt and take a couple pics that will clear everything I've said up.
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sounds like it fits good

I'm not the best at describing things but I'll try to do this. First turn the shirt inside out, sleeves included. Get the sleeves pulled up just above the elbow (backwards of course, so when you pull the shirt over your head it will be facing the right way) and then hold your arms above your head while your partner pulls the shirt down and you "swim" into it. The ends of the sleeves are probably curled under, so have them dig those out. Then get your partner behind you. Raise your arm straight up so there is a fold of material to grab on top of your shoulder, have them grab it, then pull your arm forward like you are fighting to get away from them. This will get the shoulders back. Then have them stand in front of you. Cross your arms and lean forward and have them jack the front of the shirt as far down on your chest as they can. Then lean back, fighting against them, to get the shirt even further down. Before you bench, do this again, but put a belt on to hold the shirt in place.

The idea is to get the chest plate as low as possible while still covering your armpit crease (by apf rules). Getting the chest plate low will allow you to bring the bar down lower on your belly, decreasing the range of motion. If this didn't make any sense then I can wiggle into my shirt and take a couple pics that will clear everything I've said up.

I have to see this. I'm going to go to Youtube, because this sounds pretty funny.

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Watch the part after the lift. LOL

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I tried 275lbs just to see what i felt like. I couldnt get the bar aware near my chest. I was at least 6 inches away.
As far as this goes, with lighter weight you have to work your way out of the groove of the shirt to get it to touch. So when it stops coming down, start pulling it down with your lats as you move the bar farther down your stomach. As you come out of the groove it will move closer towards you.
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so the shirt helps so much thatyou cant even FORCE 275 to touch your chest???
i never really lifted heavy at sub 200. but i know at 210 i ORM 405.. and 245 ORM 485.. i wonder what i could have done back then in a shirt.

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As far as this goes, with lighter weight you have to work your way out of the groove of the shirt to get it to touch. So when it stops coming down, start pulling it down with your lats as you move the bar farther down your stomach. As you come out of the groove it will move closer towards you.

I just hope the damn shirt isnt too small. Im going to let my arms heal up and try again in a couple days. Maybe i'll throw 350 on there and see how bad it hurts.

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so the shirt helps so much thatyou cant even FORCE 275 to touch your chest???
i never really lifted heavy at sub 200. but i know at 210 i ORM 405.. and 245 ORM 485.. i wonder what i could have done back then in a shirt.

I couldnt force it down even close.

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Sounds like the shirt might be good for a tricep/back workout
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I just hope the damn shirt isnt too small. Im going to let my arms heal up and try again in a couple days. Maybe i'll throw 350 on there and see how bad it hurts.
The only time a shirt is too small is if it takes more weight to touch than you can press. Everything you've mentioned, circulation in your arms cut off, the sleeves biting you, is all normal. You need to get the chest plate on your chest though so the sleeves have to come back farther or you've got to pull the shirt lower.
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you couldn't be more right. Those are the two most important muscle groups to a shirted bench.
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here's a few pics that go along with my shitty instructions. it's a little different because the back of mine is cut but whatever.

that's about as high as you want to get the sleeves up before you pull the shirt over your head. (you can see the crease of my elbow, it's about an inch higher.) Also do a duckbill with your hand like that, it will help get the sleeve over your forearm. I'm not sure where the stitching is on the Rage, but the F6 is "stitches down" so make sure you line up the stitches on your arm as you pull the sleeve on. after it's on it's not going to rotate without taking the shirt off.

that's to show how high you need the sleeves. Your elbow can't be covered, but you want to keep it as low as possible on your arm so you can bring the chest plate down.

the flash fucked this all up but I was getting a picture of how low you want the neckline. You won't be able to get it that low with a closed back, but if you cut the back you're not going to get a warranty so it's up to you. Bringing the neckline way down moves the chest plate right under your pecs, so when you bench the bar travels to the top of your belly. If you are still benching with a flat back, start learning to arch with your feet underneath you, as this will decrease the range of motion, allow you to use more leg drive, and also tilt the sleeves on the shirt upward, so you'll get more carryover.
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They never allowed shirts of that magnitude in highschool. I always wanted to try one though. I could always touch my chest with much less than 200. And my powerlifting press was never as much as my raw ORM. You have so many elements to consider. Keep in mind there will be a pause that will negate alot of the gains you receive from a shirt. Well im my case it did.


For putting it on...It's easier to just roll it up like a rubber, then "swim" through the sleeves. It gets really simple once you're use to it.
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For putting it on...It's easier to just roll it up like a rubber, then "swim" through the sleeves. It gets really simple once you're use to it.
lemme guess you wore a blast shirt?
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That seems like way to much work, sounds like you would use all your energy getting the damn thing on.

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That seems like way to much work, sounds like you would use all your energy getting the damn thing on.

It is too much work and it's stupid but hell, i want to be competitive and everyone else uses the damn things.

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so the shirt helps so much thatyou cant even FORCE 275 to touch your chest???
i never really lifted heavy at sub 200. but i know at 210 i ORM 405.. and 245 ORM 485.. i wonder what i could have done back then in a shirt.


post a vid, of this 485.
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post a vid, of this 485.

lol, he has video of 505.

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lol, he has video of 505.

Then I'll have to post mine of 535.
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Then I'll have to post mine of 535.
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Then I'll have to post mine of 535.
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Well? lets see it...

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Well? lets see it...
greg.. he cant find it.. all he can find is the one of him repping 795 15 times. he doesnt want to post it though.. might scare off the locals

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I can not even imagine getting over 500 up. I have done a few 325 sets, and damn thats a shit ton of weight. My hats of to you guys.

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lemme guess you wore a blast shirt?

I may take my shit back for a blast.

I must be going something wrong. My chest measures 42" my shirt is a 44.
I put 365lbs on and still couldnt get anywhere near my chest. I thought my arms were going to rip off. Now i have the huge bruses on the sides of my pecks/underarms and triceps.
I cant be putting this thing on right or it's just too damn small.

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I may take my shit back for a blast.

I must be going something wrong. My chest measures 42" my shirt is a 44.
I put 365lbs on and still couldnt get anywhere near my chest. I thought my arms were going to rip off. Now i have the huge bruses on the sides of my pecks/underarms and triceps.
I cant be putting this thing on right or it's just too damn small.
since you power lift alot more then me i assume you know what you are doing.. are you doing the whole elbows in belly up PL bench? or trying to push it BB syle?

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since you power lift alot more then me i assume you know what you are doing.. are you doing the whole elbows in belly up PL bench? or trying to push it BB syle?
what he said. I'm going to be in Houston this weekend for a meet but I'd be willing to meet you sometime and see if we can't get the shirt figured out.

and fwiw, obviously I haven't seen you in the shirt but a 44 should fit.
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Special Delivery for 10 sec 302... STILL WAITING on his vids.

150lbs dumbells...
Light set of 405lbs
505 (first rep was cut off)
Rowing 8 plates.

your turn to post up Hulk.

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them the fake weights that they use for bodybuilding mags
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them the fake weights that they use for bodybuilding mags
Dude. i TOLD you not to tell anyone.. yes. those aren't really 45s.. they are 5 lbs plates that are really large!!!
my secret is out

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ya i have a rage x it put 40 lbs on my bench
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since you power lift alot more then me i assume you know what you are doing.. are you doing the whole elbows in belly up PL bench? or trying to push it BB syle?

Im more of a shoulder lifter like BB stile. I have been working on my arch and leg placement like power lifters though. The guy said the Rage shirt that i bought was good for a shoulder lifter.
I need to change something that's for sure.

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where on your chest would you say you are bringing the bar down?
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Special Delivery for 10 sec 302... STILL WAITING on his vids.

150lbs dumbells...
Light set of 405lbs
505 (first rep was cut off)
Rowing 8 plates.

your turn to post up Hulk.
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Special Delivery for 10 sec 302... STILL WAITING on his vids.

150lbs dumbells...
Light set of 405lbs
505 (first rep was cut off)
Rowing 8 plates.

your turn to post up Hulk.


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where on your chest would you say you are bringing the bar down?

I've tried high and low with no luck.
The shirt does seem high though. The collier comes up close to my neck.

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We're still waiting on that video 10sec302, you talked the talk, now walk the walk.

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post #50 of 89 (permalink) Old 03-26-2007, 07:39 PM
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We're still waiting on that video 10sec302, you talked the talk, now walk the walk.
I hope he posts it soon.. so i can see what repping 535 looks like.

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